Paulinho

[DaSpurs]

Yep let's sell a players whose goals actually got us points last season to a team where his goals may get them points. A rival. Ludicrous.

I don't think it would necessarily be a negative. At the end of the day, it's the goal tally that matters not necessarily who specifically provides them. It is my opinion that Paulinho does not provide enough to set up an environment for a team to score, and so I don't think it'd necessarily be any loss in potential points for us, regardless of how he works out for them.

 

[fortworthspur]

Paulinho for Wellbeck will ruin whats been a nice window for me.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I don't think it would necessarily be a negative. At the end of the day, it's the goal tally that matters not necessarily who specifically provides them. It is my opinion that Paulinho does not provide enough to set up an environment for a team to score, and so I don't think it'd necessarily be any loss in potential points for us, regardless of how he works out for them.

Maybe, maybe not. Not getting into debate about how or if Paulinho could work in a Poch team. Imo though selling a player to a rival where he could feasibly score 10 goals for them is utter madness and I can't justify it.

 

[DaSpurs]

Maybe, maybe not. Not getting into debate about how or if Paulinho could work in a Poch team. Imo though selling a player to a rival where he could feasibly score 10 goals for them is utter madness and I can't justify it.

Understandable, but what if that cash is converted to players more conducive to a system such that directly leads to us scoring 11 goals as a result of those players? In that case, IMO, it is prudence rather than madness.

 

[Joeyboey]

If he stays he needs to cut out the misplaced sideways passes, dawdling and turning on the ball in completely inappropriate areas of the pitch.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Understandable, but what if that cash is converted to players more conducive to a system such that directly leads to us scoring 11 goals as a result of those players? In that case, IMO, it is prudence rather than madness.

Then sell abroad. I can't justify selling to a rival, ever. Tbh I've seen no ITK suggesting not part of plans or that willing to sell him. Just someone enquired which probably near on everyone would be at some point. He'd have no interest in going to a club lower in PL and I hope we wouldn't contemplate selling to a rival.

 

[LiamJM10]

So torn on Paulinho. I want him to succeed so badly, but then he doesn't fit into our best XI.

Which makes me want us to sell whilst he's still worth a decent fee.

But then I also want him to stay and get a second chance like our other signings.

I say keep him and play him as the #10 when called upon. He got 8/9 goals last season and was pretty shit.

 

[DaSpurs]

Then sell abroad. I can't justify selling to a rival, ever. Tbh I've seen no ITK suggesting not part of plans or that willing to sell him. Just someone enquired which probably near on everyone would be at some point. He'd have no interest in going to a club lower in PL and I hope we wouldn't contemplate selling to a rival.

Yeah that's fair. Ideally I was hoping Man U would pony up for Strootman, in which case Roma would turn to Paulinho, but I'll take what we can get. I think you're justified in your stance, but for me I'd take that cash back along with Sandro's sale and convert it to wrapping up Schneiderlin, likely wish cash left over to pursue an attacking player should Poch desire.

I'd love for us to return to having a DLP, but a midfield of Capoue, Schneiderlin, Bentaleb, and Dembele looks good to me. Wish Holtby would stay to alternate with them and Eriksen, but it does seem there's legs in Hamburg's interest.

 

[DaSpurs]

So torn on Paulinho. I want him to succeed so badly, but then he doesn't fit into our best XI.

Which makes me want us to sell whilst he's still worth a decent fee.

But then I also want him to stay and get a second chance like our other signings.

I say keep him and play him as the #10 when called upon. He got 8/9 goals last season and was pretty shit.

He got those goals as a result of his deep position, so moving him forward would negate the advantage he does provide. So IMO either he adapts his game to being a suitable No 8 in this league, or as you say we sell while he still holds some value and a new manager tries to make additions he feels necessary.

 

[panoma]

Not suprised to see United in for Paulinho after watching them start Fletcher + Cleverly vs Sunderland.

They are desperate for players and Levy know this. Can see us robbing them if they decide to move in for Paulinho.

 

[ajspurs]

So torn on Paulinho. I want him to succeed so badly, but then he doesn't fit into our best XI.

Which makes me want us to sell whilst he's still worth a decent fee.

But then I also want him to stay and get a second chance like our other signings.

I say keep him and play him as the #10 when called upon. He got 8/9 goals last season and was pretty shit.

Same, only thing for me is that I haven't seen anything from him to suggest as much. I accept that he showed he had good ability in the Confederations Cup but I didn't see any of that. He was also awful in the World Cup, but I think Brazil were as a whole anyway.

Saying that though, if Poch can give the same effect that he has done with Lamela and seemingly Chadli then he could prove to be a really useful player. And to be honest, if Poch can continue to transition us out of the phase of bland and unimaginative football that we've seen for the last few seasons then a lot of our players are only going to benefit from that, including Paulinho.

