Player Watch: Moussa Sissoko

[DIEHARD]

Heck, sitting on the bench for twelve months, I'd do that for a year for one of his weekly salaries.
And I won't disappoint.

I'd do it for two and a half most likely three weeks wages.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'd do it for two and a half most likely three weeks wages.

All that unrealised quality. I'd even sit on the bench and celebrate when a team mate was scoring. At least smile very happily.

 

[spursfan77]

Heck, sitting on the bench for twelve months, I'd do that for a year for one of his weekly salaries.
And I won't disappoint.

I doubt you'd be any worse than him either!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I doubt you'd be any worse than him either!

I can show the same directness towards the dressing room at half time.

 

[spursfan77]

I can show the same directness towards the dressing room at half time.

Are you good at cutting oranges though...

 

[TwanYid]

Don't worry, Im still waiting for that when I started saying how shit Paulinho was months before everyone else finally cottoned on. Its never going to happen.

Same, only with me it was Chiriches.

 

[JonnySpurs]

We haven't paid 30m for Sissoko, not sure how many times it's gotta be reiterated but it simply hasn't happened.

I can't recall who wrote the article, probably Tom Collomosse, but it was explained that the agreement is that we would pay 6m a year on the basis of a 5 year contract. Thus far we would have paid 6m but apparently Newcastle still owed us money for Andros Townsend.

In reality I think Levy has probably done a deal that has a lot of contingency plans built in. I suppose whatever we sell him for would be paid to Newcastle to clear whatever balance remained, less the amount they owe for Andros. I'm sure we'll find a way for it to have only cost us what we've paid him in wages which may not end up being that big of a loss in the grand scheme of things. After all, he's got some assists and done ok at times. There's no doubt though that it was a mistake to sign him, even if the theory was a sound one, e.g. direct runner to break through the lines with pace and power.

Either way, he's not cost us 30m so we need to stop banging on about it.

 

[dontcallme]

We haven't paid 30m for Sissoko, not sure how many times it's gotta be reiterated but it simply hasn't happened.

I can't recall who wrote the article, probably Tom Collomosse, but it was explained that the agreement is that we would pay 6m a year on the basis of a 5 year contract. Thus far we would have paid 6m but apparently Newcastle still owed us money for Andros Townsend.

In reality I think Levy has probably done a deal that has a lot of contingency plans built in. I suppose whatever we sell him for would be paid to Newcastle to clear whatever balance remained, less the amount they owe for Andros. I'm sure we'll find a way for it to have only cost us what we've paid him in wages which may not end up being that big of a loss in the grand scheme of things. After all, he's got some assists and done ok at times. There's no doubt though that it was a mistake to sign him, even if the theory was a sound one, e.g. direct runner to break through the lines with pace and power.

Either way, he's not cost us 30m so we need to stop banging on about it.

Yes but even if we didn't buy Sissoko Newcastle would owe us money for Townsend.

We signed Sissoko for £30m paying Newcastle £6m a year. If we sell him earlier we'll still need to pay Newcastle the money so yes he did cost us £30m.

 

[E17yid]

Fuckin helI, Sissoko's reported fee is more talked about than Soldado's, something I thought impossible.

Can't we all agree that he's shit and a complete waste of money, does it really matter how much we spent? He'll be off in the summer.

It's funny how we thought he'd be competition for Lamela and it turns out he can't even get into the team when lamelas been injured all season. Embarrassing for him really.

 

[thebenjamin]

We haven't paid 30m for Sissoko, not sure how many times it's gotta be reiterated but it simply hasn't happened.

I can't recall who wrote the article, probably Tom Collomosse, but it was explained that the agreement is that we would pay 6m a year on the basis of a 5 year contract. Thus far we would have paid 6m but apparently Newcastle still owed us money for Andros Townsend.

In reality I think Levy has probably done a deal that has a lot of contingency plans built in. I suppose whatever we sell him for would be paid to Newcastle to clear whatever balance remained, less the amount they owe for Andros. I'm sure we'll find a way for it to have only cost us what we've paid him in wages which may not end up being that big of a loss in the grand scheme of things. After all, he's got some assists and done ok at times. There's no doubt though that it was a mistake to sign him, even if the theory was a sound one, e.g. direct runner to break through the lines with pace and power.

Either way, he's not cost us 30m so we need to stop banging on about it.

