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Ironically they’re one of the most strongly linked teams to Hatate.
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Ironically they’re one of the most strongly linked teams to Hatate.
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Signed Billy Gilmour as well didn't they? I appreciate that was via Chelsea, but still a player from the Scottish league.
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Spurs are also monitoring Celtic midfielder Reo Hatate, though there are concerns over whether the 25-year-old would qualify for a work permit.
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Excuse my ignorance on such things but would he not have needed one in Scotland too?
This is Scottish football, entrance criteria probably reflect that….
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If Ange wants him after being his manager, that is good enough for me.
Regarding scouting in lower leagues and younger players, I find it impossible from watching highlights or televised matches. Rule of thumb is to find a player that has the qualities you want such as skill on the ball, pace, change of direction, passing ability, first touch, tackling, etc and then spend the rest of your scouting watching what he does off the ball because all the other does not matter if the don't have the will/desire and awareness to get into the right places to be effective.
Regarding scouting in lower leagues and younger players, I find it impossible from watching highlights or televised matches. Rule of thumb is to find a player that has the qualities you want such as skill on the ball, pace, change of direction, passing ability, first touch, tackling, etc and then spend the rest of your scouting watching what he does off the ball because all the other does not matter if the don't have the will/desire and awareness to get into the right places to be effective.
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I think he'd need a new one. I'm not sure how things have changed but he's not been playing much international football which was more or less the whole criteria, whereas when he went to Celtic he was at least a regular for the age group teams.
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I dont see how there will be work permit issue. 15 points needed.
SPL belongs to Band 3. CL is band 1
His Celtic domestic minutes of should place him in 60-70% minutes category which earns him 5 points
SPL league quality band 3 - 8 pts
Celtic as title winners - 5pts
Celtic were in CL groups. He played 454 min of 580min. 70-80% range earns him for band 1 CL =8 pts
Celtic went to CL group stage = 5 pts
He will play in 2 June internationals. Japan are rank 20. Greater than rank 20 dont get any points, if player has only 2 caps in last 12 mths.
So, if Hatate plays June internationals AND if Jan dont drop out of top20 by the application date, then he could earn another 8 points.
He gets probably between 30 to 38 pts.However I see it, there is no way Hatate misses 15 points required for Work permit.
SPL belongs to Band 3. CL is band 1
His Celtic domestic minutes of should place him in 60-70% minutes category which earns him 5 points
SPL league quality band 3 - 8 pts
Celtic as title winners - 5pts
Celtic were in CL groups. He played 454 min of 580min. 70-80% range earns him for band 1 CL =8 pts
Celtic went to CL group stage = 5 pts
He will play in 2 June internationals. Japan are rank 20. Greater than rank 20 dont get any points, if player has only 2 caps in last 12 mths.
So, if Hatate plays June internationals AND if Jan dont drop out of top20 by the application date, then he could earn another 8 points.
He gets probably between 30 to 38 pts.However I see it, there is no way Hatate misses 15 points required for Work permit.
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A quick look at the FA's GBE guidelines suggest he'd probably qualify automatically and at worst have a very strong case on appeal. Japan are currently ranked 20 so he'd get some points for that even with a low number of caps, throw in the points for Celtic's title win and CL involvement plus possibly from the Asian continental competition.
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He needs to have been playing in one of the top European leagues…
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How Celtic And Scotland Can Help Asian Players Reach The Premier League
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GLASGOW, SCOTLAND - MAY 14: Kyogo Furuhashi of Celtic celebrates after scoring their side's first ... [+]
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Celtic’s signings of Yuki Kobayashi and Tomoki Iwata this winter bring the total number of Japanese players on the green and white side of Glasgow to six.
Iwata joins on loan from Yokohama F. Marinos, where he was named the J.League’s player of the year in 2022, and there an option for Celtic to buy him for reportedly around $1.2 million, which would appear to be an absolute bargain. Should Celtic sell him to a club in England in a few seasons, they could see a tidy profit.
The influx of Japanese players into Celtic is partly due to their Australian head coach Ange Postecoglou, who joined the club from Yokohama F. Marinos and knows the J.League very well.
But there’s another reason too, one that makes Scottish clubs the perfect stepping-stone for Asian players looking to play in the Premier League.
