Simple Harry Vote - Yes or No?

[sloth]

TBH, I think you are overreacting a touch.
For a start, I believe Rodgers will need two or three arduous years at Liverpool, maybe four, before he gets them competing. Even then ther eis still the issue of the missing stadium. Will he get that type of patience from the Scouse fans with their overweening sense of entitlement? I doubt it. More like they will be expecting to be challenging for the title by november, when, frankly, even with a genuinely top manager I think that they have their work cut out to even break the top 4 within the foreseable. This is honestly no sour grapes, but I think we were a much better fit for him than that shower. No new stadium even planned, a decidedly inferior squad, medieval training facilities, a youth team packed with traditional English/British youth player types, all physicality and competitive edge, and no finesse - does he know what he has taken on?

And, really, despite issues with Mr Redknapp, largely to do with his narcissistic, verbal diarhaeah media obsession, going missing when he thought he was getting the England job, sheeeeee-ite, we still finished 4th. With our squad + and him concentrating on the job, I don;t think we will be in too much trouble, TBH. With a few strategic additions, I think we'll will be good to go. Verts will be a good start, and one of our biggest problems last season was the uncertainty at centre-half. And we have to believe the strike force will be better, and we have reason to believe it is so. Sandro will come on again.

COYS

I suspect I'm over-rating Rodgers, because I'm gutted at how everything's panned out. So in my mind he's gone from exciting prospect to the second coming

I actually think that Harry's pretty average. Which makes him clearly better or as good as half the manager's out there, but clearly worse or no better than the other half. I rank him somewhere alongside David O'Leary, or Steve Bruce, he's just better at managing the press than O'Leary was. A bit below Curbishley, Holloway, and Pardew. But miles above the likes of Grant, and Keane.

 

[Mackabarrel]

Went yes. For one, simply because I can't see any seamless transition from one manager to another. For 2, I cant be arsed with another transitional season and for 3, in my romantically idealistic life, I hope that his final year he would want to put to bed all the dog shit tactics, fan abuse and bullshit self preservation - hanging out for the England job - and get the players playing, in his final year, to the best of their ability and then give everyone a bit of a send off! Huzzah.

Doubt any of the above will ever occur though. Ho hum.

 

[StartingPrice]

I disagree liverpool this season have been very good except for the fact they havent put the ball in the net, they have hit the post more than anyone this season, if they do start hitting the back of the net they will be up there

Just because they finished 8th doesn't mean they won't be up there next season we finished 8th in 2009 and ended up fourth the next season with a bit of a tinkering, while I'm not saying they will finish 4th but i do think they will be in the race

I made a long list of the issues at Anfield ATM, you have picked one out - and one that is highly subjective. As Ribble has pointed out, most Liverpool fans would agree with me, and disagree with you. Liverpool fnished where the did in the table because that is about where they are just now. Not because they were hideously unlcuky with hitting the post. We had far more ill-fortune than them this season, and still finished 4 clear places, and several points ahead of them. Hell, if we had been giving all of the goals that Ade had wrongly chalked off we would have been even more ahead of them - if they want to convert more of the chances that hit the woodwork they should shoot more accurately

Strangely, I said that they should be working very hard to get themselves back into a competition for top 4 (as contrasted to their fans, many of whom believe they have a divine right for title CL, which ain't gone happen), and you have said you disagree with me, and then ended your post saying I'm not saying they will finish 4th but i do think they will be in the race - which is, basically what I said. Even with much improvement they can't ask for any more than be in the race for 4th - but the fans will not only be demandnig that they do finish in the top 4 (not only compete for it, but qualification will be an absolute minimum for them), but will be expecting a title challenge. This is because they have a massive sense of entitlement that does not match they attainments in recent years. You need to stop respecting their name so much - they have finished below us, rightly, for each of the lsat three seasons. They have no new stadium, and none planned. Their training facilities are primitive. Their first team squad is considerably weaker than ours. Their youth system has concentrated on developing physical players, focussed on being competitive from a young age - the type that have been ciriticised as being the bane of English football for decades. Changes have been taking place in this area for the last ten years - and they have been left far behind. Rondgers has a massive job in his hands, just to reverse that process.

 

[mil1lion]

Like Ramos? like Santini?

