Positivity Thread

[old spur]

Can’t help but feel we all need reminding just how good things are as there are a lot of things to feel positive about and please don’t flood this with reductive talk on lack of transfers or boring levy out

Young squad who have been getting better each year, they all know how each other play and what Poch expects of them.

Our Capt & Vice Capt lifted the World Cup & Golden Boot in the summer.

Consistently finishing in the top three three seasons running

Shiny new stadium back home where we belong

Team that plays with heart, passion, creativity and a smile on their face.

Only London team in this years Champions League

I feel more connected to this squad of players than many previous squads, they deserve success and trophies but there are also 19 other teams in the league who feel they also deserve success. Nobody has a god given right to win but we have as good a chance as any.

TL : DR - Lighten up you miserable gits

Sorry, I am going to put a downer on this. We are still likely to lose Toby, Rose, and Dembele, and we lost Walker last season. These 4 players made us a much better side 2016/2017 than we were last year. The three players in question don't want to be at Spurs anyway, so even if they stay their efforts will be minimal. I actually believe we are likely to sign two players, one for the future and one for now. This won't be enough to give us a challenge at the title, and we have become a very poor cup team for years now. We may have a shout at top four again, but I am afraid that doesn't excite me in the slightest.

 

[old spur]

Title of the thread is positivity so although I can't see anyway the team will win the league I will be more than happy with another finish in top four which maybe an achievement in itself this year.

I support my team in the hope we actually win things. To me 4th is failure

 

[shelfboy68]

I support my team in the hope we actually win things. To me 4th is failure

I along with all the other spurs fans support the club also but you have to be realistic that clubs like city stockpile quality for the sake of it if they want to whereas we are still struggling to buy anyone with a couple of days to go, so realistically we can we win other than top four spot which is remarkable considering the constraints poch as to work under so to me that is success.

 

[old spur]

I along with all the other spurs fans support the club also but you have to be realistic that clubs like stockpile quality for the sake of it if they want to whereas we are still struggling to buy anyone with a couple of days to go, so realistically we can we win other than top four spot which is remarkable considering the constraints poch as to work under so to me that is success.

Absolutely agree. We have arguably over achieved, but I would prefer to under achieve and actually win something. Coming 4th to me is still failure

 

[shelfboy68]

Absolutely agree. We have arguably over achieved, but I would prefer to under achieve and actually win something. Coming 4th to me is still failure

Would love to club to win something again but in the meantime top four it is.

 

[kieranfitchett]

we could do with a few bodies through the door before deadline day but overall the club is in absolutely fantastic shape. brilliant manager, exciting young playing squad, an unbelievable new stadium which is the best i've ever been to and champions league football for our first season there

 

[RichieS]

Absolutely agree. We have arguably over achieved, but I would prefer to under achieve and actually win something. Coming 4th to me is still failure

I don't understand this school of thought at all. If it were the case that football was solely about winning one or more of the (maximum) 4 "big" trophies available to English clubs every season, then the existence of all but about 6 of the 92 league clubs is ultimately pointless. What would be the purpose of supporting Yeovil Town, for example? Exeter City? Norwich City? Notts County?

 

[old spur]

I don't understand this school of thought at all. If it were the case that football was solely about winning one or more of the (maximum) 4 "big" trophies available to English clubs every season, then the existence of all but about 6 of the 92 league clubs is ultimately pointless. What would be the purpose of supporting Yeovil Town, for example? Exeter City? Norwich City? Notts County?

I get your point, but it is about expectations. Top four means absolutely nothing to me. It just means the chairman gets more money to share amongst the major shareholders, rather than to improve the squad, and we get to play in a competition we can't possibly win. I don't expect to win the league, in actual fact I don't expect to do as well as we have done the last three seasons. What I expect is a winning mentality, which the club still lacks. Despite finishing above Liverpool last year they are second favourites to win the league and we 5th. This is because the industry knows our ambitions fall well short of City, Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool. As far as I am concerned, I would be happy to win the league cup and finish 10th.

