Player Watch Player Watch - Lucas Moura

[Trix]

It's all irrelevant mate they will just sponsor themselves for another billion

Ffp is a farce designed to keep the big boys at the top but psg ,cashchester crashed the party then took the party over so the other big cash clubs are knicker wetting.

It was all gravy when it was just them doing it

Do you not think that would have been the easiest way to get KM if PSG could have just done that

 

[thebenjamin]

Do you not think that would have been the easiest way to get KM if they could have just done that

Kyle Malker?

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

one of these days we're gonna have to bite the bullet and just pay the asking price to get a deal over the line in good time. I get that we need to be financially prudent, but we're talking about a player with the potential to raise the quality of what we already have, hopefully boost our somewhat-stuttering season, or at the very least provide much-needed competition for attacking places, and we're here penny-pinching and worrying about sell-on value etc. as has been pointed out, £35m is hardly anything these days, and we've recently spent that on one of the worst players to play for us over the last decade. suddenly a player of this quality comes along, and we want to try and get him for cents on the dollar. we spend all our time bemoaning the fact that we cannot compete with the top sides for players, so IMO a player like this is exactly the type of profile we should be locking down as early as we can.

 

[Primativ]

I think this has deadline day written all over it. At the moment PSG are sticking to their ultra high valuation in the hope a big club comes in with the money...Arsenal, United etc

However it seems most other clubs aren't interested so as the window closes we expect PSG will lower their demands and that's when we may strike a deal.

 

[Dillspur]

one of these days we're gonna have to bite the bullet and just pay the asking price to get a deal over the line in good time. I get that we need to be financially prudent, but we're talking about a player with the potential to raise the quality of what we already have, hopefully boost our somewhat-stuttering season, or at the very least provide much-needed competition for attacking places, and we're here penny-pinching and worrying about sell-on value etc. as has been pointed out, £35m is hardly anything these days, and we've recently spent that on one of the worst players to play for us over the last decade. suddenly a player of this quality comes along, and we want to try and get him for cents on the dollar. we spend all our time bemoaning the fact that we cannot compete with the top sides for players, so IMO a player like this is exactly the type of profile we should be locking down as early as we can.

While you're correct that 35m nowadays isn't much. You do have to consider that PSG have told him to find a new club, they have to sell due to FFP, he's hardly played and that will continue until the summer diminishing his value even further. they really have no bargaining power so why would we pay full asking price

 

[Colonel Dax]

No, I think you're right in that respect. Unfortunately the break-down Herc gave that displayed what our budget could look like and how it needs to be spent accordingly showed how difficult it is. Don't want Poch over spending on a player only to miss out on a more pressing area (CM) because that extra 10m was used elsewhere.

Agree generally that we have to be careful with our overall budget although I think we need both an attacking player and CM. Not sure we'll be able to get either of those players on the cheap.

 

[cider spurs]

Well, hopefully we can indeed lower the price but £35m isn't too outlandish in the current climate. Brazilian international playing for one of Europe's biggest clubs - 11 goals in 36 league appearances last season as a winger. Considering we paid £30m for Sissoko two years ago, £35m for the transfer fee isn't that bad.

Just watched the transfer section on SSN (yeah I know ) they seemed to think £23 million with him preferring the premier league.

Names us and one other in the Prem as holding an interest. Of course others around Europe and Asia.

 

[Trix]

Kyle Malker?

Yeah sorry was referring to PSG having to put themselves up the creek over M'Bappe.

 

[fletch82]

Do you not think that would have been the easiest way to get KM if they could have just done that

Honestly I don' have a clue how these clubs work but I do remember cashchester sponsoring themselves and then being questioned and claiming it was their nan sponsoring them or some garbage like that.

I don't claim to know it all or understand it but from the outside looking in it looks like the oil clubs make the rules up as they go along regarding paying within the clubs means

 

[Trix]

Honestly I don' have a clue how these clubs work but I do remember cashchester sponsoring themselves and then being questioned and claiming it was their nan sponsoring them or some garbage like that.

I don't claim to know it all or understand it but from the outside looking in it looks like the oil clubs make the rules up as they go along regarding paying within the clubs means

You're right. Has to be far more transparent now though, and has to be somewhere close to the going rate if there is a clear connection to the club iirc. As I say they need to sell, and if they could just raise another £200mil via dodgy sponsorship, I'm sure they would

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

While you're correct that 35m nowadays isn't much. You do have to consider that PSG have told him to find a new club, they have to sell due to FFP, he's hardly played and that will continue until the summer diminishing his value even further. they really have no bargaining power so why would we pay full asking price

because of what we think he could do for US, perhaps? rather than trying to take advantage of another club's (perceived) weak position, I think this what we should be putting more emphasis on. it's hardly like PSG are in dire straits in any way, they're just going to have to sell at some point. FFP is calculated over a three-year rolling period, so there's nothing to say they need to start having a fire sale now. besides, nothing's stopping them from putting Cavani up for sale in the summer, given his problems with Neymar, as well as maybe someone like Di Maria or even Verratti. either way, it's not really our problem. our problem is that we ourselves need strengthening, and we have the chance to get a player who potentially fits that bill for a lot less than you would normally expect to pay on the open market.

so let's say we manage to knock them down to £25m on deadline day, then we'll have managed to "save" ourselves £10m. not an inconsequential amount, by any means, but it's hardly going to be the difference between life and death for us. plus we have a game against a Top 4 rival on that day, wouldn't it be better for us if he was available to play some sort of part (assuming he'd qualify for a work permit in time etc)? but instead, no let's fanny around until 11:30 on deadline day, and then just not get the deal done in time, or complete it so late that he can't really play any part in the game a couple of days later against another Top 4 rival.

