Should Levy go for his part in the Super League... with a heavy heart I say yes.

[Dzejkob]

No because I don't think we will find anyone better. In 20 years he/ENIC managed to take us to that place only with working with club money. This is something to be a little bit proud of. I would hate more being take over by some oil baron than participating in ESL. But big changes in top are of course needed. We need to improve transfer strategy, scouting, youth development (no loans during Poch era wtf). He would need to step aside from football side a little bit.

 

[Japhet]

Agree. Only option is 51% fan ownership.

Which, lets face it, would be an utter shambles.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Danny Rose was right...

 

[dontcallme]

No, which means I won't be supplying 'evidence', because I never said that. Evidence, hark at Sherlock fucking Holmes.

Kind of feel like you missed my joke.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

No because I don't think we will find anyone better. In 20 years he/ENIC managed to take us to the place only with working with club money. This is something to be a little bit proud of. I would hate more being take over by some oil baron than participating in ESL. But big changes in top are of course needed. We need to improve transfer strategy, scouting, youth development (no loans during Poch era wtf). He would need to step aside from football side a little bit.

If we had of gone to the ESL we would have been governed by oil barons. As for the argument where they have taken us, well the infrastructure of the club is massively improved but in terms of performance we are not the club we where in the 80’s or 60’s but we are better than the 90’s which was our low point. So it’s good but not outstanding.

 

[JimmyG2]

Levy makes two huge blunders in the context of Spurs football tradition
with the failed appointment of 'winner' Mourinho
(I hope they didn't have a 'Special One' trophy cabinet made)
and the European anti competition closed shop plan.
Both decisions smack of desperation to keep Spurs in with the big boys
as they struggle to qualify for the CL.

Woodward should not be the only casualty of this cynical sell out.

 

[GutBucket]

If big guys decide to do it again in 10 years he will join them again, nothing to lose (except some fans and pride) and billions to gain. This sport stopped being romantic long time ago.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

What the hell are we Chelsea fans/City fans?

I thought we where better than this. We know football is dodgy and has been poisoned but the plans for the ESL was the end of normal competition and become a cartel of sorts. It would have made things even a bigger joke than they are now and we would have been part of it.

You can make the argument Levy may have felt he had no choice but as @Amo pointed out with power comes responsibility. You take a risk like this and it goes wrong then it comes with consequences.

Levy may stay and there is little that can be done about it. However the relationship with fans is badly hurt as much of not more than trying to take us to Stratford. Perhaps in time anger will go but Levy’s reputation and even our reputation as a football club has been chucked in the mud.

He still owns 20-30% I believe but if he had any self respect he would allow someone else to become chairman so we can try and put this behind us.

Spot on mate.

Just because all your mates are doing something bad doesn't mean you have to join them. We could've quite easily not got involved and let this dissolve on its own but Levy's statement is scary and shows he has no understanding or regard for football heritage and the values fans have.

The whole attitude of this oh but we'd have been left behind is exactly what is wrong with football and with our owners.

If selling your soul means we don't get left behind then don't fucking sell your soul, If that is the state football has got to and its either disregard the whole clubs legacy and shit on all the other teams and join and closed shop then i'd rather we kept some dignity and principles and if that meant missing out on this disgraceful idea but we end up 7th-10th every season then so be it, at least we'd have not sold our soul to the devil and been part of a movement which has outraged and appalled the whole footballing world as well as completely tarnished our clubs reputation.

Levy has YET AGAIN shown his true colours, he's a profit hungry parasite and whilst I know be careful what you wish for if we can get owners in who have the right principles of what football is about then great, if that's not possible at that level of investment then we need to push for 51% fan ownership, that is the only way now.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Which, lets face it, would be an utter shambles.

Why? it works in Germany.

 

[glacierSpurs]

This whole fiasco only proves why Levy and those owners are holding executive positions running top establishments and not some of us here.

Ask any CEO would he/she even not considered agreeing if the financial benefits could be so monumentally and significantly improved. They may earn millions yearly, but they don't have our time watching football a few times a week with some beer and chips, spending hours typing, protesting and viewing everything on hindsight all based on sentimental value.

Decisions made by top level personnel can never be right all the time, that never happens. Backtracking on the furlough/government grant was another one. But for those who keep thinking Levy and ENIC never thought through all these thoroughly before committing to the unpopular decision are just so wrong. Many of his and ENIC decisions have been proven right in soo many times to get us to where we are now.

Decisions, right or wrong, take balls of steel to make and go ahead. It's all too easy for any of us who is not in the board to say how he could have done better. Whether he comes out to make a video of apology is another matter and that doesn't make him less sorry if he didn't. The statement released from the club has underlined the regret and that can be apologetic enough. Who knows how many of us will be hitting him with another stick had he done a video like Liverpool? Ffs.

