Ratings vs Chelsea

[DiscoD1882]

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Noone on here seriously thought we would cause an upset because of one good performance against Everton did they?

It was David v Goliath!

....(Quote from yiddotilidie)

Yup and did David say , well I'm as strong as Goliath , I'm going to get my club and trade blows with him ? . No he chose a more long distance (dare I say counterattacking !) strategy . For Poch to try and outplay rampant Chelski at the Bridge tells me we have a rigidity problem at coach level . Poch has his style and thats what he's going to roll out whoever we play .

Keeping the religious theme didn't some prophet or other say ' Know thyself' . By anyone's reckoning we are weaker than Chelski
Poch must know this..why was this knowledge not included in his setup? His job is to get points on the board and adapting to the oppo is a central Head-coach trait imo .

Yes mate ,I see your comment re not having the players to play defensive/counterattack style . What ? and Sunderland do ?

Sunderland 'knew themselves' and adapted last week . A 0-0 with a twist of luck is a 1-0 win .

More pragmatism from Poch plz .

If Poch had set up for a draw last night he would have been ridiculed. you are dammed if you do you are dammed if you dont. We all know that we were going to lose last night. lets not kid ourselves. regardless of the setup. I prefered us going for it than losing rather than going out with a whimper and losing. at least for the last two games we have played high energy pressing football which alot of teams in the prem will struggle to play against

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

What's the best meditation music to wank to?

 

[thinktank]

Isn't that music to get your cock sucked by?

K, will give it a try. Back in a couple of hours.

 

[Gilzeanking]

@prawnsandwich
@SargeantMeatCurtains

If you want somewhere to troll and dish out abuse, SC isn't it. Cut it out please.

Yes , slightly unusual for match ratings thread . Its like the usual (and understandable) rough 'n tumble of the match day thread has spilled over into a usually more sedate ratings thread where peaceful debate generally rules the day . Unwelcome and disruptive imo .

 

[Blake Griffin]

If Poch had set up for a draw last night he would have been ridiculed. you are dammed if you do you are dammed if you dont. We all know that we were going to lose last night. lets not kid ourselves. regardless of the setup. I prefered us going for it than losing rather than going out with a whimper and losing. at least for the last two games we have played high energy pressing football which alot of teams in the prem will struggle to play against

only by the precious possession princesses among us. i loved how we set up vs arsenal, we should've setup similarly yesterday but c'est la vie.

 

[only1waddle]

There are no positives.

Your so black and white with your thinking Mr Sandwich..

 

[Cravenspurs]

Lloris = Belgian Wall

Chich < Ivanovic (not fair, but even if it was walker I would have Ivanovic over him)
Fazio < Terry (Terry is still there for a reason)
Verts = Cahill
Davies < Azpilicueta

Lamela < Hazard
Eriksen = Willian
Mason < Fabregas
Bentaleb < Matic
Lennon < Oscar

Kane < Drogba

I know that each player doesn't have the same role, but they are superior in every facet. This is why we lost. We just don't have the talent to compete with the top teams in Europe. Deal with it and support the team and manager we have. We are starting to play a more attractive style and I am excited about it.

 

[felmani26]

He's still young and will show real value in time, jh. He can't be blamed for the price we paid for him and shouldn't be punished for it. I think he deserves a proper full season before he's labelled and stuck in a jar.

I also want to see him when we are a proper, confident team. He came into a very unstable situation, I want to see him when we are stable and fully functional.

Next season will be different in a lot of ways imo. And I still think he'll be here, before you ask.

Tottenham? Stable?

 

[jezz]

We couldn't afford to spend that kind of money and not get a substantial return within six months, tt, let alone two seasons. I think that regardless of however good he might go on to be, he was the not the player we ought to have bought.

Putting his price tag to one side, I am sticking to my guns in saying that we haven't much choice but to persist with him when you look at the lack of attacking options we have.

What happened with Modric and Bale then?
6 months, talk about impatient.
We can't afford the Di Marias of the world and they won't come.
We bought a player in the Ronaldo Bale role.
They are young and needed guidance.
Lamela falls into that category and we knew it.
The current team is very young and he will grow with the others.
Be patient and I believe we will be rewarded big time.

 

[felmani26]

What happened with Modric and Bale then?
6 months, talk about impatient.
We can't afford the Di Marias of the world and they won't come.
We bought a player in the Ronaldo Bale role.
They are young and needed guidance.
Lamela falls into that category and we knew it.
The current team is very young and he will grow with the others.
Be patient and I believe we will be rewarded big time.

