Should Keane be dropped next weekend?
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simyid
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im pretty sure if keane was a panic buy he wouldn't be captain. and bringing keane back to the lane for a bargain of £12 mil is a very good peice of business not a f***ing panic buy. i also hope he starts at everton cause he needs game time. its as i people are expecting keane not to play well he's a class player give him a bit of time and you'll love him again
sheringmann
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Agree!
Bus-Conductor
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If the question was who should start Keane or Bent, that would be easy; Keane. But surely the whole point of having players like Pavlyuchenko and Defoe is that if a player like Keane isn't performing to his potential he is benched and hopefully realises that he has got to apply himself 100% every game or he stays there. Keane has performed poorly for several games now. I'd like to see us play a 451 with Modric playing off Pav at Everton, then return to a 442 at home to city with Pav & Defoe getting a crack. If nothing else it should have the desired effect of kicking Keane up the arse.
thfcsteff
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I would think as skipper of a Spurs side who are on one of their best ever run of Premiership results, Robert Keane's arse is perfectly fine and certainly does not need 'kicking' due to the invaluable (and obviously incalculable) effort he has put in towards said-results...
Yid-ol
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So lets say we play afew games and win them all, but say Defoe or Bent is playing up frount, misses afew great chances and havnt scored in afew games or 1 in afew, would there arses be safe on the pitch due to results? or would they get changed with someone else as there performances may not have been up to scratch?
I would say if they dont perform to there ability even if we win there arses should be on the line, no matter who it is, only way they can save it is by working there arse off in training and even then if its been afew games i would change
werty
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Why change a winning side?
Sure, he's not playing great but Pav wasn't much better at the weekend so I don't think Keane should be dropped for him. The only problem I have with Keane is that he's playing too deep(under instruction by Harry I assume). This helps at times but he very rarely gets in the box and isn't getting into goalscoring positions.
Sure, he's not playing great but Pav wasn't much better at the weekend so I don't think Keane should be dropped for him. The only problem I have with Keane is that he's playing too deep(under instruction by Harry I assume). This helps at times but he very rarely gets in the box and isn't getting into goalscoring positions.
BringBack_leGin
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His recent performances do not warrant anything above the bench. He needs this summer badly. He just isn't contributing right now.
AdelaideSpur
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Like someone else has stated... Whats the point of having 4 quality strikers if when one of your first team strikers isn't performing you dont change him.
ginol@14
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we dont have 4 quality strikers
we have 2 .... 1 thats getting there in pavlachenko and then we have darren bent !
keane is captain .... keane will play every game whilst he is fit !
next season he will be back to his best , hopefully when harry buys someone good to play up top with him.
we have 2 .... 1 thats getting there in pavlachenko and then we have darren bent !
keane is captain .... keane will play every game whilst he is fit !
next season he will be back to his best , hopefully when harry buys someone good to play up top with him.
AdelaideSpur
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I think our best looking strike force this season has been Defoe and Pav before Defoe got injured. You might think Keane is the better player but thats not the point, if a player is not playing as well as another player could play he should be dropped for the other player.
If King was playing crap i would expect him to be dropped for Dawson and i dont think for 1 second that Dawson is anywhere near King's standard
If King was playing crap i would expect him to be dropped for Dawson and i dont think for 1 second that Dawson is anywhere near King's standard
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I dont think its a Keane bashing thread as some are making out, but it is putting things in perspective with regards to his playing contribution.
The same people who dont like Keane being criticised and to retain his place are probably the same ones who would be baying for Bent to be dropped if he was performing as badly as Keane ( make no bones about it, Keane has been), even if the team was winning. Hypocrites any one?
Keane, and this is my opinion, is being carried by a winning team which. I honestly believe we would have scored more goals had someone else been playing ahead of him. Goals which would probably have made a difference in the losing results against both Blackburn and most recently Man Utd.
I am not in the "He brings stability and motivate the players" brigrade as I think its a cop out for those who are in denial with regards to his current form, and very patronising (and a bit insulting) to the rest of the squad.
Harry Redknapp made a rod for his own back when he made Keane captain. I may be wrong but I am sure that Keane would have been dropped before now if this was not the case.
Yes I did vote for Keane to be dropped, how did you guess?
The same people who dont like Keane being criticised and to retain his place are probably the same ones who would be baying for Bent to be dropped if he was performing as badly as Keane ( make no bones about it, Keane has been), even if the team was winning. Hypocrites any one?
Keane, and this is my opinion, is being carried by a winning team which. I honestly believe we would have scored more goals had someone else been playing ahead of him. Goals which would probably have made a difference in the losing results against both Blackburn and most recently Man Utd.
I am not in the "He brings stability and motivate the players" brigrade as I think its a cop out for those who are in denial with regards to his current form, and very patronising (and a bit insulting) to the rest of the squad.
Harry Redknapp made a rod for his own back when he made Keane captain. I may be wrong but I am sure that Keane would have been dropped before now if this was not the case.
