Ratings vs Man Utd

[EastLondonYid]

Dembele MOM ....others stepped up and took the limelight after 25 mins....but when Utd were on top Moussa was the one that got hold of the game for us and stopped Utd..imo

 

[EastLondonYid]

Lets be totally honest. For 70 minutes that was a pretty messy pile of wank. I was at he game and the levels of frustration amongst the crowd was palpable. the CB's were OK, Eriksen saw more ball than anyone in the team, played a marvellous ball that Lamela should have scored from and effectively won the game with that brilliant pass for Alli's goal, Rose was putting a shift in, but for 70 minutes it was hard to say anyone was playing "well".

During that first 70 minutes, Dier looked the most like a CB playing as a CM, probably since the opening day of the season. Dembele did the odd good thing but was also fucking around, over running or running into traffic and turning over the ball, Alli's seemed unable to control anything, Lamela was inspirational without the ball (9 fucking tackles for an AM - for anyone - is outstanding) but with the ball was hapless, Kane kept turning into players and Walker was like a turtle in a fucking windsock.

ManU were by far the better side for the first 25 minutes, looked sharper, slicker and more purposeful. We then got into the game and probably edged the next 20 minutes, and were unlucky not to score as Lamela wasted a wonderful pass from Eriksen.

The first 25 minutes of the second half were pretty atrocious from both teams, both had the odd moment, but by and large it looked like two teams high on endeavour, low on ideas and composure.

None of us really saw what was coming. Within 6 minutes we'd routed them good and proper, three finishes of the highest order, and really could have had a couple more. They just collapsed and we visibly grew in confidence and just cruised the last fifteen minutes.

It was typically Lamela hustling to win a ball that began the first, Kane helped and fed Eriksen who, with the games most sublime moment, fed a delicious ball into Alli to ram home.

That signalled a cavalry charge to the end of the game where we just went at them relentlessly and tore them apart. Great ball in by Lamela was finished well by Alderweireld, and then a a firm cross pass from he industrious Rose was clipped crisply, first time by Lamela into the bottom corner - a goal his industry deserved.

I was there the last time we beat Utd. I've waited a long time to see it again. So had most of those around me. That last 20 minutes was a feeding frenzy, each goal celebrated more vehemently than last, the atmosphere turned from edgy frustration to carnivorous carnival as the carcass of an old and bitter foe was devoured. Songs were ringing out from every corner of the ground. We all walked out with the satisfied grins of those who had feasted after a long famine.

But for 70 minutes it was pretty much a beggars banquet.

Individual stuff

Lloris - Not much to do really.

Walker - Back to his slapstick worst today mostly.

Aldereireld - OK, pretty solid, took his goal well.

Vertonghen - Like he'd never been away.

Rose - Industrious. Good ball for the third.

Dier - Very ploddy and really struggled to cope with ManU's vigour for long spells. Pretty poor game for much of it.

Dembele - Some good stuff, the odd moment of composed clarity amidst the maelstrom, but some dithering and twisting and turning into traffic too, he also mis-controlled horribly when clean through. he too struggled to cope with the frenetic nature if the game for certain spells, I don't think he was great today overall, but had good moments and finished the game strongly.

Lamela - Top marks for what he did without the ball, but superb finish and nice free kick in for the second aside he was pretty poor with the ball for much of that game.

Alli - Another pretty poor game with the ball, not even that great without the ball, but pops up in the right place with that vital first goal.

Eriksen - Some frustrating moments as he too struggled to cope with the intense physicality of this tussle at times, but overall he has to be MOTM. Saw more ball than all of the CM/AM/Forward's, set up that all important first goal that opened the floodgates with an inch perfect ball that was difficult to execute and should have already had an assist for the game's other best pass to Lamela.

Kane - Not his best game, frequently trying to dribble where there was no space to dribble, but as ever, he worked for the team.

You still sitting behind that pillar in the east stand?.....The Walker and Dembele comments confirm it...

No pleasing some folk...

 

[cliff jones]

I voted Lamela but I am fascinated by the contribution of Moussa - not just in this game- because he does so much that is good and dominant. His balance is extraordinary, his strength immense and his retention of possession is an example to the rest of the team. I'd really like to see 8 to 10 goals per season from him to call him the complete player.

I remember reading somewhere that he had been considered a potential Real Madrid recruit because of his on-the-ball skills.

I sincerely believe we are a better side when he plays.

Totally unreasonable to suggest he needs to chip in the number of goals an am would be proud of given his role in the team. To become a complete player?. Why even bring that up? its a nonsense.

How many dms in world football, past and preferable present, shield the defence, retain posession and move the ball forward so effectively as he did when we finally overwhelmed them yesterday? and score that many goals???

He's told to hold, does so responsibly and only rarely finds himself within range of a long poke. But even then he follows instructions, trying to get rose in behind or eriksen half a yard for a shot or cross. He plays for the team.

He is the complete dm already.

