Player watch: Danny Rose
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I have a terrible feeling he is bust
WiganSpur
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He's too injury prone now. Not sure he can be relied upon to make the contribution that would be required of him next season.
Ghost Hardware
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If Rose leaves as well, thats three of the best back four in the league gone in two seasons. I see nothing to be happy about. We should be focusing further up the pitch which is far from perfect but instead we will have to spend time and money replacing our defenders with players most likely young, inexperienced and expensive, all be it with high potential. While thats great, its not going to convince the likes of Eriksen, Kane etc that we are going to be winning anything in the near future. I understand Rose has been a ghost for much of the season, but if we had gotten him fit and given him a longer run in the first team i see no reason why he wouldn't have found his form and been a huge asset to the team. Daves is a great rotation option but he is not good enough to start for a team trying to win the PL let alone the CL. Rose when fit is. He is an excellent left back and club trained. i really dont think loosing him is a good move.
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BringBack_leGin
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Ben Davies, now 25, has 6 league assists in 25 starts and 3 games off the bench this season. Last season was 3 in 18 starts with 5 off the bench. The previous year 2 in 14 starts with 3 games off the bench. His first season just 1 in 9 starts with 5 games off the bench.
Danny Rose career best is 4, back in Pochettino’s first season. In his ‘best left back in the universe’ spell, the season and a half from the start of 15/16 to halfway through 16/17, Rose managed 5 assists in the league across 42 matches, all starts.
This isn’t me proclaiming Davies as ‘the one’. I’m just making the point that Rose, who had kicked very few balls in anger for us in the past 18 months, is not the massive loss many seem to think he’d be.
Danny Rose career best is 4, back in Pochettino’s first season. In his ‘best left back in the universe’ spell, the season and a half from the start of 15/16 to halfway through 16/17, Rose managed 5 assists in the league across 42 matches, all starts.
This isn’t me proclaiming Davies as ‘the one’. I’m just making the point that Rose, who had kicked very few balls in anger for us in the past 18 months, is not the massive loss many seem to think he’d be.
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There is a significant difference when Rose is bombing up and down the flank vs. Davies trying to do the same. It's the exact same thing as Trippier. Sure Trippier probably has better assist numbers but does anyone really prefer him to Walker? Rose at full strength is exponentially a better player than Davies.
BringBack_leGin
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I’m not saying Davies is anything great, I’m saying he’s more productive, so if he’s not all that then what does that make Rose? Expendable, especially when you consider that Davies played the entire second half of last season when we recorded our greatest PL points tally, and will have played the vast majority of this season while we’re on course to comfortably record our second highest ever PL points tally. Or do you suggest that this is despite Davies (and Trippier for that matter).
Davies and Trippier are not as eye catching as Walker and Rose, but to argue that their output is unimportant in this discussion is tantamount to suggesting Kane’s goals are equally unimportant. Truth of the matter is, we need 2 more points to record our second highest tally in this league, will probably finish 3rd, have far bettered last seasons champions league performance and reached the same stage of the Fa cup. All this while not playing at WHL. Either the fullbacks who have played constantly are doing pretty well, or our team, regardless of selection, is more about the collective than the individual. I’d suggest both are pretty true.
I’d also suggest that we won’t miss Danny Rose, he’s given us nothing worth missing since a season and a half ago.
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I just think we've clearly taken a step back in the fullback department this season and would like to get that fixed.
BringBack_leGin
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At no point have I said I’m against improving our fullbacks, I’d quite like to in fact, all I’ve said is that we won’t miss a player who has contributed the square root of fuck all to the most successful 18 months we’ve had in the league during our modern history.
Everlasting Seconds
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Of all that might go, Rose is the one I'd regret the least. His highlight this season was when he was sitting attentively on the bench whilst his mates outplayed Real Madrid.
spursfan77
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Rose v Davies is the new Keane v Defoe
matjcole
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Reading your responses to BBLG though, it seems you are just saying that aesthetically we don't look as good? If the two full backs have offered more in terms of assists and goals than Rose and Walker, isn't that an improvement? What I'm not sure on and haven't seen any stats, is whether we have conceded more as a direct result of Davies/Tripps over Rose/Walker - anyone know?
PS - We may have conceded more generally, but we will have to factor in the lack of playing time of Toby and Victor and moving from a 3 to a 2.
lukespurs7
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Blindingly obvious I agree.
'O Zio
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Sorry mate but you can't just take one stat, especially not "assists" which is one of the most misleading and useless stats in football, and say that's proof Rose isn't that good afterall. What he did for us when he was fit etc. was not about how many assist stats he racked up.
Trix
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Yeah but he's fast!
Agree but hopeless yesterday. When he did get crosses in (eventually) they were useless.
Trix
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Oh mate I was being sarcastic. So many posters on here seem to think pace is the be all and end all. I prefer end product over speed every day of the week.
Hercules
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I prefer both Trix! That is not really a difficult ask. At this rate, with that concept we won’t go far I don’t think. The modern game has changed. As someone (can’t remember who) said about Guardiola (Obvs spelt wrong). Think it was Henry. He likes fast in the mind and transition-players, who also have the speed. Combine both, and you are difficult to contain.
That should be our benchmark, and objective. Our flanks is our weakness. Respectful debate.
Trix
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As I have said mate, both full back positions could be upgraded. I'd far rather it was Aufier and Rose that went than Davies and Trippier.
As for the flanks being our weakness??? Maybe from a defensive POV but on the whole our static, unimaginative, predictable central midfield, has cost us far more this season IMO.
Trix
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I would add to this if you are right about wanting to play 3 at the back next season then pacey full backs will be more important because we will be losing an attacking option at the top end of the pitch. With what we currently have squad wise though, we are far more suited to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. The thought of buying more AM's and switching to 3 at the back just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
