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If we spent £30million for a marginal improvement on Lennon then that's a damning indictment of our transfer policy if ever I saw one!
And that's a whole different, but valid debate.
If we spent £30million for a marginal improvement on Lennon then that's a damning indictment of our transfer policy if ever I saw one!
Nail on head.
We've been doing things wrong for several seasons now. We buy players for the sake of buying players. We should be buying players to play in a specific position which is also their natural position, which fits into a system they're comfortable with.
We don't buy the right players for whatever system we seem to be trying to implement, on a regular basis.
And that's a whole different, but valid debate.
I'll be genuinely surprised if, come the end of the season, Lennon matches Lamela's goals/assists contribution given the same number of minutes played (roughly).
Lennon's been one of the most unproductive players at the club for at least a couple of years.
Yup, but you would hope the £30m players would help lead us to a better standard of team play. However at the moment it seems to be the Spurs developed Kane, Bentaleb and Mason with the less expensive Eriksen et al
One game got any others?
Adam Lallana who cost the same with proven EPL experience.
Struggling to adapt to a new EPL team.
Nope I think the Southampton, Sunderland games we played brilliantly and better.Was Everton our best performance of the season jezz? Right or wrong?
If so, why do we need other examples of us looking better with Lennon?
Infact, how can we have other examples if Lennon has barely played this season?
Same team as last Sunday please Poch (Dont bring on Lamela at 60 again though)
See aboveOkay, this is a semi-relevant parallel here Herr Jezz. But Lallana for 4 months versus Lamela at a year and 4 months is not quite the same...
...and style points to you for an alliterative parallel exemplified in your post
most ratings for Lamela for this match are 5s and 6s, so he did not have a great game... let's see how he does tomorrow. Maybe he should come off the bench for Lennon in the 60th minute?... I know you expect him to start, but he can be effective off the bench as well...
Still counting last year?Okay, this is a semi-relevant parallel here Herr Jezz. But Lallana for 4 months versus Lamela at a year and 4 months is not quite the same...
...and style points to you for an alliterative parallel exemplified in your post
most ratings for Lamela for this match are 5s and 6s, so he did not have a great game... let's see how he does tomorrow. Maybe he should come off the bench for Lennon in the 60th minute?... I know you expect him to start, but he can be effective off the bench as well...
I think he will if we're patient.
We've paid for the potential so I don't see the problem with remaining patient, certainly up until now anyway. His circumstances are different to the ones you've listed as well. New country, doesn't speak the language and was injured for most of last season, which has been stated repeatedly
Whilst he wasn't playing much last season, he's now been in the UK for almost 18 months - so he should certainly be familar with English (at least enough to get by in understanding it even if not fluent) by now and if he's not, then its going to be a long time before he is.
Equally although injured for a good part of last season, he was certainly training for part of it - and played a couple of games - plus would have had plenty of time to study videos of PL games, showing him how hard and physical it can be versus the Italien league so he should have had some time aclimatising last season - this season would not have been such a step up as someone coming to the PL brand new a couple of months ago.
So coming into this season fit and partly aclimatised, I would expect to see somethng from Lamela - but all I have seen have been glimpses, and most of the glimpses have been in cup/EL games against lesser opposition, which means he does need to step up to the PL standard or we have another Sergei Rebrov, Gio Dos Santos type issue - great in foreign leagues but not in PL matches which are fast phsical and sometimes 3 times a week.
yes, lennon should've done better in that instance, just like lamela should've done better against arsenal and city. i don't know what relevance lennon's previous 250 games has on who is better for the team right now so i wish you'd stop bringing up such a nonsensical point. i wouldn't be against both lennon and lamela playing in the same team were it not for eriksen and kane being much better/more effective players than lamela currently, not to mention chadli. i want lennon in the team at this moment, we have little pace without him, he opens up the game for others around him, he's a more effective presser and his teammates trust that he'll make the right decision more often than not even if it is usually the safer choice.
I get all that, but until the 'team' are playing with more consistency, in terms of Pochettino's style, I don't see the point in being overly critical at this stage. Forget last season.
For instance, if we keep up what we saw on Sunday for the majority of the season and Lamela is still flattering to deceive in such a framework/structure I'd be getting critical as well.
All I'm saying is lets see how we continue, as a team - far more important at this juncture anyway, before we scrutinize Lamela's performances too intensely.
And let's not forget how most us were hoping and even expecting him to kick on under an Argentinian manager.Whilst he wasn't playing much last season, he's now been in the UK for almost 18 months - so he should certainly be familar with English (at least enough to get by in understanding it even if not fluent) by now and if he's not, then its going to be a long time before he is.
Equally although injured for a good part of last season, he was certainly training for part of it - and played a couple of games - plus would have had plenty of time to study videos of PL games, showing him how hard and physical it can be versus the Italien league so he should have had some time aclimatising last season - this season would not have been such a step up as someone coming to the PL brand new a couple of months ago.
So coming into this season fit and partly aclimatised, I would expect to see somethng from Lamela - but all I have seen have been glimpses, and most of the glimpses have been in cup/EL games against lesser opposition, which means he does need to step up to the PL standard or we have another Sergei Rebrov, Gio Dos Santos type issue - great in foreign leagues but not in PL matches which are fast phsical and sometimes 3 times a week.
I'd put it slightly differently.
Is the £26m/£30m Lamela a sufficient upgrade on the £1m Lennon, can we see the multiple times as good player we should have got for that.
Lamela gave us much more in that game, and that shouldn't be the case when comparing a 22yo in his second season, and a 27yo with nine years experience.
So it's not just about the fact that I believe Lamela is providing more already, it's about how much more he could provide, if like Bale, we give him time and good coaching. Undoubtedly more than Lennon.
Why did you call me two-bob, BC?
Yes, Lennon was poor but what did Lamela give us against Chelsea? Was he there just to help us keep the score down?
I'm not sure why all the focus is on Lamela here. Eriksen has chipped in with a few goals recently but I'd say the majority of his performances this season in the league have been equally unconvincing.