Disconosebleed
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I'd strongly urge a lot of you to do some reading around mental health.
Rose speaks openly about battle with depression
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Wow I didn’t expect the original post to start this debate. I was expecting more comments along the lines of ‘it explains his form’ and ‘glad he’s over his issues now’. I think my second comment was misread a bit as i meant he could have received more help if he’d opened up to more people. As others have pointed out that can be a hard thing to do in that situation, something I’d not really thought about, never having been through it myself.
Personally I want to see him back to his best for us, so I’m glad he’s finally talking about it, although I agree with others he should have spoken to his family first and foremost.
Personally I want to see him back to his best for us, so I’m glad he’s finally talking about it, although I agree with others he should have spoken to his family first and foremost.
Lilbaz
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Problem with this conversation is there is no gauge of how depressed someone is from reading an article or interview.
When glaxo smith klein released prozac they prior released a questionaire that determined how people felt. People answered it and doctors took note. Millions were diagnosed with depression when actually most were just a bit sad. It didn't differentiate between i just lost my job or mum just died to i can't bear to live anymore.
Not a lot has changed in diagnosis, mental health treatment is shocking. So we are left with a broad spectrum of those diagnosed with being depressed and a broad range of sympathy for those suffering from it.
When glaxo smith klein released prozac they prior released a questionaire that determined how people felt. People answered it and doctors took note. Millions were diagnosed with depression when actually most were just a bit sad. It didn't differentiate between i just lost my job or mum just died to i can't bear to live anymore.
Not a lot has changed in diagnosis, mental health treatment is shocking. So we are left with a broad spectrum of those diagnosed with being depressed and a broad range of sympathy for those suffering from it.
Yid_Summers
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It’s got nothing to do with us reading up on it. Instead I strongly urge you to read the main part of our posts!! WE DON’T CARE IF HE’S DEPRESSED!!
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Lilbaz
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Why? Cause you don't like him?
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No, has absolutely nothing to do with it. I loved Gazza, could not give a shit about what he’s done to himself. I think Kane is a great guy, still wouldn’t care. I grew up loving Star Wars, couldn’t give two shits that Carrie Fisher died.
Instead I choose to care about my family. I care about children getting hurt/killed on a daily basis. I feel sorry for the families of soldiers who lost their lives for our country, yet society is more worried about Love Island and bullshit like that.
I don’t dislike him, I just think he’s a twat.
Lilbaz
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That is a great post.
Although a bit of ahhh poor whatever got eaten by a goat, goes a long way.
Lilbaz
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Tbh i think this deserves it's own thread in d&d. Do we really care?
Give me a minute.
Edit -done. http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/do-we-really-care.133065/
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You are a very confused person.
You "loved" Gazza but "could not give a shit" about him?
You care about families of soldiers you don't know, who may, for example, be suffering from mental illness?
But you don't care about a player in our club - or his family - who may be suffering from mental illness?
Ok.
Hmm... no, he really did say that.
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There is a thread on depression on these forums. That may help.
Depression isn't something you "get over" either, it's an illness which you have to manage. The value of Danny's interview is that it should encourage people to talk about mental illness, and understand it, rather than struggle through it... Or as this thread has highlighted, shun it or trivialise it. Particularly with young men and particularly with footballers. The highest cause of death for men under 25 is still suicide.
Depression isn't something you "get over" either, it's an illness which you have to manage. The value of Danny's interview is that it should encourage people to talk about mental illness, and understand it, rather than struggle through it... Or as this thread has highlighted, shun it or trivialise it. Particularly with young men and particularly with footballers. The highest cause of death for men under 25 is still suicide.
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My dad is clinically depressed. My step mum is agoraphobic. My best mate self harmed for years. I had a breakdown when i left uni. I lived with a woman who was bipolar for 5 years. My wife’s mate killed himself after years of depression. I’m pretty read up. I’ve been to counselling myself, joint, I’ve had to discharge someone. You do not have the only manual on this
You can feel for someone, want them to be happy, but be angry and frustrated with them at the same time. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to make people feel bad for perfectly natural reactions. Those with mental health issues impact others, they don’t exist in a microscosm and it’s not all about them
I nearly ruined my parents’ lives and an important part of recovery/management is taking ownership of that.
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And as with most things in the modern world, it is polarised to black and white, right and wrong. When as ever there’s a third, fourth and fifth way.
This has been turned into a versus argument for talking about depression by those with other agendas. That’s not what most people are saying at all
Disconosebleed
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That's why you should do some reading around the subject.
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One of the good things about human nature as opposed to animal nature is our enhanced ability to empathise. A lot of the comments in here are natural only as long as your idea of nature involves absolutely zero ability to learn or better yourself. Someone has literally said "I don't care if he's depressed" and you don't think that is a prime opportunity for someone to educate themselves for their own improvement and the betterment of society in general?
Sympathy doesn't cost anything and I feel some sympathy for Danny for what he's going through. That doesn't mean I have to applaud how he deals with depression, anymore than I would applaud someone for drinking the pain away or closing the curtains and going to bed for six months. Blurting this out to the press without talking to his family (or anyone but his agent, apparently) is not smart. I would hope and expect his parents to care and be worried for his health but they wouldn't be human if they didn't think 'Why didn't he talk to us? Why did we have to read about it in the press?'.
On top of that, I worry that he talks about taking medication for a couple of months but being off medication now and basically 'over it'. That's not really how it works. Anti-depressants take 3-4 weeks to start to have an effect and even then tend to need changes in medication/dose over months/years to get real benefits for the patient.
Maybe Danny's been very lucky and a short course of treatment has got him back to a level but, frankly, I doubt it. It's normal to be upset and angry if your uncle took his own life, your mother was racially abused and your brother was shot at in his own home. If you were already suffering from depression in the first place you'll probably take these things harder than most people. But announcing to the world at a press conference that you've had to deal with all this shit but are now 'better' makes me think that he's anything but. It comes across to me as someone who is still struggling with grief, anger and depression lashing out in a way that's not going to help him at all.
On top of that, I worry that he talks about taking medication for a couple of months but being off medication now and basically 'over it'. That's not really how it works. Anti-depressants take 3-4 weeks to start to have an effect and even then tend to need changes in medication/dose over months/years to get real benefits for the patient.
Maybe Danny's been very lucky and a short course of treatment has got him back to a level but, frankly, I doubt it. It's normal to be upset and angry if your uncle took his own life, your mother was racially abused and your brother was shot at in his own home. If you were already suffering from depression in the first place you'll probably take these things harder than most people. But announcing to the world at a press conference that you've had to deal with all this shit but are now 'better' makes me think that he's anything but. It comes across to me as someone who is still struggling with grief, anger and depression lashing out in a way that's not going to help him at all.
It also seems less than kind to bar your own father from watching you play for England at the WC. The guy who gets home from Wembley at 3am after watching you play before getting up at 7am for work the next morning. .And why? Because you're worried that him being badly treated in Russia would affect *your* preparation for matches. The guy's just lost his brother, ffs. I can't see this as anything but selfish and mean-spirited. The depression may well have something to do with that - it can make people self-absorbed and insensitive to others - but it doesn't make it right or 'brave'.
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No he didn’t.
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No it doesn’t. Jesus Christ. I don’t care about Athletes, celebrities, and all that kind. It doesn’t matter about reading up on it. I just don’t care about people like that! It’s that simple to comprehend.
Disconosebleed
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My point is that if you educated yourself a little more, you might have a bit more empathy.