“All players have an ultimate destination in mind, and I think everyone would love to play in the Premier League.” Those are the words of Cho Gue-sung, the South Korean striker who scored twice against Ghana at the 2022 World Cup.
Cho Gue-sung of Korea Republic scores their team's second goal against Ghana during the FIFA World ... [+]
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Cho has been linked to several clubs in Europe, including Celtic. The move appears less likely now, but if he does end up at Parkhead, it could help him achieve that dream move to England’s Premier League, just as it did for his compatriot Ki Sung-yueng, who moved from Celtic to Welsh side Swansea City in 2012.
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Brexit has changed British clubs’ ability to sign players from overseas. In some ways, it has become more difficult, as players from the European Union now require work permits. But that has also made it a level playing field for non-European players. English clubs have been scouring South America for the hottest young talents recently, but for Scotland, Asia might prove a better choice.
That’s because of a slight difference in Scotland’s work permit rules. In England, players must earn 15 points to qualify automatically, and ten points to be allowed to appeal for a special exemption if there are exceptional circumstances that prevented them from reaching 15 points. In Scotland, any player can appeal for an exemption.
Players can earn points based on the strength of the league they play in and how well their team performs in that league and in continental competitions. Japan’s J.League and South Korea’s K League are in the weakest band, Band 6, of the ranking system, meaning the only way a player from either leagues can move directly to the Premier League is if they are an established international.
Celtic Manager Ange Postecoglou with Reo Hatate during a Scottish Premiership match between Celtic ... [+]
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With any player able to apply for an exemption, players from South Korea and Japan have the chance to move to Scotland, and as the Scottish Premiership is in Band 3, success at Celtic would allow players to reach the requirements for a move south.
Cho isn’t the only South Korean linked to Celtic. The Hoops have also been linked with striker Oh Hyeon-gyu and defensive midfielder Kwon Hyeok-kyu, with Oh’s transfer looking the most promising at time of writing.
Cho, Oh and Kwon have one important thing in common, they have all played for Gimcheon Sangmu (formerly Sangju Sangmu). All South Korean males need to do military service, usually during their peak years as a soccer player. The only real exemption is to win an Olympic medal or Asian Games gold medal, like Son Heung-min, Kim Min-jae and several other top South Korean players did in 2018.
One of the ways that the best Korean soccer players can complete their service though is to play for Sangmu, the military team. This can still harm their careers if it happens midway through a career, like with current international Kwon Chang-hoon, who had to return from Europe to join Sangmu. But Cho (24), Oh (21) and Kwon (21) all did their military service at Sangmu right at the start of their careers, and are now free to pursue a career in Europe.
Celtic have got a head start on their Scottish Premiership rivals, but other Scottish sides are catching on to the potential of Asia.
Hearts signed Japanese player Yutaro Oda from Vissel Kobe this winter, and Rangers are one of the many sides that have been linked to Cho Gue-sung.
With Postecoglou’s knowledge, Celtic will retain their advantage in this area for the near future, but they will face more competition for the next bargain signings from the region.
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The SEC released a barrage of supporting evidence in its complaint that the world’s largest crypto exchange ignored U.S. securities laws. It makes for interesting reading.
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The Securities and Exchange Commission is suing Binance, the world’s largest cryptocurrency exchange, its U.S. affiliate and founder Changpeng Zhao.
Among the reams of evidence provided by the agency, which include employee text messages, testimonies of former executives and Binance’s audit reports, some accusations seemed especially bizarre. Here are five that caught our eye:
The former chief compliance officer said “there’s no fking way we are clean”
In a text exchange with another employee, Binance’s former chief compliance officer, Samuel Lim, said he did not believe the company was “clean.” As an example, he said that the exchange’s customer service is teaching users how to circumvent sanctions.
SEC FILING
Binance is accused of hijacking MORE user funds than FTX
The SEC alleges Binance and Binance.US redirected over $12 billion in clients’ assets to entities controlled by Zhao between 2019 and 2021. That’s $4 billion more than the $8 billion shortfall initially claimed in the case of FTX, formerly the second-largest crypto exchange and the subject of a spectacular collapse in November. Additionally, millions of dollars of customer and corporate funds were commingled in accounts of Merit Peak, a British Virgin Islands trading firm owned by Zhao, according to the agency.In a Twitter post on Thursday, Zhao denied the claim but only addressed the Binance.US part of the allegation. "To the best of my knowledge, Binance.US had in total roughly $2 billion in user funds. This number in USD equivalent fluctuates a little as crypto prices change. And declining as users withdraw due to recent news. All user funds are accounted for, and never left the Binance.US (unless users withdraw themselves of course), ever." he wrote.