There are many aspects Levy and ENIC can improved surely. But just imagine people like Ed, Kroenke, Roman, Perez etc are actually managing us instead. If anyone question Levy & ENIC integrity, we are still lucky to have who we have - they are still better IMHO.

And frankly, what sort of high ground can we stand on if we just constantly question the owners asking for them to leave on every wrong issue magnified while sweeping other achievements under the rug, giving credits lesser than we should have?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Absolutely not. Had spurs not joined, it would have been the 'big 5' that we'd for it. We were never essential for the ESL and we knew it.

Basically, we had no choice. Don't join and risk losing out on the riches, and being lumped together with Leicester, Everton & West Ham.
Or join and see what happens.

Then keep some dignity and morals and don't join.
We DID have a choice.

 

[Trix]

I mentioned yesterday that i find it so strange that if they believed in this concept so much that they all signed up knowing the vitriol and pressure they would get that no one apart from Perez came out and tried to sell this to us.

I dont get it, I mean they all fell like a pack of cards - didnt even put a united front and put together some kind of press conference or meeting to take questions. I just dont get how you can put something together over several years and not even try to sell it to us. All they did was put a shitty logo on an information bare site with Perez being the only one to speak about it. He was clearly the mouthpiece for this but they all seemed to act in isolation

I think they expected the hate from other clubs but didn't realise their own support would be so against it and in such high numbers. It also appears as though although it had been a long time in the planning it was a rush through at the end, due to Uefa CL plans and then a leak to the press.

 

[Bobbins]

Leadership comes with responsibility. And accountability. If you fuck up, you face consequences. I've been a supporter but this is clear cut.

Just in case your question was honest.

Doesn't work like that. His position isn't tenable regardless of available replacements.

That's the textbook dictator's defense: "Dear Leader wants to resign and retire but there just isn't anyone capable of replacing Dear Leader in all his grandeur. Long Live Dear Leader."

This is just naïve. It's like you've been watching Hollywood films and assumed that's how the real world works.

Levy has no responsibility or accountability beyond that to ENIC, the board and Uncle Joe. He doesn't answer to the fans, however much you might like that to be the case. The fans have no real power here (short of refusing to turn up, which won't happen).

And his position isn't untenable just because you think so. What evidence have you got that shows there is no way Levy can remain in charge? What factors are going to force him or ENIC out?

You're talking about principles and forgetting that they're irrelevant in this context.

 

[dontcallme]

Levy makes two huge blunders in the context of Spurs football tradition
with the failed appointment of 'winner' Mourinho
(I hope they didn't have a 'Special One' trophy cabinet made)
and the European anti competition closed shop plan.
Both decisions smack of desperation to keep Spurs in with the big boys
as they struggle to qualify for the CL.

Woodward should not be the only casualty of this cynical sell out.

It's an interesting point. It seems like every chairman of a British club invited said yes. I am not convinced if we had a different owner that we would have done the right thing.

But for me, the fact that he got another big hiring wrong is enough to suggest Levy needs to move away from the football side of running the club.

 

[curlacious]

Would any other chairman not sign up?

I’m afraid this is a case of be careful what you wish for.

Taken in its entirety, on balance, Levy has done as good a job as I could wish for.

 

[Dzejkob]

If we had of gone to the ESL we would have been governed by oil barons. As for the argument where they have taken us, well the infrastructure of the club is massively improved but in terms of performance we are not the club we where in the 80’s or 60’s but we are better than the 90’s which was our low point. So it’s good but not outstanding.

Ha, fair point. But still I have a feeling that we somehow earned our way to be part of ESL, we didn't buy the invitation. I agree with other statement. Good not outstanding. Lot of errors where made that should have been avoided. Organizational changes are required.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If anyone question Levy & ENIC integrity

Will respond when i've stopped laughing. I might be a while.

 

[chrissivad]

Why? it works in Germany.

Do you know how they brought the 51% ownership in, in Germany? (Genuine question)
It sounds a good idea.

 

[dontcallme]

Would any other chairman not sign up?

I’m afraid this is a case of be careful what you wish for.

Taken in its entirety, on balance, Levy has done as good a job as I could wish for.

It's a fair point.

I think overall the ENIC model has worked for us. We've invested in the infrastructure of the club and continuously increased our turnover. As turnover has improved so has our wage budget which allows for higher quality players.

We've always spend within our means so haven't had serious down periods like Villa had.

Our down periods are connected more to poor manager hirings and at times poor player recruitment. Levy clearly struggles on the football side of things.

 

[don1]

I'm not sure but I went with a no,
maybe take a back set and let a different person have a go, but he's a great businessman and has taken the club to a different level off the pitch but on the pitch is a different story,
hard to know,