Sigurdsson - Does AVB see something special I can't?

[Main Man]

I don't hate him at all, just don't think he's all that. He's the most overrated of our players since dear old Pav.

I would agree apart from the fact seemingly nobody rates him!

I would say he is our most under rated player since Jermain Jenas.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I would agree apart from the fact seemingly nobody rates him!

I would say he is our most under rated player since Jermain Jenas.

I think people think he's pretty average, but it doesn't sound that good when you call one of your own team 'pretty average', so people tend to talk him up, and when that happens is the others who think he's just average bring him back down again. Me personally, I don't think he's as good as Niko was, and I don't want him in our starting eleven, much like a lot of the time I didn't think Niko was worthy of a starting place.

And your comparison with Jenas isn't bad, was capable of 3 good games every season but probably not as bad as people made out.

 

[walworthyid]

I'm not a fan at all. I think he is a decent player and is one of those that if he was at Southampton or something we would be saying how good he looks. But at the very top of the game he just lacks the attributes to have an impact. If you take Lennon as an example, he doesn't have to be playing well to make a difference. Yes he can be peripheral at times but his presence upsets defenders and he is a real trojan in terms of his defensive duties. For me, Siggy just doesn't offer enough all though it must be said that playing in front of Naughton does not help.

He will be out on loan in January imo!

 

[OmarsComing]

Does anyone think that Sigurdsson is playing out of position? I saw him like a Lampard type of player, and could you imagine Fat Frank playing LW?

 

[NEVILLEB]

Does anyone think that Sigurdsson is playing out of position? I saw him like a Lampard type of player, and could you imagine Fat Frank playing LW?

I agree. If he's anything he's midfield poacher but we signed Paulinho who fills that role as well as doing a lot more.

 

[Basil Brush]

Apologies as i have not read whole thread.

He has scored goals.

I have more concern about Holtby. Tries hard, plenty of energy but so did Parker.

No way Holtby should start ahead of Eriksen or even Lamela

 

[only1waddle]

Does anyone think that Sigurdsson is playing out of position? I saw him like a Lampard type of player, and could you imagine Fat Frank playing LW?

yes, he has the vision to pass from deep in a CM position but in no way has the mentality or balls to grab a game and dictate it from CM like Paulinho or Dembele.

 

[idontgetit]

yes, he has the vision to pass from deep in a CM position but in no way has the mentality or balls to grab a game and dictate it from CM like Paulinho or Dembele.

He's never been tried in midfield by us so how you can say that I have no idea

 

[CowInAComa]

Apologies as i have not read whole thread.

He has scored goals.

I have more concern about Holtby. Tries hard, plenty of energy but so did Parker.

No way Holtby should start ahead of Eriksen or even Lamela

oh my.

hell has no fury compared to a holtby fan scorned.

 

[only1waddle]

He's never been tried in midfield by us so how you can say that I have no idea

He played deeper in pre season, i should have added IMO so people don't get confused that i know this as a fact..


Edit: and we did try him in a CM2 last season against Wigan, he spent most of the game not in the CM2 positions, kept wandering off upfield leaving Huddlestone on his todd... *shivers at the memory of that game..

 

[jezz]

Once the new signings integrate and start playing regular, players like siggy, lennon, dawson and dembele will be become more of subs that starters.
All good players in their own right and have something to offer the squad, covering injuries and suspensions etc.
AVB wants to get in to the top 4 and is using these players to help integrate the new lads till their settled.
So its patience and more patience please.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Apologies as i have not read whole thread.

He has scored goals.

I have more concern about Holtby. Tries hard, plenty of energy but so did Parker.

No way Holtby should start ahead of Eriksen or even Lamela

does my head in the desire for him to start over players who have thus far performed better in league and cup games.

He has had plenty of chances is cup games and hasn't performed where as Holtby has. AVB is handling him right, he isn't ready.