Binance received damning audits
Since Binance.US’s inception and through at least 2022, auditors from Armanino have identified “significant deficiencies that aggregated to material weaknesses” relating to Binance’s control over the operation of the Binance.US Platform and custody and control of customer assets, and the fact that Binance’s custody of U.S. customer assets was completely opaque” to employees of BAM Trading, Binance.US’s operator. Drawbacks listed in the 2019 audit included commingled customer and company funds, reliance on the parent for financial data and the lack of a disaster plan.A separate audit from FGMK shows that Binance.US lost $181 million in 2022.
Two former CEOs of Binance.US claimed that Zhao ran the American unit
Brian Brooks, former chief executive of Binance.US who resigned three months after taking the job, said that “what became clear to me at a certain point was CZ was the CEO of BAM Trading, not me.” Binance has maintained that it operates independently from its American affiliate.Brooks added that during his tenure Binance.US had a group of Shanghai-based employees who received part of their compensations in Binance’s BNBBNB +0.9% token and were part of a company called “Boran.”
Catherine Coley, the first chief executive of Binance.US–who abruptly left the company in 2021 and has been little heard from since– also revealed the subsidiary was not independent. The SEC alleged that for at least the first year of its existence, the parent company Binance.com insisted that Zhao and Guangying Chen, a close associate of Zhao also known as Heina, had to control the bank accounts of BAM Trading, the U.S. exchange. Coley told company lawyer Wei Zhou in an electronic exchange: “I’m confused why we go through all of these measures with separating BAM vs. .com and then have a non-U.S. resident, non employee on the bank applications.” Zhou replied “You know what HQ Finance’s position is, right?… They want to have Heina as signatory on US BAM bank accounts”
He advised: “No need to pound the separation thing too much. I think most people understand that by now.”
Coley dubbed an effort to escape Zhao’s control as “Project 1776,” a reference to the American Revolution. She told a fellow employee it was “for our independence,” according to the suit.
Wash trades occurred with employees’ knowledge
The SEC alleges that wash trading, or self-dealing, which typically results in an inflated trading volume that creates a false appearance of market interest, regularly took place on the Binance.US platform. Much of it occurred through accounts affiliated with Sigma Chain, an entity owned and controlled by Zhao, essentially making it a market maker on the Binance.US Platform.In an online discussion in January 2021 about a drop in trading volume from Sigma Chain, the company's sales director told other employees that 20 other accounts were fronts: "fyi, these are ALL sigma chain." Later that month, an employee found he could trade with himself.
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The SEC’s 13-count suit alleges that the crypto exchange, its American branch and Zhao “enriched themselves by billions of dollars while placing investors’ assets at significant risk” and “designed and implemented a multi-step plan to surreptitiously evade U.S. laws.”
Binance.US said late on Thursday that it would suspend deposits and withdrawals in U.S. dollars on its platform. In a message to customers, the company said it was “taking necessary actions” in a transition to a crypto-only exchange after the SEC suit discouraged banks from working with it
Zhao, Binance and two U.S subsidiaries have until June 28 to respond to the suit, which was filed in the federal court for the District of Columbia. A hearing on an SEC request to freeze the assets of Binance.US is set for June 13 at 2:00 PM Washington time.
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The absolute state of that barnet
I wish you'd scouted N'Dombele for us !
did you follow him on twitter though?
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I can't believe someone actually knows about this stuff.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest you copied and pasted more than you intended to there.How Celtic And Scotland Can Help Asian Players Reach The Premier League
Steve Price
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Jan 21, 2023,10:07pm EST
GLASGOW, SCOTLAND - MAY 14: Kyogo Furuhashi of Celtic celebrates after scoring their side's first ... [+]
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Celtic’s signings of Yuki Kobayashi and Tomoki Iwata this winter bring the total number of Japanese players on the green and white side of Glasgow to six.
Iwata joins on loan from Yokohama F. Marinos, where he was named the J.League’s player of the year in 2022, and there an option for Celtic to buy him for reportedly around $1.2 million, which would appear to be an absolute bargain. Should Celtic sell him to a club in England in a few seasons, they could see a tidy profit.