I don't know how many times this needs to be re-established, but the breakdown of our payments to Newcastle is completely irrelevant - we bought Sissoko for £30M, therefore we owe NUFC that moneyThe payments are broken down into £6M per season, but when we sell Sissoko is completely irrelevant.. Under no circumstances is Mike Ashley going to have £30M on the table from Everton, but agree to a deal from us where we just pay him if Sissoko plays for us, but if he leaves then we no longer owe him money - he didn't become a billionaire by being that epically stupid.

And the Townsend money is also completely irrelevant. It's still money off our balance sheet, whether Newcastle owned it to us or not.

We bought Sissoko for £30M. If we sell him this summer, we still bought him for £30M. And we'll still owe Newcastle £24M. So if we sell him for £15M, which seems hopelessly fanciful, we'll still have lost £14M on the fee, and a few million in wages and payments to his agent.

 

[SpursDave88]

I don't know how many times this needs to be re-established, but the breakdown of our payments to Newcastle is completely irrelevant - we bought Sissoko for £30M, therefore we owe NUFC that moneyThe payments are broken down into £6M per season, but when we sell Sissoko is completely irrelevant.. Under no circumstances is Mike Ashley going to have £30M on the table from Everton, but agree to a deal from us where we just pay him if Sissoko plays for us, but if he leaves then we no longer owe him money - he didn't become a billionaire by being that epically stupid.

And the Townsend money is also completely irrelevant. It's still money off our balance sheet, whether Newcastle owned it to us or not.

We bought Sissoko for £30M. If we sell him this summer, we still bought him for £30M. And we'll still owe Newcastle £24M. So if we sell him for £15M, which seems hopelessly fanciful, we'll still have lost £14M on the fee, and a few million in wages and payments to his agent.

This needs to be repeated. Pretty much every transfer is installments and then bonus payments based on performance and if the player is sold, even for a lower amount those payments are still due. We agreed to buy Sissoko for 30m, but that payment is over 5 years. What Sissoko does in those 5 years, if he ends up in China or whatever, doesn't change the fact that we owe Newcastle the 30m over that time. So yes, we did buy him for 30m.

Meanwhile, if we sell a player, if we use money owed to later off set a transfer the other way, that isn't a saving and it doesn't change the economics of the respective deals.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

We haven't paid 30m for Sissoko, not sure how many times it's gotta be reiterated but it simply hasn't happened.

Either way, he's not cost us 30m so we need to stop banging on about it.

We bought Sissoko for £30M. If we sell him this summer, we still bought him for £30M. And we'll still owe Newcastle £24M. So if we sell him for £15M, which seems hopelessly fanciful, we'll still have lost £14M on the fee, and a few million in wages and payments to his agent.

Sort of agree with both of you. Now, we all (?) know that the journo, Collomosse, actually changed his storyline via twitter, so the deal is more complicated that only paying 6M per year he is with us.

However, I have maintained, and I still do advocate, that there IS more to this deal than meets the eye. There is to my mind not a shred of doubt that Levy would never have committed to paying 30M for Sissoko no matter what. I'm positive that 30M represents the total ceiling if all of certain triggers come into fruition, and that there is some minimum floor to the deal that Newcastle by all accounts is guaranteed (maybe 20M? maybe 24M?), but the guaranteed amount I don't think is 30M.

My first response the transfer even on deadline day amongst all the rumours before it was official was: "There is no way Levy have committed to buying Sissoko for 30M". I still stand by that, it makes no sense.
However, we are not getting away with 6M either, I think we all can agree on that.

 

[thebenjamin]

Sort of agree with both of you. Now, we all (?) know that the journo, Collomosse, actually changed his storyline via twitter, so the deal is more complicated that only paying 6M per year he is with us.

However, I have maintained, and I still do advocate, that there IS more to this deal than meets the eye. There is to my mind not a shred of doubt that Levy would never have committed to paying 30M for Sissoko no matter what. I'm positive that 30M represents the total ceiling if all of certain triggers come into fruition, and that there is some minimum floor to the deal that Newcastle by all accounts is guaranteed (maybe 20M? maybe 24M?), but the guaranteed amount I don't think is 30M.

My first response the transfer even on deadline day amongst all the rumours before it was official was: "There is no way Levy have committed to buying Sissoko for 30M". I still stand by that, it makes no sense.
However, we are not getting away with 6M either, I think we all can agree on that.