 

[Ironskullll]

That was like old Utd/Spurs in reverse. Start well, don't take game's best chance up to that point, then concede and collapse, ending up far inferior. Lovely to be on other side of it, long time coming

Was just about to post exactly the same thing. I've lost count over the years of the number of times where this has been the case. Eventually you realise that it's one of the hallmarks of the really good teams. It SEEMS as though things are even, but they just aren't, and then comes the tipping point. Meanwhile the inferior side somehow convince themselves that things were closer than they really were, that they were unlucky and so on. Then it happens again.

 

[MrWoolley]

Lamela was MOTM yesterday for me, but once again so many candidates.

 

[THOWIG]

It was one of those games where the ball just wouldn't stick. It was scrappy and for the first 25 minutes Man U were all over us, but we never looked in danger. Again we needed someone in the middle of the park to control the game and someone in the final third to offer a bit more craft.

I thought Lamela, Rose and Alderweireld were outstanding.

Think the midfield was sloppy and failed to get a grip in the game. Alli in all honesty I thought was poor until he scored and then he woke up, but we will get performances like this from him. I'm not sure what his best position is?

This team has the foundations for something really special.

 

[spursZed]

MOTM- Lamela.

 

[sirleytonbrisbane]

We looked anxious and nervous in first 25 minutes. Toby and Dembele really held it together for us in that perios and Dembele was the only decent midfiled outlet for most of that time.
After that it got scappy and Rose and Eriksen started to come into the game more and started to open Man U up. As Marshial got pushed back Walker also came into the game.

Their young front 3 pressed hard to break up our possession football.

Kane did well despite Smalling being all over him and not gettng much from the ref.

Thought Lamela had a stinker in the first half displaying his frustrating side (losing possession, hanging ont the ball too long, poor positioning, lack of pace) but was the best I've seen from him in the second half with a really positive and creative performance.

We won that game based on our centre backs dominating their forwards. They didn't get a look in (well one) and when they started to tire our fitter more creative players really came into their own.

Toby was MoTM for me. Totally dominant at the back and a goal. what more could you want.

Dele Alli did that thing he does sometimes of having a poor game then making the game changing moment. For a nineteen year old he's been pretty fucking amazing.

 

[bceej]

Lets be totally honest. For 70 minutes that was a pretty messy pile of wank. I was at he game and the levels of frustration amongst the crowd was palpable. the CB's were OK, Eriksen saw more ball than anyone in the team, played a marvellous ball that Lamela should have scored from and effectively won the game with that brilliant pass for Alli's goal, Rose was putting a shift in, but for 70 minutes it was hard to say anyone was playing "well".

During that first 70 minutes, Dier looked the most like a CB playing as a CM, probably since the opening day of the season. Dembele did the odd good thing but was also fucking around, over running or running into traffic and turning over the ball, Alli's seemed unable to control anything, Lamela was inspirational without the ball (9 fucking tackles for an AM - for anyone - is outstanding) but with the ball was hapless, Kane kept turning into players and Walker was like a turtle in a fucking windsock.

ManU were by far the better side for the first 25 minutes, looked sharper, slicker and more purposeful. We then got into the game and probably edged the next 20 minutes, and were unlucky not to score as Lamela wasted a wonderful pass from Eriksen.

The first 25 minutes of the second half were pretty atrocious from both teams, both had the odd moment, but by and large it looked like two teams high on endeavour, low on ideas and composure.

None of us really saw what was coming. Within 6 minutes we'd routed them good and proper, three finishes of the highest order, and really could have had a couple more. They just collapsed and we visibly grew in confidence and just cruised the last fifteen minutes.

It was typically Lamela hustling to win a ball that began the first, Kane helped and fed Eriksen who, with the games most sublime moment, fed a delicious ball into Alli to ram home.

That signalled a cavalry charge to the end of the game where we just went at them relentlessly and tore them apart. Great ball in by Lamela was finished well by Alderweireld, and then a a firm cross pass from he industrious Rose was clipped crisply, first time by Lamela into the bottom corner - a goal his industry deserved.

I was there the last time we beat Utd. I've waited a long time to see it again. So had most of those around me. That last 20 minutes was a feeding frenzy, each goal celebrated more vehemently than last, the atmosphere turned from edgy frustration to carnivorous carnival as the carcass of an old and bitter foe was devoured. Songs were ringing out from every corner of the ground. We all walked out with the satisfied grins of those who had feasted after a long famine.

But for 70 minutes it was pretty much a beggars banquet.

Individual stuff

Lloris - Not much to do really.

Walker - Back to his slapstick worst today mostly.

Aldereireld - OK, pretty solid, took his goal well.

Vertonghen - Like he'd never been away.

Rose - Industrious. Good ball for the third.

Dier - Very ploddy and really struggled to cope with ManU's vigour for long spells. Pretty poor game for much of it.

Dembele - Some good stuff, the odd moment of composed clarity amidst the maelstrom, but some dithering and twisting and turning into traffic too, he also mis-controlled horribly when clean through. he too struggled to cope with the frenetic nature if the game for certain spells, I don't think he was great today overall, but had good moments and finished the game strongly.