The influx of Japanese players into Celtic is partly due to their Australian head coach Ange Postecoglou, who joined the club from Yokohama F. Marinos and knows the J.League very well.
But there’s another reason too, one that makes Scottish clubs the perfect stepping-stone for Asian players looking to play in the Premier League.
“All players have an ultimate destination in mind, and I think everyone would love to play in the Premier League.” Those are the words of Cho Gue-sung, the South Korean striker who scored twice against Ghana at the 2022 World Cup.
Cho Gue-sung of Korea Republic scores their team's second goal against Ghana during the FIFA World ... [+]
GETTY IMAGES
Cho has been linked to several clubs in Europe, including Celtic. The move appears less likely now, but if he does end up at Parkhead, it could help him achieve that dream move to England’s Premier League, just as it did for his compatriot Ki Sung-yueng, who moved from Celtic to Welsh side Swansea City in 2012.
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Brexit has changed British clubs’ ability to sign players from overseas. In some ways, it has become more difficult, as players from the European Union now require work permits. But that has also made it a level playing field for non-European players. English clubs have been scouring South America for the hottest young talents recently, but for Scotland, Asia might prove a better choice.
That’s because of a slight difference in Scotland’s work permit rules. In England, players must earn 15 points to qualify automatically, and ten points to be allowed to appeal for a special exemption if there are exceptional circumstances that prevented them from reaching 15 points. In Scotland, any player can appeal for an exemption.
Players can earn points based on the strength of the league they play in and how well their team performs in that league and in continental competitions. Japan’s J.League and South Korea’s K League are in the weakest band, Band 6, of the ranking system, meaning the only way a player from either leagues can move directly to the Premier League is if they are an established international.
Celtic Manager Ange Postecoglou with Reo Hatate during a Scottish Premiership match between Celtic ... [+]
SNS GROUP VIA GETTY IMAGES
With any player able to apply for an exemption, players from South Korea and Japan have the chance to move to Scotland, and as the Scottish Premiership is in Band 3, success at Celtic would allow players to reach the requirements for a move south.
Cho isn’t the only South Korean linked to Celtic. The Hoops have also been linked with striker Oh Hyeon-gyu and defensive midfielder Kwon Hyeok-kyu, with Oh’s transfer looking the most promising at time of writing.
Cho, Oh and Kwon have one important thing in common, they have all played for Gimcheon Sangmu (formerly Sangju Sangmu). All South Korean males need to do military service, usually during their peak years as a soccer player. The only real exemption is to win an Olympic medal or Asian Games gold medal, like Son Heung-min, Kim Min-jae and several other top South Korean players did in 2018.
One of the ways that the best Korean soccer players can complete their service though is to play for Sangmu, the military team. This can still harm their careers if it happens midway through a career, like with current international Kwon Chang-hoon, who had to return from Europe to join Sangmu. But Cho (24), Oh (21) and Kwon (21) all did their military service at Sangmu right at the start of their careers, and are now free to pursue a career in Europe.
Celtic have got a head start on their Scottish Premiership rivals, but other Scottish sides are catching on to the potential of Asia.
Hearts signed Japanese player Yutaro Oda from Vissel Kobe this winter, and Rangers are one of the many sides that have been linked to Cho Gue-sung.
With Postecoglou’s knowledge, Celtic will retain their advantage in this area for the near future, but they will face more competition for the next bargain signings from the region.
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The SEC released a barrage of supporting evidence in its complaint that the world’s largest crypto exchange ignored U.S. securities laws. It makes for interesting reading.
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The Securities and Exchange Commission is suing Binance, the world’s largest cryptocurrency exchange, its U.S. affiliate and founder Changpeng Zhao.
Among the reams of evidence provided by the agency, which include employee text messages, testimonies of former executives and Binance’s audit reports, some accusations seemed especially bizarre. Here are five that caught our eye:
The former chief compliance officer said “there’s no fking way we are clean”
In a text exchange with another employee, Binance’s former chief compliance officer, Samuel Lim, said he did not believe the company was “clean.” As an example, he said that the exchange’s customer service is teaching users how to circumvent sanctions.