I just think we need to get real. we really do need strengthening if we're to have a chance of qualifying for the CL next season, and everyone swears blind not doing so would be a disaster. everyone around us either has or is trying to strengthen in this window, and we cant afford to be left behind. we always complain about not being able to compete at the top end of the market with the big boys, and now we're balking about getting a potentially very good-level player for a now mid-level amount. it doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[tiger666]

I just think we need to get real. we really do need strengthening if we're to have a chance of qualifying for the CL next season, and everyone swears blind not doing so would be a disaster.

I don't.

 

[philll]

We never signed foyth then?

No one ever remembers Gazzaniga.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I don't.

ok so not everyone then. but in the thread where we discussed Pochettino not being interested in the domestic cups, the consensus amongst everyone seemed to be that he had to tank them in order to focus on the priority of CL qualification, as not being in it in our first season back at WHL woud be a disaster. welll hey....that's a real possibility now, and we've only got a week left to address it via the transfer market.

 

[Dillspur]

because of what we think he could do for US, perhaps? rather than trying to take advantage of another club's (perceived) weak position, I think this what we should be putting more emphasis on. it's hardly like PSG are in dire straits in any way, they're just going to have to sell at some point. FFP is calculated over a three-year rolling period, so there's nothing to say they need to start having a fire sale now. besides, nothing's stopping them from putting Cavani up for sale in the summer, given his problems with Neymar, as well as maybe someone like Di Maria or even Verratti. either way, it's not really our problem. our problem is that we ourselves need strengthening, and we have the chance to get a player who potentially fits that bill for a lot less than you would normally expect to pay on the open market.

so let's say we manage to knock them down to £25m on deadline day, then we'll have managed to "save" ourselves £10m. not an inconsequential amount, by any means, but it's hardly going to be the difference between life and death for us. plus we have a game against a Top 4 rival on that day, wouldn't it be better for us if he was available to play some sort of part (assuming he'd qualify for a work permit in time etc)? but instead, no let's fanny around until 11:30 on deadline day, and then just not get the deal done in time, or complete it so late that he can't really play any part in the game a couple of days later against another Top 4 rival.

I just think we need to get real. we really do need strengthening if we're to have a chance of qualifying for the CL next season, and everyone swears blind not doing so would be a disaster. everyone around us either has or is trying to strengthen in this window, and we cant afford to be left behind. we always complain about not being able to compete at the top end of the market with the big boys, and now we're balking about getting a potentially very good-level player for a now mid-level amount. it doesn't make any sense to me.

Hercules has already mentioned there's a transfer budget, if we can save 10m on Moura and that enables us to purchase someone else then that's what we need to do. Per Poch, we have to be clever in the market

 

[tiger666]

ok so not everyone then. but in the thread where we discussed Pochettino not being interested in the domestic cups, the consensus amongst everyone seemed to be that he had to tank them in order to focus on the priority of CL qualification, as not being in it in our first season back at WHL woud be a disaster. welll hey....that's a real possibility now, and we've only got a week left to address it via the transfer market.

And in the threads about our expectations for the Wembley season many, including myself, were expecting top 6 at best. That hasn't changed for me.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I decided to take some time to have a look at some vids of Lucas on YouTube this arvo. Both his overall skills/passes/crosses compilations and then purely his goals from last season.

Some have levelled criticism at him that he's just a brazilian Andros Townsend and to be fair, there are similarities. In my view though Andros' biggest problem was, and still is, his final ball/shot/decision. He often would blaze it wildly over, shoot when he should pass, pass when he should shoot etc but equally he's not a bad player so it's hardly the worst comparison. Lucas has a similar playing style/technique. Both are very quick and skilful but the the reality is that Lucas is a far better finisher, seems to have an eye for a pass, not only in final third but when releasing his full back. Lucas also scores all types of goals. Last season alone he scored tap-ins, 25 yard screamers, penalties, free kicks and nice accurate finishes from around 12-15 yards.

I can certainly see why we are interested and in fact, if we were to sign him, I believe he could contribute in the way that we would have hoped that N'Jie or N'Koudou were going to do but never did.

Equally in terms of competing with other clubs around europe for his signature, I think we should remember that Aurier could be a key factor. They seemed to have a good connection on the field and were most likely good friends off it. Lucas is well liked by his teammates and Marquinhos has even been on video crying at the prospect of Lucas leaving PSG.

 

[fletch82]

You're right. Has to be far more transparent now though, and has to be somewhere close to the going rate if there is a clear connection to the club iirc. As I say they need to sell, and if they could just raise another £200mil via dodgy sponsorship, I'm sure they would

Haha maybe we could have psg at the cashchester city stadium and cashchester citeh at the psg drome

Maybe I shouldn' say that in case one of the feckers reads it and thinks good idea

 

[EastLondonYid]

35m straight cash deal or 40m and Sissoko

 

[Flashspur]

40 pages to go to match Malcolm...just saying. So hold the Vaseline.