Holtby didn't have a great game yesterday but he ended up being integral in both goals scored

 

[Mr Pink]

Once the new signings integrate and start playing regular, players like siggy, lennon, dawson and dembele will be become more of subs that starters.
All good players in their own right and have something to offer the squad, covering injuries and suspensions etc.
AVB wants to get in to the top 4 and is using these players to help integrate the new lads till their settled.
So its patience and more patience please.

Dembele will be starting more games than being a sub.

 

[Syn_13]

does my head in the desire for him to start over players who have thus far performed better in league and cup games.

He has had plenty of chances is cup games and hasn't performed where as Holtby has. AVB is handling him right, he isn't ready.

Holtby didn't have a great game yesterday but he ended up being integral in both goals scored

Sometimes that's all you need, and I'm guessing this is exactly why he's playing Sigurdsson regularly.

Gylfi has a knack for grabbing a crucial goal despite not being one of the best performers on the pitch. Perhaps AVB sees him as one of those Milner-esque hard worker types that follow instructions to the letter and put themelves about, managers love those kind of players.

The only problem is that I find that you can't afford that kind of player on the wing when you need creativity to break down teams. Chadli had a little spell there before his injury and, despite not setting the world alight, seemed to be more comfortable on that flank. I wonder if he'll resume his place there after a while.

 

[jezz]

Dembele will be starting more games than being a sub.

I think once capoue and paul settle in, they will be ahead of dembele, as on sunday for dembele, unless he starts to add the final ball or goals to his game

 

[Mr Pink]

I think once capoue and paul settle in, they will be ahead of dembele, as on sunday for dembele, unless he starts to add the final ball or goals to his game

We have incredible strength in this area, they'll all be used quite evenly I think - and tough away trips, like Everton in a couple of weeks I'd expect us to play three of them in a 4-3-3 like how we finished the game yesterday.

Dembele is very much a first teamer, not more a sub or on the fringes.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I think once capoue and paul settle in, they will be ahead of dembele, as on sunday for dembele, unless he starts to add the final ball or goals to his game

So do Capoue and Sandro have to add goals and a final ball to their game too? Dembele plays fairly deep in midfield, gives an out ball to his defenders and midfielders just by the fact that he can handle the ball under pressure and for me he's the best in our team by quite a distance at looking after the ball. You saw it on Sunday when Villa pressed us, we found it hard to move the ball through the pitch in the first 60 minutes. Dembele will play as much as our other important players. I think AVB rates him and appreciates what he gives you in the team and he probably realises that there are other facets to having a good team than assists and goal scoring stats.

 

[jezz]

So do Capoue and Sandro have to add goals and a final ball to their game too? Dembele plays fairly deep in midfield, gives an out ball to his defenders and midfielders just by the fact that he can handle the ball under pressure and for me he's the best in our team by quite a distance at looking after the ball. You saw it on Sunday when Villa pressed us, we found it hard to move the ball through the pitch in the first 60 minutes. Dembele will play as much as our other important players. I think AVB rates him and appreciates what he gives you in the team and he probably realises that there are other facets to having a good team than assists and goal scoring stats.

Dembele holds the ball to long and does nothing with it, this slows the play and the opposition to regain shape and stifle our play.
Sandro and capoue break the play up and give simple balls to our creative players.
If the DM (as dembele does) moves to far forward with the ball, and then loses it, hes out of position and the opposition then has a chance to counter and its only our back line they have to beat. think west ham 3rd goal.
I for one think we have enough AM to break the opps down.
The DM needs to break play up and give simple ball and quickly(which we seem to be struggling with at the moment) which will come.
Dembele came on sunday with the game won and the midfield needed shoring up and he did it well.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Dembele is a DM and an AM.

He's good at winning possession, can pass, dribble and shoot.

A great all rounder

 

[ultimateloner]

Midfield goals are invaluable; that alone is enough for him to start. Its a sign of technique and intelligence. Both are more important features than pace alone.
Whats the value in pace if there is no end product? He also neither wastes nor gives away the ball easily/cheaply. I'd take that over a Taarabt type any day. I am not his biggest fan but you can't argue against goals.