What I don't see is how he would fit into our starting 11, especially if we get MS.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Yeah that's fair. Ideally I was hoping Man U would pony up for Strootman, in which case Roma would turn to Paulinho, but I'll take what we can get. I think you're justified in your stance, but for me I'd take that cash back along with Sandro's sale and convert it to wrapping up Schneiderlin, likely wish cash left over to pursue an attacking player should Poch desire.

I'd love for us to return to having a DLP, but a midfield of Capoue, Schneiderlin, Bentaleb, and Dembele looks good to me. Wish Holtby would stay to alternate with them and Eriksen, but it does seem there's legs in Hamburg's interest.

Don't get me started on possibility of selling Siggy, Holtby & Paulinho in same window please lol.

 

[ajspurs]

Yeah that's fair. Ideally I was hoping Man U would pony up for Strootman, in which case Roma would turn to Paulinho, but I'll take what we can get. I think you're justified in your stance, but for me I'd take that cash back along with Sandro's sale and convert it to wrapping up Schneiderlin, likely wish cash left over to pursue an attacking player should Poch desire.

I'd love for us to return to having a DLP, but a midfield of Capoue, Schneiderlin, Bentaleb, and Dembele looks good to me. Wish Holtby would stay to alternate with them and Eriksen, but it does seem there's legs in Hamburg's interest.

Is the only thing that I've felt like we've been greatly missing, my only comfort in us not seemingly looking for one is my encouragement in Poch knowing what's best for how he wants us to play.

 

[scat1620]

Sandro?

Ha, right you are squire, I feel like a total div now - edited!

Sorry to The Beast...

 

[spurs9]

Yeah that's fair. Ideally I was hoping Man U would pony up for Strootman, in which case Roma would turn to Paulinho, but I'll take what we can get. I think you're justified in your stance, but for me I'd take that cash back along with Sandro's sale and convert it to wrapping up Schneiderlin, likely wish cash left over to pursue an attacking player should Poch desire.

I'd love for us to return to having a DLP, but a midfield of Capoue, Schneiderlin, Bentaleb, and Dembele looks good to me. Wish Holtby would stay to alternate with them and Eriksen, but it does seem there's legs in Hamburg's interest.

I would rather Man Utd get Paulinho than Strootman. I think Strootman would strengthen them more.

 

[spurs9]

Maybe, maybe not. Not getting into debate about how or if Paulinho could work in a Poch team. Imo though selling a player to a rival where he could feasibly score 10 goals for them is utter madness and I can't justify it.

Sorry if you have already answered this, but where would you play him in Poch's system? As much as I want him to succeed here, I just don't see where he fits.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Sorry if you have already answered this, but where would you play him in Poch's system? As much as I want him to succeed here, I just don't see where he fits.

Only way I see him working is in a 3 man midfield.

Should we sign Schneiderlin, something like:

----------- Capoue -------- Schneiderlin -------------
------------------- Paulinho -------------------------
- Lamela --------------------------------- Eriksen ---
------------------ Adebayor -------------------------

I wouldn't quite see it as a 4-2-3-1 as I see him and Schneiderlin switching if Schneiderlin were to get forward given Poch likes him in the B2B role and Paulinho would likely start a bit deeper from the offset. I just view it as a way to give us a tad more physicality in the middle even if he's not exactly the most overly talented in terms of breaking up play.

 

[Sweech]

I still think Paulinho could work as one of our 3 number 10s. Although if an offer came in that matches or is more than what we paid for him I'd easily accept it regardless of the buying team.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Only way I see him working is in a 3 man midfield.

Should we sign Schneiderlin, something like:

----------- Capoue -------- Schneiderlin -------------
------------------- Paulinho -------------------------
- Lamela --------------------------------- Eriksen ---
------------------ Adebayor -------------------------

I wouldn't quite see it as a 4-2-3-1 as I see him and Schneiderlin switching if Schneiderlin were to get forward given Poch likes him in the B2B role and Paulinho would likely start a bit deeper from the offset. I just view it as a way to give us a tad more physicality in the middle even if he's not exactly the most overly talented in terms of breaking up play.

Yeah this basically. I also still can see him playing as part of a two alongside Capoue (although he will have to adjust his game a little) against lower teams at home. Capoue or Schneiderlin can dominate in front of back 4 against these teams if the pressing is on point, linking with Eriksen and Lamela which allows Paulinho and Chadli to get in box.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I still think Paulinho could work as one of our 3 number 10s. Although if an offer came in that matches or is more than what we paid for him I'd easily accept it regardless of the buying team.

If Eriksen was injured I still think a 3 of Chadli, Lamela & Paulinho ahead of Capoue and Schneiderlin would work. Yes he loves late runs into box but he does have in his game, as shown with goal in last game of season, something others don't.