Yes I did vote for Keane to be dropped, how did you guess?
Gilzeanking
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I think its best to keep sentimentality out of player selection .'Arry must play the best team using in form players .
Why is there such emotion about this :shrug:
Why is there such emotion about this :shrug:
The Original Yiddster
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Keane has been embarrassing for the last 6 games, and Jermain looks hungry. Pav ran his nuts off on Saturday, whilst Keane gave te ball away, flapped his arms around a lot, and when Pav went through and blasted over....as usual KEan was 30 yards behind play, as he plays too deep, he is unfit, and he is not hungry enough when playing as the deeper striker. The goons would have had players queuing up for a ball across the goal for a tap in. But Kean stoof 40 yards out flapping his arms because Pav missed from a tight angle.
By resigning him, we brought back an old problem of too many small players. By making him captain we've put him on a pedastal, so its harder to drop him. I loved Keane with Berba.....but without a Berba next to him....he will continue to show why it was a panic decision to re sign him, and he'll never have 2 seasons like the last two.
By resigning him, we brought back an old problem of too many small players. By making him captain we've put him on a pedastal, so its harder to drop him. I loved Keane with Berba.....but without a Berba next to him....he will continue to show why it was a panic decision to re sign him, and he'll never have 2 seasons like the last two.
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Firstly I completely disagree with him being skipper or vice captain in the first place. What example does it set making a player scared of physical contact your skipper ? how can he bollock anyone for not putting a tackle in. Jenas should be vice captain or, in fact several players before Keane. Gomes, Woodgate, Palacios, Corluka, Modric etc.
Where were his great leadership skills when we were under the cosh at OT last weekend. In fact when does he ever display leadership skills ?
Secondly, even if he was captain why the fuck should that be a ticket to perform badly and get away with it ? Especially when we have competition for his position.
Keane, as ever, remains inconsistant. When he first came back he was running around flapping his arms all over the place, and actually put in a couple of premium Keane performances. Lately he has reverted to just flapping his arms again. Hence the crowd booing when he was left on and Pav was sub'd saturday.
An example of this is Keanes stats v Middlesboro in Feb (Passes 43 out of 49) and v West Brom (28/34)v Newcastle (28/31). This is so typical of Keane. If he put in the same effort, week in week out, I'd forgive his lack of bollocks.But he doesn't.
He is still a great little player on his day, and I'd pick him ahead of limited players like Bent and Campbell every time, but he is definately not beyond dropping when you have valid alternatives and, as I said, it might even bring the best out of him.
thfcsteff
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For Bus Conductor (which always makes me think of my favorite writer Magnus Mills - you're not are you?!!!)
<<Firstly I completely disagree with him being skipper or vice captain in the first place. What example does it set making a player scared of physical contact your skipper ? how can he bollock anyone for not putting a tackle in. Jenas should be vice captain or, in fact several players before Keane. Gomes, Woodgate, Palacios, Corluka, Modric etc.>>
First off, regardless of what you're saying, it seems to be working a lot better than when Woody was skipper (and I am a Woody fan)...as for JJ, I'll put that one down to you simply trying to make a point and not thinking it through. Gomes would be OK but is not outfield, and by god we needed an outfield leader, Corluka as skipper? You're havin' a larf, Luka? Great player, not a skipper and Wilson? Perhaps not the right communicator...sorry, Keane is the best fit.
<<Where were his great leadership skills when we were under the cosh at OT last weekend. In fact when does he ever display leadership skills ?>>
Err...I would say coming into a side that was seriously mired in a relegation battle and helping turn the tide shows where his leadership skills have been. You, and others, will pick OT as a negative, but let's be serious, the entire side had a fucking meltdown, 'Arry didn't react quickly enough and make the necessary changes, and once Bent got injured we had no 'outlet' forward. One-legged man in arse-kicking contest springs to mind, but if you want to blame him for being a shit captain and costing us the game, 'tis your right.
<<Secondly, even if he was captain why the fuck should that be a ticket to perform badly and get away with it ? Especially when we have competition for his position.>>
(sigh) He's playing a specific role/been explained in other threads, etc...now I know that you and a few others think that's a cop-out, so whatever mate, whatever you want to think 'cos I'm not going to convince you.
<<Keane, as ever, remains inconsistant. When he first came back he was running around flapping his arms all over the place, and actually put in a couple of premium Keane performances. Lately he has reverted to just flapping his arms again. Hence the crowd booing when he was left on and Pav was sub'd saturday.>>
Look, I think Pav (with a summer's rest) is going to be tremendous (providing he sorts his attitude out, he is a bit of a softie for a big man) but if you genuinely think a bloke playing with a back injury and not playing at his best should risk further injury by playing 90 mins then I think you're missing a trick.