 

[vegassd]

I get your point, but it is about expectations. Top four means absolutely nothing to me. It just means the chairman gets more money to share amongst the major shareholders, rather than to improve the squad, and we get to play in a competition we can't possibly win. I don't expect to win the league, in actual fact I don't expect to do as well as we have done the last three seasons. What I expect is a winning mentality, which the club still lacks. Despite finishing above Liverpool last year they are second favourites to win the league and we 5th. This is because the industry knows our ambitions fall well short of City, Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool. As far as I am concerned, I would be happy to win the league cup and finish 10th.

You grumble about us being in the Champions League which we can't win, but also think that we can't win the Prem. So what's the point of playing in the Prem then?

And those odds are primarily driven by the amounts of bets being placed by the public. It isn't a magic ball shared between bookmakers. Pundits consistently predict us to perform poorly and we consistently surprise them.

I understand the desire to win something, but would you honestly be happy winning the league cup and finishing 10th? It would mean no CL football the following year, a likely exodus of our better players and a struggle to sign top quality new players. Or are you just trolling!?

On a positive note... I think that retaining our best players (they haven't left yet at least!) has been a good achievement. I'm sure that when Poch spoke about being "brave" he meant trying to sign some top class players, but you could also say that avoiding the temptation to buy for the sake of buying would also be brave. Trust in our current squad and the youth coming through. Maybe that way too optimistic!!

 

[RichieS]

I get your point, but it is about expectations. Top four means absolutely nothing to me. It just means the chairman gets more money to share amongst the major shareholders, rather than to improve the squad, and we get to play in a competition we can't possibly win. I don't expect to win the league, in actual fact I don't expect to do as well as we have done the last three seasons. What I expect is a winning mentality, which the club still lacks. Despite finishing above Liverpool last year they are second favourites to win the league and we 5th. This is because the industry knows our ambitions fall well short of City, Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool. As far as I am concerned, I would be happy to win the league cup and finish 10th.

Hmm, ok. I get that we want different things, and that's fine. I just want to expound my thoughts a bit though.

What I want for my £1000 a year season ticket investment is to go along to games and see my team playing the best possible football which in my, perhaps more limited experience than yours given your username, opinion occurs when we have the best possible players. We remain in a position to attract and retain the best possible players by, at least partly, playing in the Champions' League consistently. Incidentally, I think Liverpool's run to the final last year (where they were beaten by a team we absolutely schooled in the group stage) should provide grounds for optimism rather than cause one to think "we can't possibly win" it - we were, after all, a better team than Liverpool last season as evidenced by our games against them and the final Premier League table.

Re: Levy and the shareholders - check our accounts and you will see this is not what happens.

Liverpool are always second favourites to win the league. It's as certain as death and taxes. Yet, over the last decade, we almost always finish above them and have won exactly the same number of trophies to boot.

 

[old spur]

You grumble about us being in the Champions League which we can't win, but also think that we can't win the Prem. So what's the point of playing in the Prem then?

And those odds are primarily driven by the amounts of bets being placed by the public. It isn't a magic ball shared between bookmakers. Pundits consistently predict us to perform poorly and we consistently surprise them.

I understand the desire to win something, but would you honestly be happy winning the league cup and finishing 10th? It would mean no CL football the following year, a likely exodus of our better players and a struggle to sign top quality new players. Or are you just trolling!?

On a positive note... I think that retaining our best players (they haven't left yet at least!) has been a good achievement. I'm sure that when Poch spoke about being "brave" he meant trying to sign some top class players, but you could also say that avoiding the temptation to buy for the sake of buying would also be brave. Trust in our current squad and the youth coming through. Maybe that way too optimistic!!

 

[old spur]

It makes adding to one's ignore list very easy though.

Having posted on many sites for many years, please believe me when I say it doesn't matter what people write on here. Being positive won't change what happens on the pitch. It is better to fear the worst and be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't happen, rather than to expect the best and be disappointed. My late father used to say "a pessimist is only an optimist with experience". Never a truer word said

 

[shelfboy68]

I don't understand this school of thought at all. If it were the case that football was solely about winning one or more of the (maximum) 4 "big" trophies available to English clubs every season, then the existence of all but about 6 of the 92 league clubs is ultimately pointless. What would be the purpose of supporting Yeovil Town, for example? Exeter City? Norwich City? Notts County?

