Flashspur
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Match Ratings Ratings vs Newport County
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tiger666
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KWP was having a shocker and deserved to come off. As for you calling Kane a plank, well that speaks for itself.
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We’ve been a tad unlucky with weather and pitches last month. No matter what the weather you wouldn’t expect dodgy pitches in PL but apparently Southampton was worse than last night. And fortunately came through the monsoon at Swansea. Players are so pampered conditions wise these days it must be a real shock to play on a crap surface they literally never have to face it. What ever the Calibre Of sportsman playing on a dodgy wicket will seriously affect your performance.cricket golf F1 you always see crazy outcomes when conditions are dodgy
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I thought the only player who looked like he gave a damn about the game first half was Dembele. Technically he was pretty poor, but at least he showed fight and wasn't scared to get muddy and got stuck in.
KWP looked like he was cold and did not want to be out there. I think he needs a loan to a lower league club to toughen him up a bit.
Dier simply wasn't up for it first half. He's a big tough lad but looked like bambi on ice at the back. Foyth also looked easily rattled first half, but was probably our best player 2nd half. Verts was another who looked like he did not want to be out there first half. I do have some sympathy with the CBs and CMs as we tried to play the ball out form the back on a crap pitch and there was zero movement from our FBs or forwards. Kane and Llorente were shocking first half.
Wanyama - he was very bad. The worst bit was in the first half when he was dispossessed easily and turned ot the ref asking for a foul. He needs to realise he's our destroyer and he's not to try and score 25 yard worldies but put a shift in and win the ball. Poch needs to have a long chat with him as he should be one of the first names on the team sheet but has not shown anything really this season.
I thought Kane was pretty shocking for the first hour. He did not harry, press and lead from the front like he can. But hey ho, he scored a goal and got us out of jail.
Llorente is simply not the right player for the way we play. We need to get more crosses in, but it doesn't help that when we have it wide he rarely breaks his neck to get in the middle.
Most of my criticism is reserved for Poch. He picked the wrong team by a country mile. I think we all knew what was coming when we saw the line up. 5 defenders, 2 DCMs , plus Sissoko. Away at a league 2 club. I wouldn't have minded if the plan was a physical battle, but we played like primadonas who did not want to get our shorts muddy. Yesterday I would have gained a lot more respect for Poch if he'd made change after 30 minutes and admitted he got his tactics wrong. His team selections are becoming worrying. At least he made the change at HT this time instead of waiting until the 80th minute.
KWP looked like he was cold and did not want to be out there. I think he needs a loan to a lower league club to toughen him up a bit.
Dier simply wasn't up for it first half. He's a big tough lad but looked like bambi on ice at the back. Foyth also looked easily rattled first half, but was probably our best player 2nd half. Verts was another who looked like he did not want to be out there first half. I do have some sympathy with the CBs and CMs as we tried to play the ball out form the back on a crap pitch and there was zero movement from our FBs or forwards. Kane and Llorente were shocking first half.
Wanyama - he was very bad. The worst bit was in the first half when he was dispossessed easily and turned ot the ref asking for a foul. He needs to realise he's our destroyer and he's not to try and score 25 yard worldies but put a shift in and win the ball. Poch needs to have a long chat with him as he should be one of the first names on the team sheet but has not shown anything really this season.
I thought Kane was pretty shocking for the first hour. He did not harry, press and lead from the front like he can. But hey ho, he scored a goal and got us out of jail.
Llorente is simply not the right player for the way we play. We need to get more crosses in, but it doesn't help that when we have it wide he rarely breaks his neck to get in the middle.
Most of my criticism is reserved for Poch. He picked the wrong team by a country mile. I think we all knew what was coming when we saw the line up. 5 defenders, 2 DCMs , plus Sissoko. Away at a league 2 club. I wouldn't have minded if the plan was a physical battle, but we played like primadonas who did not want to get our shorts muddy. Yesterday I would have gained a lot more respect for Poch if he'd made change after 30 minutes and admitted he got his tactics wrong. His team selections are becoming worrying. At least he made the change at HT this time instead of waiting until the 80th minute.
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A bad pitch and adverse weather is a leveller from a technical ability perspective. Yesterday we were out thought and - even worse - outfought. Their captain in CM who physically dominated the middle of the pitch should have been waking up today covered in bruises and telling all his mates that Wanyama and Dembele are the two strongest and biggest players he's ever faced. Instead he's able to tell his friends and family how easy it was to bully them.
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He let the ball run under his foot and out of play twice in the first half. He let them get behind him on so many occasions I lost count. He ran at them twice, cut onto his right foot and got blocked out. He lost out in every 50-50. Dreadful performance. Looked like a boy on a man's pitch.
I do have some sympathy as he should be played on the right, he is disadvanteged on the left. His senior colleagues set a very bad example for him, he was miles better than both Dier and Wanyama in that first half for example..
