Ratings vs Liverpool

[Bus-Conductor]

You may well be right mate, I'm confident in Pochettino to find the solution's. even if it just means trying to get better at playing the way he wants.

People won't like it but it's quite telling that when asked if the team were too high in the post match press conference he said they were in fact too deep.

I'd go along with that, or more to the point, without the ball we were too deep, or too stretched, instead of being vertically compact without the ball. But part of the cause of that was Pochettino's selection and application, just as it was at City.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

The high line killed us but losing so many second balls was right up there as a factor. And we were suicidally open.

 

[Bulletspur]

I think the main difference was Mane on the day

Yes they out pressed us in general too (although a Mane was also a big part of that)

It was his outlet, with his high pace high energy running that had us rocking the whole time while whenever we had the ball there was very little in terms of a forward out ball for our players which forced us to delay the pass and make it easier for their pressing

If the summer window had been them being fooled in to buying Sissoko due to his great form at the Euros and us being clear to sign Mane then I firmly believe it would have been us tearing them to shreds instead

A fine margin but one that really highlights what we are missing right now

You are so stating the obvious about Mane. I saw it coming most on here saw it coming as soon as we saw the team sheet and formation. The only one who apparently didnt see it is Poch. If he saw it he either under estimated Mane or Over rated Davies.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

That performance, and the City one, were like the many Redknapp performances away at big sides. A tactical vortex.

Spot on. I thought we had seen the last of the days when we had to close our eyes and hope for the best against the big sides.

Also, as I have said elsewhere, the fact City/Liverpool used the same tactic against us but we started with different formations in both shows it was purely the shape that was a problem. Our players and management have to learn how to ve more flexible and adapt quickly to situations rather than just looking like rabbits caught in headlights - but I guess that comes with experience that both the team and Poch lack.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

You are so stating the obvious about Mane. I saw it coming most on here saw it coming as soon as we saw the team sheet and formation. The only one who apparently didnt see it is Poch. If he saw it he either under estimated Mane or Over rated Davies.

Even if Rose had played we still would have struggled to contain mane. The key to playing against pace is to cut off the supply line and our major problem was our central mids kept losing the ball in critical areas, leaving Mane and Clyne free to double up on Davies. IIRC it was a similar story when we played Liverpool at home but we managed to ride our luck and scrap it out a bit more.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

How very disturbing. I'd love to know where you got your figures from regarding the size of a scouse council estate mums minge as opposed to the minge of a scouse mum in private housing, although I suspect the 6 kids has something to with your view that a council estate mum has a minge like a bill posters paste bucket

Perhaps a country wide survey is in order?

Why conduct a survey when you can make up facts and use them to purvey your agenda.

E.g. Spurs can't win the title because they lose away to their rivals.

Ignoring that Chelsea have lost away to Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Why conduct a survey when you can make up facts and use them to purvey your agenda.

E.g. Spurs can't win the title because they lose away to their rivals.

Ignoring that Chelsea have lost away to Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool...

I have an agenda?

 

[elDiablo]

One bad performance and I've seen people wanting to sign Demari Grey and Andre Grey. Good grief

You're forgetting Christian

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I have an agenda?

No I do you silly malaka. I call it the anti Scouse doctrine of 2016.

 

[whitesocks]

You are so stating the obvious about Mane. I saw it coming most on here saw it coming as soon as we saw the team sheet and formation. The only one who apparently didnt see it is Poch. If he saw it he either under estimated Mane or Over rated Davies.

MP saw it coming and switched the CBs.
Neither are left sided players but as the far better CB, you'd think you'd want Alderweireld on the left marking Mane. But MP saw it differently.
We can only guess, but maybe MP figured in the absence of Rose and Vertonghen, Mane would destroy whoever we put out there. So he kept Alderweireld in the middle to pick up the pieces, and with Dembele arguably often a 3rd CB we might hold it together.
And if Wanyama and Dier had not made basic errors, the tactic could have got us in at half time 0-0.

Despite plan B working well, Klopp switched back to a variation of plan A in the second half and played Mane on our right against Alderweireld. And he was kept pretty quiet! That does not make Klopp wrong, as they had the 2 goal cushion and their job was just to see the game out, which they did and were never threatened.

As others have said our front 3 were more of a tactical mess. Getting Alli or Son to be disciplined is hopeless - Son is away with the fairies and Alli learnt to play on the streets - but it is hard for MP to do anything about it as they have been scoring important goals. And another day both could have scored against liverpool like they both did away to man city.

 

[Shadydan]

MP saw it coming and switched the CBs.
Neither are left sided players but as the far better CB, you'd think you'd want Alderweireld on the left marking Mane. But MP saw it differently.
We can only guess, but maybe MP figured in the absence of Rose and Vertonghen, Mane would destroy whoever we put out there. So he kept Alderweireld in the middle to pick up the pieces, and with Dembele arguably often a 3rd CB we might hold it together.
And if Wanyama and Dier had not made basic errors, the tactic could have got us in at half time 0-0.

Despite plan B working well, Klopp switched back to a variation of plan A in the second half and played Mane on our right against Alderweireld. And he was kept pretty quiet! That does not make Klopp wrong, as they had the 2 goal cushion and their job was just to see the game out, which they did and were never threatened.

As others have said our front 3 were more of a tactical mess. Getting Alli or Son to be disciplined is hopeless - Son is away with the fairies and Alli learnt to play on the streets - but it is hard for MP to do anything about it as they have been scoring important goals. And another day both could have scored against liverpool like they both did away to man city.

I doubt it, they were all over us like a rash despite those 2 errors, I think a goal would have come either way.

 

[whitesocks]

I doubt it, they were all over us like a rash despite those 2 errors, I think a goal would have come either way.

To be fair to MP, it was a defensive problem that did not have an easy solution.
I'm just suggesting a reason why MP made the change he did.
Our best chance was to break their press, and control the game, but there is not much chance of that with so many having a bad game. If we had been 3 points behind chelsea, then they'd have been more motivated.
It is a common problem amongst the premiership teams at the top - they want to win the league and once that is no longer an option, they lose interest. Liverpool had to have a mini crisis to summon up the will power for this game.

 

[Shadydan]

To be fair to MP, it was a defensive problem that did not have an easy solution.
I'm just suggesting a reason why MP made the change he did.
Our best chance was to break their press, and control the game, but there is not much chance of that with so many having a bad game. If we had been 3 points behind chelsea, then they'd have been more motivated.
It is a common problem amongst the premiership teams at the top - they want to win the league and once that is no longer an option, they lose interest. Liverpool had to have a mini crisis to summon up the will power for this game.

Our easiest solution is to setup and contain and hit them on the break...literally every team that beat them this season have done the same thing, no reason why we couldn't.

 

[Bobbins]

One potentially small positive from this result is that it's highly likely teams will look at our performance and tactics, look at the tactics of the teams who Liverpool have had poor results against recently, and adapt their tactics accordingly. Hopefully no-one else will be stupid enough to come out and let them play and everyone will instead sit back and frustrate them and hit them on the counter. We need some other teams to do us some favours against them.