Paulinho

[Blake Griffin]

So your going to tell me all about how good Lamela was in Italy right? I thought Paulinho was good in Brazil, hence why I think they BOTH deserve more time.

no, i hadn't really watched lamela previously to spurs. there is no double standards with regards to paulinho and lamela - one played and disappointed whilst one didn't play full stop.

 

[parklane1]

2nd out of 7 my friend, I see actually playing matches as a big part of being a successful signing LOL.

My thoughts as well, if Paulie is shit what does that make the five who played less then him, be careful what you start.

 

[Blake Griffin]

As as i said i like Holtby and thought sending him out on loan was a wrong move, but if we are going to leave Paulie out we would need to find someone to score the same amount of goals, as of yet Holtby has not shown he can do that.

you know that just sticking in the highest scoring players in each position doesn't mean the team as a whole will now score more goals right? paulinho may outscore holtby directly but that doesn't necessarily equal more goals and points for spurs.

 

[DaSpurs]

you know that just sticking in the highest scoring players in each position doesn't mean the team as a whole will now score more goals right? paulinho may outscore holtby directly but that doesn't necessarily equal more goals and points for spurs.

Precisely. Otherwise, we would just buy nothing but strikers.

 

[Blake Griffin]

it's a toss up between paulinho and soldado as worst signing of the 7. they may have contributed more than a couple of the others last season by virtue of actually playing but as signings they're still the worst - especially when the money we paid is considered.

 

[parklane1]

you know that just sticking in the highest scoring players in each position doesn't mean the team as a whole will now score more goals right? paulinho may outscore holtby directly but that doesn't necessarily equal more goals and points for spurs.

Never said it did, but we need a player who will score goals from the midfield, at the moment Paulie is the one that has done that.

 

[DaSpurs]

it's a toss up between paulinho and soldado as worst signing of the 7. they may have contributed more than a couple of the others last season by virtue of actually playing but as signings they're still the worst - especially when the money we paid is considered.

I'm with you for the most part, but I can't agree that Paulinho is one of our worst signings even under consideration of the money paid (I theme I frequently discuss in regard to the player). He along with Eriksen were the only two to make it to 30 games, and admittedly there is a reason for that.

 

[DaSpurs]

Never said it did, but we need a player who will score goals from the midfield, at the moment Paulie is the one that has done that.

Why? If those six league goals are provided by the forward players as a result of play of the midfielder from assists and key passes, why does it matter who they came from? Is it a coincidence our wingers scored so few goals this past season while we played so many horizontal passes in midfield and averaged one throughball a game? I think not.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I'm with you for the most part, but I can't agree that Paulinho is one of our worst signings even under consideration of the money paid (I theme I frequently discuss in regard to the player). He along with Eriksen were the only two to make it to 30 games, and admittedly there is a reason for that.

what's the reason? the players he was competing against were often injured? capoue, sandro and dembele all spent large parts of the season in the treatment room. eriksen, lamela and chiriches are the three real talents of the seven signings, chadli and capoue are pretty bland, whilst the other two were horribly overpriced and offered very little on the whole. at least soldado made an effort though.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I'm aware of the total number of our signings, but he's the only one of two who made it to 30 games as I said. And I agree, it's this very fact he made it to 30 games that does indeed incline me to agree with you that he was undoubtedly our "2nd most successful signing." But thus my point, is it really that impressive being 2nd best of seven when the five behind him in that ranking didn't even see 30 games in the league for us, especially considering we both agree that playing the matches is indication of success?

I dont think its mega impressive, but it furthers his case for another season. That will be Poch's decision to make so we'll see what happens.....

 

[DaSpurs]

what's the reason? the players he was competing against were often injured? capoue, sandro and dembele all spent large parts of the season in the treatment room. eriksen, lamela and chiriches are the three real talents of the seven signings, chadli and capoue are pretty bland, whilst the other two were horribly overpriced and offered very little on the whole. at least soldado made an effort though.

Whether they were injured, benched, or simply not chosen is irrelevant if they weren't playing. It cannot mathematically be argued Lamela was a more successful signing considering he played all of nine games for us last season, and scored one goal in the Europa and put in one assist in the Prem. An exciting signing, but "more successful" he cannot be.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Whether they were injured, benched, or simply not chosen is irrelevant if they weren't playing. It cannot mathematically be argued Lamela was a more successful signing considering he played all of nine games for us last season, and scored one goal in the Europa and put in one assist in the Prem. An exciting signing, but "more successful" he cannot be.

is it better to play bad than to not play at all? i'm not sure. lamela will prove to be a better signing than paulinho though as he's a better player.

 

[DaSpurs]

I dont think its mega impressive, but it furthers his case for another season. That will be Poch's decision to make so we'll see what happens.....

I certainly can't debate any of this. If Poch decides to forego making a change for him, I won't complain. But conversely, if he decides to make a sale to any interested party, I wouldn't be at all surprised and would be extremely interested in following who he'd move for to replace him.

 

[DaSpurs]

is it better to play bad than to not play at all? i'm not sure. lamela will prove to be a better signing than paulinho though as he's a better player.

Although you and I agree that we would each sell Paulinho given the choice, I think this is where we differ.

I don't think he "played bad" per se, simply that he was average by Prem standards for central midfielders and hasn't suggested at any point in his career that he is the type of player we need given our weaknesses, and it is solely because we paid well in excess for an average Prem midfielder for him that I would sell him to improve the position and other positions of need.

Therefore, yes I do think a 17 million pound midfield signing providing 30 games of mediocre play and six league goals is a higher indication of a "successful signing" as of yet than a 27 million pound attacker signing who has played all of nine games for us and provided zero league goals.

 

[spursfan77]

I just thought I'd repost this because Sherwood's comments after the 3 nil stoke game at home have been in my mind the while time reading this thread. Its probably one of the only times I agreed with him....

Sherwood admitted, surprisingly, that “I didn’t realise Paulinho was that good,” with the Brazilian international showing off some terrific skills during his hour on the pitch.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think if a good offer came in I'd take it, and I'm very disappointed with him, but I can't accept that he cultivated the reputation and accolades pre Spurs without having been very good at some point. Thus, I live in hope that should he remain, there is a very good player there who has just gone through a really bad year. So far he's been poor for the most part, sometimes awful, but there has to be more to him than we've seen for him to have been held in such high esteem by so many and I really hope Pochettino can tap into whatever it is he's so good at.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

In fact, my biggest problem with Paulinho at the moment is that he didn't kick Suarez anywhere near hard enough!

 

[rosie47]

It's funny, but he clearly can do it on a dark dreary wintry dank spring day at Stoke, which - as we all should know - is the benchmark used to measure many a potential worldly player. To this day we still don't know if Messi is up to that standard.

 

[double0]

[quot="Blake Griffin, post: 4086806, member: 21737"]it's a toss up between paulinho and soldado as worst signing of the 7. they may have contributed more than a couple of the others last season by virtue of actually playing but as signings they're still the worst - especially when the money we paid is considered.[/quote]
Naah Its not a toss up really Paulihno been ok but Soldado for his reputation and fee was a big flop.

 

[marvel0071]

Absolutely,I agree and I think he should sign on the dole for a few years to make sure he gets that well earned rest he deserves.

The guy is world class. He's a first team player for the World Cup favourites ya clown.............