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Whoever believed Trippier was an upgrade on Walker, seriously needs their head looking at. He's shit against whatever level of teams he faces. He was done again for pace today against a load of journeymen. He's a glaring weak-link
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Probably didn't notice that KWP was getting torn apart down his side for 45 minutes, or indeed that we needed to switch to a back 4. I want to see our kids get a chance but I don't want to see them carry the can in a game like that.
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The pitch and open stadium in windy conditions were a big leveller last night. Not a game to try and play out from the back or pass through midfield, but that is on Poch. Typical FA Cup game where we got caught up in an arm wrestle. A lot of our players are getting dogs abuse but that was a rough ride. I'm actually pleased for Newport County because they fully deserve a cash injection from a return at Wembley.
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Getting their chance and taking their chance are two different meanings. Alli got and took his chance, unfortunately there are too many that have not
Japhet
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KWP will get his chance when he plays on the right on a decent pitch when the wind isn't blowing a gale. Newport County targetted him and got a load of joy from it. He was rightly hooked off at HT, not least because we needed to change formation.
Mauricio is clearly not a student of Military history
The difficulties of deploying heavy equipment
in unsuitable ground conditions.
was clearly exposed with tanks in the First World War
(And by Hannibal's elephants over the Alps even earlier)
Those who do not learn the lessons of history
are bound to repeat them.
The difficulties of deploying heavy equipment
in unsuitable ground conditions.
was clearly exposed with tanks in the First World War
(And by Hannibal's elephants over the Alps even earlier)
Those who do not learn the lessons of history
are bound to repeat them.
mpickard2087
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I can only repeat that KWP was really no worse than any of the others, why pick him out to go off? They 'got down his flank' as much against Trippier and exposed him, someone like Dembele missed as many tackles as him first half, the likes of Sissoko/Wanyama/Llorente/even Kane for large spells if we're being honest miscontrolled or fumbled the ball away more times probably, Vertonghen was wildly waving a leg at the ball like a spastic most of the first half, and he didn't have a moment like Dier who lost the ball as last man at one point.
I am not claiming that he didn't have iffy moments, and it was testing for him, but there were others who were displaying equal and greater shite out there in what was a clusterfuck of a performance. Getting 90 mins and playing through the hard moments was more valuable for him (and Foyth, who managed to improve second half when he got persisted with...) from a development and learning perspective than other senior players who just didn't want to be out there by the looks of it. Instead we got the predictable 'shit, we're in trouble, need some subs, lets take off the rookie' ultra-pragmatic approach, especially from the self-styled 'Mr Brave'..... For me, especially in terms of development, you need to see it through and at least be able to take something out of certain games from a learning perspective - win, lose, or draw.
I am not claiming that he didn't have iffy moments, and it was testing for him, but there were others who were displaying equal and greater shite out there in what was a clusterfuck of a performance. Getting 90 mins and playing through the hard moments was more valuable for him (and Foyth, who managed to improve second half when he got persisted with...) from a development and learning perspective than other senior players who just didn't want to be out there by the looks of it. Instead we got the predictable 'shit, we're in trouble, need some subs, lets take off the rookie' ultra-pragmatic approach, especially from the self-styled 'Mr Brave'..... For me, especially in terms of development, you need to see it through and at least be able to take something out of certain games from a learning perspective - win, lose, or draw.
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Even if it means we lose and go out of the cup? He made a tactical change, we got the draw. KWP deserved to be pulled.
mpickard2087
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Only if you think our hopes were teetering on the rookie player's shoulders. He deserved to be pulled no more than any other player.
But in general yes, sometimes you have to lose to learn - maybe you learn the squad isn't good enough, maybe
you learn the academy isn't good enough, maybe the manager learns more about the mentality of the players, maybe you learn things about the manager and his abilities..... I'm not afraid to find things out if you benefit long term.
Said tactical change really did fuck all, eventually we lucked out from them switching off for a moment at a set piece. In any case, I don't see how taking off any other player, say Trippier, Dier, one of the turgid trio in the centre of the park, would have had any different effect. Foyth managed to play through his wobbles and finished strongly, aided by the fact we were more on the front foot as Newport retreated and clung on, who's to say KWP wouldn't have done the same?
It was the easy decision to take off the least experienced player.
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Mainly as they did not put the same level of effort in as the league 2 opposition players did. Yesterday was about heart and grit. Luckily we finally showed some second half after an astonishingly pathetic first half from all of the team.
Kudos to Newport - they outfought and outplayed us first half, and dug in deep second half. They will get a well deserved cash windfall in the replay!
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They were rampant in the first 45 when KWP was playing and on the back foot for the 2nd half when the set up was changed. It's not a case of saying KWP was worse than anyone else. It's simply the fact that they were getting a lot of joy down that side and we needed to shift things around. Poch did the right thing and Son put them on the back foot down that flank.
EDIT; I'll also say it wouldn't have bothered me one bit if he'd pulled Trippier off and switched KWP to his favoured side.