Or west ham you forgot about the gypsy kings

 

[old spur]

Hmm, ok. I get that we want different things, and that's fine. I just want to expound my thoughts a bit though.

What I want for my £1000 a year season ticket investment is to go along to games and see my team playing the best possible football which in my, perhaps more limited experience than yours given your username, opinion occurs when we have the best possible players. We remain in a position to attract and retain the best possible players by, at least partly, playing in the Champions' League consistently. Incidentally, I think Liverpool's run to the final last year (where they were beaten by a team we absolutely schooled in the group stage) should provide grounds for optimism rather than cause one to think "we can't possibly win" it - we were, after all, a better team than Liverpool last season as evidenced by our games against them and the final Premier League table.

Re: Levy and the shareholders - check our accounts and you will see this is not what happens.

Liverpool are always second favourites to win the league. It's as certain as death and taxes. Yet, over the last decade, we almost always finish above them and have won exactly the same number of trophies to boot.

We may not be as far apart as you may think. I also have a season ticket, but don't share the same thoughts about the CL. In actual fact the only CL game I bothered going to last year was Real Madrid away, and that was more about a day out. To many supporters the CL is the holy grail, to me it is a big money making exercise. I agree with you that on paper we could have been in the final last year instead of Liverpool, but that goes back to another comment I made about the clubs mentality. Levy's only interest is about making money. In the years of Enic we have still only managed to win one league cup. Up until Harry, and then Poch, the club didn't grow. Levy does not have a winning attitude, and this gets passed on through the club. Now we even have a support base that don't appear to be bothered about winning things as long as we get the CL money. Sad really !!

 

[aliyid]

It is better to fear the worst and be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't happen, rather than to expect the best and be disappointed. My late father used to say "a pessimist is only an optimist with experience". Never a truer word said

I have a different viewpoint on this. If I was the type of fan that only got enjoyment out of lifting a trophy then I would have been miserable for all but 1 year of my life (born in ‘81 and the Micky Mouse cup doesn’t count as a real trophy)

I prefer to enjoy the journey and remember the days when I put my ‘hopes for the season’ to be “finishing with a positive goal difference”.

Glad to say I enjoy watching Spurs play and would hate us to play Mourinho style anti-football just to lift a cup

 

[old spur]

I have a different viewpoint on this. If I was the type of fan that only got enjoyment out of lifting a trophy then I would have been miserable for all but 1 year of my life (born in ‘81 and the Micky Mouse cup doesn’t count as a real trophy)

I prefer to enjoy the journey and remember the days when I put my ‘hopes for the season’ to be “finishing with a positive goal difference”.

Glad to say I enjoy watching Spurs play and would hate us to play Mourinho style anti-football just to lift a cup

I have a different viewpoint on this. If I was the type of fan that only got enjoyment out of lifting a trophy then I would have been miserable for all but 1 year of my life (born in ‘81 and the Micky Mouse cup doesn’t count as a real trophy)

I prefer to enjoy the journey and remember the days when I put my ‘hopes for the season’ to be “finishing with a positive goal difference”.

Glad to say I enjoy watching Spurs play and would hate us to play Mourinho style anti-football just to lift a cup

A generational thing I suppose. To me football is similar to sex. A season without a trophy is like sex without an orgasm (and I should know)

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Positivity=Denial

 

[riggi]

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

I get your point, but it is about expectations. Top four means absolutely nothing to me. It just means the chairman gets more money to share amongst the major shareholders, rather than to improve the squad, and we get to play in a competition we can't possibly win. I don't expect to win the league, in actual fact I don't expect to do as well as we have done the last three seasons. What I expect is a winning mentality, which the club still lacks. Despite finishing above Liverpool last year they are second favourites to win the league and we 5th. This is because the industry knows our ambitions fall well short of City, Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool. As far as I am concerned, I would be happy to win the league cup and finish 10th.

Hmm, I'd read the thread title again if I was you fella

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

If, as I suspect, anyone that replies to this with negative comments gets lambasted - does that mean we need a yin to this yang?

IE, a place where people are allowed to vent their frustration without the positive posse trying to prove them wrong?