Ramos was the hyped manager in Europe when we signed him but an unmitigated disaster, Santini was a highly respected international manager, no certainty a 'world class' manager would be a success

Those 2 were always risky ones really. I mean genuine world class like Pep, Jose, Guus etc. Not that there's a lot of chance of us getting either but that's the only reason I could see for us to replace Harry.

 

[StartingPrice]

I suspect I'm over-rating Rodgers, because I'm gutted at how everything's panned out. So in my mind he's gone from exciting prospect to the second coming

I actually think that Harry's pretty average. Which makes him clearly better or as good as half the manager's out there, but clearly worse or no better than the other half. I rank him somewhere alongside David O'Leary, or Steve Bruce, he's just better at managing the press than O'Leary was. A bit below Curbishley, Holloway, and Pardew. But miles above the likes of Grant, and Keane.

Nah, I would say 'Arry is definitely a top, top coach, triffic...nuffin' doin' there....Daniel will see if he can get it done...I wouldn't think there was anything doin' there...triffic...fack orf fack orf...run arand abit...football manager not fackin' wheeler dealer...doesnot compute, does not compute

Seriously, though, 'Arry was exactly what we needed after Ramos, and certainly better than O'Dreary or Steve Bruce , or, at least, more savvy due to experience. So, I think, as long as he concentrates on his fackin' job, and we strengthen, I think we will be okay, maybe even surprise folk.

Rodgers is an exciting prospect...in the wrong job, IMHO - but I could well be proven wrong.

 

[sloth]

Nah, I would say 'Arry is definitely a top, top coach, triffic...nuffin' doin' there....Daniel will see if he can get it done...I wouldn't think there was anything doin' there...triffic...fack orf fack orf...run arand abit...football manager not fackin' wheeler dealer...doesnot compute, does not compute

Seriously, though, 'Arry was exactly what we needed after Ramos, and certainly better than O'Dreary or Steve Bruce , or, at least, more savvy due to experience. So, I think, as long as he concentrates on his fackin' job, and we strengthen, I think we will be okay, maybe even surprise folk.

Rodgers is an exciting prospect...in the wrong job, IMHO - but I could well be proven wrong.

Not sure his record is much better than either of those? And I can't see anything in his method which impresses me more...

But anyway we all know where each other stands by now. Some will be delighted at how it's worked out with Harry.

 

[StartingPrice]

1) Not sure his record is much better than either of those? And I can't see anything in his method which impresses me more...

2) But anyway we all know where each other stands by now. 3) Some will be delighted at how it's worked out with Harry.

1) The telling expression is that he is more savvy than them - which has been accrued form a lifetime in football. That is what has helped him come to the fore more n later life. He is probably also luckier - you know the old napoleon adage, right?

2) I have no idea where you stand...but you should know, I used to stand in the corner a lot, in various classrooms, due to my authority issues

3) Paolo is downloading vials of his cum into various thread, as we speak

 

[Abdoujaparov]

Statistically we're very likely to get worse than Redknapp.

Recent Spurs managers (non-caretaker):
Osvaldo Ardiles
Gerry Francis
Christian Gross
George Graham
Glenn Hoddle
Jacques Santini
Martin Jol
Juande Ramos
Harry Redknapp

Top 20 managers of the club's history
Based on win % in all competitions
Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
4 Harry Redknapp 2008–Present 123 63 51.22
5 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
6 Bill Nicholson 1958–1974 832 408 49.03
7 Arthur Rowe 1949–1955 283 135 47.70
8 Fred Kirkham 1907–1908 61 29 47.54
9 Jimmy Anderson 2 1955–1958 161 75 46.58
10 Percy Smith 1929–1935 253 109 46.38

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

AVB and Wilkins.

 

[rich75]

As a person, from what little I know of him the man is a liar, and comes across as not a very nice person, but as a football manager, he's one of our most successful ever, and that's what matters so I voted yes.

And yet he's well respected in the game and seemingly well liked by nearly every manager or player that gets asked the question.

 

[StartingPrice]

Statistically we're very likely to get worse than Redknapp.