SEC FILING
Binance is accused of hijacking MORE user funds than FTX
The SEC alleges Binance and Binance.US redirected over $12 billion in clients’ assets to entities controlled by Zhao between 2019 and 2021. That’s $4 billion more than the $8 billion shortfall initially claimed in the case of FTX, formerly the second-largest crypto exchange and the subject of a spectacular collapse in November. Additionally, millions of dollars of customer and corporate funds were commingled in accounts of Merit Peak, a British Virgin Islands trading firm owned by Zhao, according to the agency.
In a Twitter post on Thursday, Zhao denied the claim but only addressed the Binance.US part of the allegation. "To the best of my knowledge, Binance.US had in total roughly $2 billion in user funds. This number in USD equivalent fluctuates a little as crypto prices change. And declining as users withdraw due to recent news. All user funds are accounted for, and never left the Binance.US (unless users withdraw themselves of course), ever." he wrote.
Binance received damning audits
Since Binance.US’s inception and through at least 2022, auditors from Armanino have identified “significant deficiencies that aggregated to material weaknesses” relating to Binance’s control over the operation of the Binance.US Platform and custody and control of customer assets, and the fact that Binance’s custody of U.S. customer assets was completely opaque” to employees of BAM Trading, Binance.US’s operator. Drawbacks listed in the 2019 audit included commingled customer and company funds, reliance on the parent for financial data and the lack of a disaster plan.
A separate audit from FGMK shows that Binance.US lost $181 million in 2022.
Two former CEOs of Binance.US claimed that Zhao ran the American unit
Brian Brooks, former chief executive of Binance.US who resigned three months after taking the job, said that “what became clear to me at a certain point was CZ was the CEO of BAM Trading, not me.” Binance has maintained that it operates independently from its American affiliate.
Brooks added that during his tenure Binance.US had a group of Shanghai-based employees who received part of their compensations in Binance’s BNBBNB +0.9% token and were part of a company called “Boran.”
Catherine Coley, the first chief executive of Binance.US–who abruptly left the company in 2021 and has been little heard from since– also revealed the subsidiary was not independent. The SEC alleged that for at least the first year of its existence, the parent company Binance.com insisted that Zhao and Guangying Chen, a close associate of Zhao also known as Heina, had to control the bank accounts of BAM Trading, the U.S. exchange. Coley told company lawyer Wei Zhou in an electronic exchange: “I’m confused why we go through all of these measures with separating BAM vs. .com and then have a non-U.S. resident, non employee on the bank applications.” Zhou replied “You know what HQ Finance’s position is, right?… They want to have Heina as signatory on US BAM bank accounts”
He advised: “No need to pound the separation thing too much. I think most people understand that by now.”
Coley dubbed an effort to escape Zhao’s control as “Project 1776,” a reference to the American Revolution. She told a fellow employee it was “for our independence,” according to the suit.
Wash trades occurred with employees’ knowledge
The SEC alleges that wash trading, or self-dealing, which typically results in an inflated trading volume that creates a false appearance of market interest, regularly took place on the Binance.US platform. Much of it occurred through accounts affiliated with Sigma Chain, an entity owned and controlled by Zhao, essentially making it a market maker on the Binance.US Platform.
In an online discussion in January 2021 about a drop in trading volume from Sigma Chain, the company's sales director told other employees that 20 other accounts were fronts: "fyi, these are ALL sigma chain." Later that month, an employee found he could trade with himself.
SEC FILING
The SEC’s 13-count suit alleges that the crypto exchange, its American branch and Zhao “enriched themselves by billions of dollars while placing investors’ assets at significant risk” and “designed and implemented a multi-step plan to surreptitiously evade U.S. laws.”
Binance.US said late on Thursday that it would suspend deposits and withdrawals in U.S. dollars on its platform. In a message to customers, the company said it was “taking necessary actions” in a transition to a crypto-only exchange after the SEC suit discouraged banks from working with it
Zhao, Binance and two U.S subsidiaries have until June 28 to respond to the suit, which was filed in the federal court for the District of Columbia. A hearing on an SEC request to freeze the assets of Binance.US is set for June 13 at 2:00 PM Washington time.
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Re: work permit concerns, this from the Athletic.
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FA confirms new rules over overseas transfers
The Football Association (FA) has designed new Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) criteria for international player visas that will provide clubs with greater access to overseas talent. The new solution, which has been approved by the Home Office in the UK, will allow clubs playing in the English...
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