Lamela - Top marks for what he did without the ball, but superb finish and nice free kick in for the second aside he was pretty poor with the ball for much of that game.

Alli - Another pretty poor game with the ball, not even that great without the ball, but pops up in the right place with that vital first goal.

Eriksen - Some frustrating moments as he too struggled to cope with the intense physicality of this tussle at times, but overall he has to be MOTM. Saw more ball than all of the CM/AM/Forward's, set up that all important first goal that opened the floodgates with an inch perfect ball that was difficult to execute and should have already had an assist for the game's other best pass to Lamela.

Kane - Not his best game, frequently trying to dribble where there was no space to dribble, but as ever, he worked for the team.

I know it's an old tune now but our fitness saw us through. For the first 60/70 minutes United tried to match our intensity, and it did make life difficult for us. However, they hit a wall, we didn't and the rest is history.

 

[King of Otters]

I've questioned Lamela at times this season but I thought he was fantastic yesterday. His industry was relentless and intelligently applied, while his quality went a long way to winning us the match.

Fair play Eric, fair play.

 

[jezz]

I've questioned Lamela at times this season but I thought he was fantastic yesterday. His industry was relentless and intelligently applied, while his quality went a long way to winning us the match.

Fair play Eric, fair play.

its Erik mate just saying

 

[Borks]

its Erik mate just saying

Is Erik mate a chess term for pressing high up the board?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

You still sitting behind that pillar in the east stand?.....The Walker and Dembele comments confirm it...

No pleasing some folk...

For the evolution of this side, I think our fullbacks need to be better.

 

[jezz]

Is Erik mate a chess term for pressing high up the board?

Hey that's good,maybe @UpTownSpur can add this to his Lamela proverbs.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Beautifully worded piece on the game.

As part of a new series on FourFourTwo.com, Seb Stafford-Bloor evaluates a thumping win at White Hart Lane...
Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...urs-will-they-be-upstaged#qxukPzgO5bXoJbCJ.99

What went well

The obvious. The 3-0 victory on Sunday wasn't so much a simple win as it was a vanquishing of Tottenham's recent past. Home games against Manchester United over the last 15 years have created nothing but a cruel list of associations: mental fragility, perceived injustice and under-performance.

This, then, was the counter-thrust; an affirmation of just how different this team is and how impervious they now are to those old dangers.

Spurs started badly – or, at least, United began well. The opening phases of the game rang with inevitability and, with Leicester having cleared another hurdle in the north-east, the home side looked drained of momentum. The visitors pressed and hassled in the opening 20 minutes, denying their hosts the space or time in their own half and preventing them from finding any cohesive rhythm.

But maybe that served to illustrate one of the key differences between traditional and contemporary Spurs – this team knows how to recalibrate, and how to shift its gears to suit the changing terrain.

That warmed the heart. This has, for a long time, been a frail side lacking the personality and situational intelligence to adjust to adversity and fight back against it. Theirs have been players who accept defeat and who, when confronted with a team of substance, have been too eager to fall on their own sword.

So how cathartic it was to watch that reversed. How often have Tottenham started well against a celebrated opponent before allowing a mistake to jolt them from their stride? Go back to the season reviews and take note of how many 1-0 deficits became humbling 3-0 losses within the blink of an eye. Not on Sunday, though. It was United who buckled and Spurs who, having survived those tricky opening rounds, had the power to unleash a flurry of crippling body shots to a wilting opponent.

It's always nice to end an embarrassing sequence of results, but especially sweet to do it in a way that provided such definitive closure.

 

[Derp]

I just finished watching the match again and i have honestly no idea how so many can have Lamela as MotM. He gave the ball away so many times, probably the reason why he had to tackle so much. No way can you get MotM in my eyes when you have 50% pass completion and not a single chance created from open play. He has gone from being underrated to overrated this season. There must be something in between.

On further review Dembele, Toby and Eriksen gets bumped up. Dembele and Eriksen way too underrated. Eriksen was clearly the best player on the pitch.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I just finished watching the match again and i have honestly no idea how so many can have Lamela as MotM. He gave the ball away so many times, probably the reason why he had to tackle so much. No way can you get MotM in my eyes when you have 50% pass completion and not a single chance created from open play. He has gone from being underrated to overrated this season. There must be something in between.

On further review Dembele, Toby and Eriksen gets bumped up. Dembele and Eriksen way too underrated. Eriksen was clearly the best player on the pitch.

You could have contributed the 2nd paragraph without the first....

 

[Derp]

You could have contributed the 2nd paragraph without the first....

Well this is where we discuss the players ratings and MotM. Positive and negative. I just disagree in Lamela being MotM.

 

[SlotBadger]

No way can you get MotM in my eyes when you have 50% pass completion and not a single chance created from open play.

50% pass completion / 100% involvement in all 3 goals.

 

[Derp]

50% pass completion / 100% involvement in all 3 goals.

That is true, but that doesn't make him MotM in my eyes. The last goal was a great run and finish though.