<<An example of this is Keanes stats v Middlesboro in Feb (Passes 43 out of 49) and v West Brom (28/34)v Newcastle (28/31). This is so typical of Keane. If he put in the same effort, week in week out, I'd forgive his lack of bollocks.But he doesn't.>>
Yes he does. Effectively you're punishing him for (on average) an extra 4 mis-splaced passes in a game. His % of completed passes is still tremendous. And as for equating the actual number of passes with 'effort', well mate, you don't need me to tell you that shorn of context why on earth would those figures mean anything? Take Newcash. Shite though they are, for a little less than half the game they had Viduka, Owen, Martins and then Smith on the pitch. Three direct strikers and a 4th striker/midfielder. Versus 'Boro and their 2 strikers. We got early goals against Boro, against Newcash we were only a goal up; different TYPE of game, perhaps not as many passes to play, perhaps more about keeping shape, discipline, defending more, etc, etc. See, for me, stats without context are bollocks and always have been.
<<He is still a great little player on his day, and I'd pick him ahead of limited players like Bent and Campbell every time, but he is definately not beyond dropping when you have valid alternatives and, as I said, it might even bring the best out of him.>>
No, he's not beyond dropping at all, I agree, but unlike some people, I think he's been doing a very important 'role' for us thus far and I don't think he's been shite or worthy of the chop. I'd like to see him and JD given a run together and yes, I'd like to see Keane set loose to play further up the pitch closer to JD...there again, I'm sure there are people here who are convinced the two can never lay in the same side, so it's all opinions right?!!!
<<Firstly I completely disagree with him being skipper or vice captain in the first place. What example does it set making a player scared of physical contact your skipper ? how can he bollock anyone for not putting a tackle in. Jenas should be vice captain or, in fact several players before Keane. Gomes, Woodgate, Palacios, Corluka, Modric etc.>>
First off, regardless of what you're saying, it seems to be working a lot better than when Woody was skipper (and I am a Woody fan)...as for JJ, I'll put that one down to you simply trying to make a point and not thinking it through. Gomes would be OK but is not outfield, and by god we needed an outfield leader, Corluka as skipper? You're havin' a larf, Luka? Great player, not a skipper and Wilson? Perhaps not the right communicator...sorry, Keane is the best fit.
<<Where were his great leadership skills when we were under the cosh at OT last weekend. In fact when does he ever display leadership skills ?>>
Err...I would say coming into a side that was seriously mired in a relegation battle and helping turn the tide shows where his leadership skills have been. You, and others, will pick OT as a negative, but let's be serious, the entire side had a fucking meltdown, 'Arry didn't react quickly enough and make the necessary changes, and once Bent got injured we had no 'outlet' forward. One-legged man in arse-kicking contest springs to mind, but if you want to blame him for being a shit captain and costing us the game, 'tis your right.
<<Secondly, even if he was captain why the fuck should that be a ticket to perform badly and get away with it ? Especially when we have competition for his position.>>
(sigh) He's playing a specific role/been explained in other threads, etc...now I know that you and a few others think that's a cop-out, so whatever mate, whatever you want to think 'cos I'm not going to convince you.
<<Keane, as ever, remains inconsistant. When he first came back he was running around flapping his arms all over the place, and actually put in a couple of premium Keane performances. Lately he has reverted to just flapping his arms again. Hence the crowd booing when he was left on and Pav was sub'd saturday.>>
Look, I think Pav (with a summer's rest) is going to be tremendous (providing he sorts his attitude out, he is a bit of a softie for a big man) but if you genuinely think a bloke playing with a back injury and not playing at his best should risk further injury by playing 90 mins then I think you're missing a trick.
<<An example of this is Keanes stats v Middlesboro in Feb (Passes 43 out of 49) and v West Brom (28/34)v Newcastle (28/31). This is so typical of Keane. If he put in the same effort, week in week out, I'd forgive his lack of bollocks.But he doesn't.>>
Yes he does. Effectively you're punishing him for (on average) an extra 4 mis-splaced passes in a game. His % of completed passes is still tremendous. And as for equating the actual number of passes with 'effort', well mate, you don't need me to tell you that shorn of context why on earth would those figures mean anything? Take Newcash. Shite though they are, for a little less than half the game they had Viduka, Owen, Martins and then Smith on the pitch. Three direct strikers and a 4th striker/midfielder. Versus 'Boro and their 2 strikers. We got early goals against Boro, against Newcash we were only a goal up; different TYPE of game, perhaps not as many passes to play, perhaps more about keeping shape, discipline, defending more, etc, etc. See, for me, stats without context are bollocks and always have been.
<<He is still a great little player on his day, and I'd pick him ahead of limited players like Bent and Campbell every time, but he is definately not beyond dropping when you have valid alternatives and, as I said, it might even bring the best out of him.>>
No, he's not beyond dropping at all, I agree, but unlike some people, I think he's been doing a very important 'role' for us thus far and I don't think he's been shite or worthy of the chop. I'd like to see him and JD given a run together and yes, I'd like to see Keane set loose to play further up the pitch closer to JD...there again, I'm sure there are people here who are convinced the two can never lay in the same side, so it's all opinions right?!!!