Lamela was already playing a prominent role at a top club in a top league before coming over to us.

Appreciate there has been huge upheaval at this club in a relative short space of time but how much more does Lamela have be fucking molly-coddled before we get a semblance of what we splashed 30 million big ones on him for?!

 

[Amo]

Pundits these days are just idiots.

I stopped listening to them ages ago, but it still pisses me off how many fans take their word as gospel. The new ones coming through (Jenas, Murphy, Neville to an extent) are much better imo. Needs some fresh faces.

Anyway, Bentaleb continues to impress me. Thought he was excellent tonight - I actually clapped when he did that touch running backwards, ran past Drogba and delivered the pass to Lennon. That was absolute class.

Special mention to Kane, no idea how he's not completely dead yet.

The rest were meh, I really don't think we played badly at all, and it's clear Poch's methods are slowly beginning to come across.

Gary or Phil Neville?

Gary Neville is superb, in my opinion.

 

[danielneeds]

Lamela was already playing a prominent role at a top club in a top league before coming over to us.

Appreciate there has been huge upheaval at this club in a relative short space of time but how much more does Lamela have be fucking molly-coddled before we get a semblance of what we splashed 30 million big ones on him for?!

I'm not in the pro or anti-Lamela camp, but I do think the only position he can play in the PL is a number 10, with a relative free licence. I think he needs a full season to really judge, and things like decision making, his goal ratio can clearly be improved on with good coaching and management.

The things that aren't going to improve are his frame and pace. He's not going to "bulk up" significantly as many people constantly plead for, if he did he'd just lose more mobility. He also doesn't have that burst of pace to get away from defenders, which all of the really top players do. His dribbling is also too slow and ponderous for the PL. Just like Eriksen, he'll be more effective, with the right players around him - ones who appreciate space, and ones with pace to stretch the game.

 

[Shea]

Lloris 5 Not a good game from the usually excellent keeper, especially his clearance that led to their second. bad day at the office
Davies 7 followed up his excellent performance against Everton with another strong display, starting to show why we signed him
Vertonghen 5 very poor last night. Weak for Drogba's goal, terrible for Remy's and out of sorts all game
Fazio 7 Like Davies he followed up his excellent performance vs Everton with another solid display and is also starting to justify his purchase
Chiriches 6 He didn't play well but he wasn't terrible either. Out of position he put in a shift for the team on a hard nights work
Mason 6 Was always going to be tough against a team like Chelsea, he was sloppy at times and their midfield got the better of him. Still played well enough I thought but not at the standard we've become accustom to from him
Bentaleb 8 Superb last night, held his own against one of the best teams in Europe and is really starting to grow as a player and prove his worth. Looked a gem for the future of the club last night My MOTM
Lennon 6 failed to really make an impression on the game, in truth their defense was majestic and a wall as soon as they took the lead and none of our attacking players really had a clue how to breach it
Lamela 6 in himself he wasn't terrible, played some neat safe passes without ever looking dangerous or direct enough to make things happen. Was a bad decision to play him in my eyes, we should have kept the same line up and formation to allow Soldado to build on the confidence gained by winning possession (it's not like adding Lamela in the mix made us more competitive off the ball for example)
Eriksen 5 not involved at all, game passed him by. Failed to make anything happen and was outclassed by the Chelsea stars
Kane 8 he is looking more and more like a star, surely will earn an England cap soon if he continues to play like this. Strong, determined, direct.....he makes things happen. Was unlucky not to score twice and had his header been half an inch lower the game could have been very different

None of the subs really made an impression. Chadli and Paulinho both played well enough (6's) and tried to make inroads in the Chelsea defense but they were on lock down and were never looking like being trouble by this time. Too comfortable for my liking. Soldado was given no time to make an impression and made none....should have started instead of Lamela as he'd earned a starting birth against Everton and may have made the attacking play a little bit more dynamic early doors when the game was still a contest

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I'm not in the pro or anti-Lamela camp, but I do think the only position he can play in the PL is a number 10, with a relative free licence. I think he needs a full season to really judge, and things like decision making, his goal ratio can clearly be improved on with good coaching and management.

The things that aren't going to improve are his frame and pace. He's not going to "bulk up" significantly as many people constantly plead for, if he did he'd just lose more mobility. He also doesn't have that burst of pace to get away from defenders, which all of the really top players do. His dribbling is also too slow and ponderous for the PL. Just like Eriksen, he'll be more effective, with the right players around him - ones who appreciate space, and ones with pace to stretch the game.