Recent Spurs managers (non-caretaker):
Osvaldo Ardiles
Gerry Francis
Christian Gross
George Graham
Glenn Hoddle
Jacques Santini
Martin Jol
Juande Ramos
Harry Redknapp

Top 20 managers of the club's history
Based on win % in all competitions
Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
4 Harry Redknapp 2008–Present 123 63 51.22
5 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
6 Bill Nicholson 1958–1974 832 408 49.03
7 Arthur Rowe 1949–1955 283 135 47.70
8 Fred Kirkham 1907–1908 61 29 47.54
9 Jimmy Anderson 2 1955–1958 161 75 46.58
10 Percy Smith 1929–1935 253 109 46.38

By that methodology, David PleatMeister was better than Bill Nich

 

[Abdoujaparov]

By that methodology, David PleatMeister was better than Bill Nich

In his first stint. His rep has been trashed by what came after.

Win percentage isn't everything, but its a better indicator than some of the stuff being said in this thread.

Reckon managers in charge for less than 100 games shouldn't be counted - the sample isn't big enough.

 

[StartingPrice]

In his first stint. His rep has been trashed by what came after.

Win percentage isn't everything, but its a better indicator than some of the stuff being said in this thread.

Reckon managers in charge for less than 100 games shouldn't be counted - the sample isn't big enough.

In his first stint, he built a very exciting team.
He ruined his own reputation by, reputedly, backbiting, and conniving, as he felt like he shouldn't have been sacked and he had some kinda unfisnished business.
So, you are right.
My reaction to the PleatMeister is partially faux, as I think he is hilarious. But it's quite sad, too, really. I don;t know if he coulda carried on the way he was before he was sacked, as our financial troubles musta been building for quite some time, and he may have found himself having his team asset stripped, anyway. But, nowadays, I doubt there would have been much of a fuss over his kerb-crawling: the club would probably have just issued a statement that he had been through a difficult time, needed support, and realised that prostituion was wrong, or summit. But in them days, and I am not making a statement of anything other than fact, ATM, the womens' movement were really strident with the campaign that prostitition was aman problem, and that the real criminals were not the prostitutes but the users.

Anyway, like I said, yeah, he built an exciting team. Yeah, his rep was subsequently ruined - largely by himself. And he I love to have a laugh at his bumbling expense

 

[haxman]

And yet he's well respected in the game and seemingly well liked by nearly every manager or player that gets asked the question.

Well they're hardly going to say they hate him are they? I wouldn't believe Harry's oath mate.

 

[Qualsonic]

Look at that - after YES took an early lead, it is now exactly 50 - 50 after 164 votes. Fascinating.

 

[Kingstheman]

I am going to vote 'No', then set up a second account and vote 'Yes'.

The fence is not that comfortable, though.

 

[Grapo2001]

Look at that - after YES took an early lead, it is now exactly 50 - 50 after 164 votes. Fascinating.

All the depressed people were too busy hanging out in the Transfer Rumours section to notice this thread!

 

[sloth]

Statistically we're very likely to get worse than Redknapp.

Recent Spurs managers (non-caretaker):
Osvaldo Ardiles
Gerry Francis
Christian Gross
George Graham
Glenn Hoddle
Jacques Santini
Martin Jol
Juande Ramos
Harry Redknapp

Top 20 managers of the club's history
Based on win % in all competitions
Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
4 Harry Redknapp 2008–Present 123 63 51.22
5 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
6 Bill Nicholson 1958–1974 832 408 49.03
7 Arthur Rowe 1949–1955 283 135 47.70
8 Fred Kirkham 1907–1908 61 29 47.54
9 Jimmy Anderson 2 1955–1958 161 75 46.58
10 Percy Smith 1929–1935 253 109 46.38

Statistically, if we're talking meaningfully, your analysis doesn't stand up.

 

[Qualsonic]

All the depressed people were too busy hanging out in the Transfer Rumours section to notice this thread!

Transfer Rumours is where it's at.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Meh. none fussed about rodgers going to pool, never boarded the Rodgers hype train myself. had one good season in a newly promoted team like alot of managers had previously. Paul Lambert finshed on the same points as Rodgers but i dont want him replacing Harry.
He played good football at home with swansea sure, but so did blackpool last year, yes he has watched alot of barca and studied them but so have I and i'm not fit to manage tottenham
Roll of the dice from liverpool, could be good for them, or could be another Woy and sacked by christmas

if harry has to go this summer, and i hope he doesnt despite the fact i cant stand the man, it would have to be AVB with a good english number 2. yeah he flopped at the racist scum old boys club but spurs are a bit different to that bunch, and the man's a winner

Brendan Rodgers Meh!