Well we know cash rich Everton had £30M on the table on deadline day - why would Mike Ashley accept less?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Well we know cash rich Everton had £30M on the table on deadline day - why would Mike Ashley accept less?

Sissoko only wanted to move to one club, refused the other, thought Spurs was the place to be, and Ashley saw it as a golden opportunity to turn their debtee into debtor (Spurs owing them money rather than them owing Spurs money). Probably didn't hurt to get an expensive player off the books following relegation, either. Doesn't matter what Ashely wanted to do if the player changed his mind, does it?

If we truly could commit to 30M no strings attached and a weekly salary of 70K, I believe there are other players we would have gotten earlier in the window.

And you are good at not underestimating Ashley, I'll give you that, but you are somehow underestimating Levy.

 

[thebenjamin]

Sissoko only wanted to move to one club, refused the other, thought Spurs was the place to be, and Ashley saw it as a golden opportunity to turn their debtee into debtor (Spurs owing them money rather than them owing Spurs money). Probably didn't hurt to get an expensive player off the books following relegation, either. Doesn't matter what Ashely wanted to do if the player changed his mind, does it?

If we truly could commit to 30M no strings attached and a weekly salary of 70K, I believe there are other players we would have gotten earlier in the window.

And you are good at not underestimating Ashley, I'll give you that, but you are somehow underestimating Levy.

I just think people are wishing that the truth is not the truth, because it was such an appalling piece of business. Ashley had said many times that summer that he was willing to keep Sissoko if he didn't get his £30M.

And let's face it, Levy has been taken to the cleaners many times on transfer fees by other clubs. Bent, Bentley, Soldado etc.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I just think people are wishing that the truth is not the truth, because it was such an appalling piece of business. Ashley had said many times that summer that he was willing to keep Sissoko if he didn't get his £30M.

And let's face it, Levy has been taken to the cleaners many times on transfer fees by other clubs. Bent, Bentley, Soldado etc.

I agree he has, and especially the Soldado ordeal is yet another argument for why Levy would never go there again for a player at a certain age. I must underline that I'm only guessing and speculating, however that being said, it is so counter-characteristic to do such a deal once, let a long repeating it. There must be details we don't know.

 

[TwanYid]

I agree he has, and especially the Soldado ordeal is yet another argument for why Levy would never go there again for a player at a certain age. I must underline that I'm only guessing and speculating, however that being said, it is so counter-characteristic to do such a deal once, let a long repeating it. There must be details we don't know.

There are. For instance, we don't know precisely what kind of lube Ashley used- or whether or not he used any lube at all.

 

[scat1620]

Fuckin helI, Sissoko's reported fee is more talked about than Soldado's, something I thought impossible.

Can't we all agree that he's shit and a complete waste of money, does it really matter how much we spent? He'll be off in the summer.

It's funny how we thought he'd be competition for Lamela and it turns out he can't even get into the team when lamelas been injured all season. Embarrassing for him really.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I just think people are wishing that the truth is not the truth, because it was such an appalling piece of business. Ashley had said many times that summer that he was willing to keep Sissoko if he didn't get his £30M.

And let's face it, Levy has been taken to the cleaners many times on transfer fees by other clubs. Bent, Bentley, Soldado etc.

I'm perfectly accepting of the truth, I wasn't trying to say that we've done a good deal or anything like that and in reality all I was trying to do was reiterate the story from the Standard or wherever it was that I read it. That explained it the way I did in my post in that what we have paid out so far is 6m and that the likelihood was that Levy would find a way to sell the player for whatever amount was remaining after 1 year of his contract. Obviously we would then have to pay that to NUFC to clear that remaining balance but we still haven't dropped 30m in one lump sum as some seem to be suggesting and that was really my main point.

Let's face it, if 24m was owed to NUFC this summer then I would back Levy to be able to sell him to a club in Italy, Spain, China or wherever for 24m because he has a track record of getting good money in player sales. IF that was to happen then you could argue that we essentially rented the player for a season for 6m. I appreciate that in the grand scheme of things the finances don't always balance out as simply as this and it absolutely was a horrible transfer that we shouldn't have done but it's also still not as black and white as you say it is.

Anyway, I was TRYING to put an end to the debate about his fucking fee and in doing so only managed to stoke the fire even more so for that reason alone I'm wishing I hadn't bothered.

Let's just put it to bed. He'll likely be gone this summer.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It's funny how we thought he'd be competition for Lamela and it turns out he can't even get into the team when lamelas been injured all season.