Do you have an opinion on this notion that Eriksen and Lamela do not complement each other, @danielneeds ?

 

[Shea]

I'm not in the pro or anti-Lamela camp, but I do think the only position he can play in the PL is a number 10, with a relative free licence. I think he needs a full season to really judge, and things like decision making, his goal ratio can clearly be improved on with good coaching and management.

The things that aren't going to improve are his frame and pace. He's not going to "bulk up" significantly as many people constantly plead for, if he did he'd just lose more mobility. He also doesn't have that burst of pace to get away from defenders, which all of the really top players do. His dribbling is also too slow and ponderous for the PL. Just like Eriksen, he'll be more effective, with the right players around him - ones who appreciate space, and ones with pace to stretch the game.

He doesn't need to bulk up for mass - he needs to train for explosive power and core strength/stability

It wouldn't significantly increase his body mass and it wouldn't comprimise his mobility at all. Just make him more explosive and able to burst through and make things happen.

C.Ronaldo and Bale are perfect examples of players who increase their explosive power and as a result progressed rapidly as a footballer by this new found power enabling them to utilise their natural talent in physical games

I tend to agree that he is best suited as a number 10 and I think the biggest problem is going to be fitting him in to a system that both gets the best out of him and makes the team as effective as it can be as a unit. His future may come down to weather the manager wants to build the team around him or cut our losses with him and buy someone more suited to the defined roles required for the managers way of playing

 

[parklane1]

I thought Fazio did very well tonight.

I agree, he was MOM for me.

 

[spursbri111]

We were fucking shit-let's agree that and make sure we are not fucking shit again.

we played with high energy against one of the best teams in europe at their home ground and matched them for most of the game. i can see improvement in the last few matches. but with your detailed review and expert analysis i can see where your coming from

 

[danielneeds]

Do you have an opinion on this notion that Eriksen and Lamela do not complement each other, @danielneeds ?

Yeah, I don't think the balance of this team works with both. Not to say they cannot play together, of course they can, but I think we look worse with both playing. Kane, Eriksen and Lennon behind a striker has a far better blend of power, pace and guile. I'm not writing Lamela off, although I don't think he'll ever be a world superstar, Ballon D'Or nominee, etc, he's got some real ability.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Lloris = Belgian Wall

Chich < Ivanovic (not fair, but even if it was walker I would have Ivanovic over him)
Fazio < Terry (Terry is still there for a reason)
Verts = Cahill
Davies < Azpilicueta

Lamela < Hazard
Eriksen = Willian
Mason < Fabregas
Bentaleb < Matic
Lennon < Oscar

Kane < Drogba

I know that each player doesn't have the same role, but they are superior in every facet. This is why we lost. We just don't have the talent to compete with the top teams in Europe. Deal with it and support the team and manager we have. We are starting to play a more attractive style and I am excited about it.

i would not argue particularly on a 1 - 1 comparison but it is about the team more than the players

Last night Chelski showed that they are not a team in the making but have been playing this way for a while Costa and Fabregas were simply improvements on previous personnel I happen to think that Matic makes a difference ( as did Yaya Tuore for Citeh last season) We do need a dominant player in that hub role Mason and Bentelab are doing well for youngsters but are a bit of a way off at present.
i also think the full backs are very important parts of their team Looking forward to Walker and Davies making more of their role in future

 

[felmani26]

I'm not in the pro or anti-Lamela camp, but I do think the only position he can play in the PL is a number 10, with a relative free licence. I think he needs a full season to really judge, and things like decision making, his goal ratio can clearly be improved on with good coaching and management.

The things that aren't going to improve are his frame and pace. He's not going to "bulk up" significantly as many people constantly plead for, if he did he'd just lose more mobility. He also doesn't have that burst of pace to get away from defenders, which all of the really top players do. His dribbling is also too slow and ponderous for the PL. Just like Eriksen, he'll be more effective, with the right players around him - ones who appreciate space, and ones with pace to stretch the game.

Is he really a number 10 either considering his decision making in the final third is abysmal - or relatively so considering his price tag.

He doesn't possess a great amount of pace, nor beats his man. Hasn't got a great passing range coupled with some atrocious underhit/overhit decision making in the final third and currently doesn't look like developing into a prolific goal scorer from wide either.

Look, I'm not saying he's complete and utter horse shit but he needs to display an awful lot more than what he's currently serving us with and IMO is classed with Dembele - style over substance.