Match Threads Spurs Vs Wolves

[Saoirse]

Doesn’t seem that way at all. Going to take a good few years I think. Spoke to the ticket office in the week and they said they are making season ticket relocations much easier in the summer. So that should help hopefully.

Makes sense. Could be a fairly high number of non-renewals in the Summer. Attendances are patchy, things feel fairly negative again, I think quite a lot of people are realising they're not as comitted to the game as they thought post-lockdown, and finances will be very tight even if the prices themselves were to be frozen. Makes it easier to do relocations.

 

[riggi]

Makes sense. Could be a fairly high number of non-renewals in the Summer. Attendances are patchy, things feel fairly negative again, I think quite a lot of people are realising they're not as comitted to the game as they thought post-lockdown, and finances will be very tight even if the prices themselves were to be frozen. Makes it easier to do relocations.

Im in two minds about renewing tbh. Whenever I don’t go I can’t put it on exchange so I think I’m safe in always getting a ticket if I want one.

 

[Lifelong]

The gutting thing is we can't capitalise on any slip ups from others

We never ever ever do…….

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

"Conte is not beyond question, and his determination to persist with his preferred 3-4-3 system, which does not suit the squad nor get the best from Harry Kane and Heung-min Son, increasingly feels like a blind spot."

From the Evening Standard.

 

[dagraham]

Was at the cinema so decided not to check the score until afterwards. Was probably a wise move.

Very disappointing and now staring at 4 consecutive league defeats.

Such a big game after midweek and with City coming and by all accounts we can have no complaints at the result.

Were we that poor again?

 

[Lifelong]

After the Southampton game it was Lloris who came out and said it was unacceptable and the fans deserve so much better from the team…and then…..

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Mate, I understand your frustration and anger, and I share it for the most part, but it has to be pointed out, we were 90 minutes away from being declared European champions a few years ago, and if not for an utterly ridiculous penalty award after 30 seconds (a penalty which wouldn't have been awarded if the game had been played a few years later...) who knows, we might just have managed it.

I'm just saying perhaps we need to remember that.

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Fair comment, but the penalty was given, however harshly. We didn't put up much of a fight after that. Final after final we've gone out with a whimper. The City final last year was embarrassing.
Am tired of us being losers and also rans

 

[bk75]

Im in two minds about renewing tbh. Whenever I don’t go I can’t put it on exchange so I think I’m safe in always getting a ticket if I want one.

I feel your pain mate, it’s tough at the moment. I’m thinking of relocating to the North Stand. The atmosphere in the south lower is not good imo.

 

[shelfboy68]

Fair comment, but the penalty was given, however harshly. We didn't put up much of a fight after that. Final after final we've gone out with a whimper. The City final last year was embarrassing.
Am tired of us being losers and also rans

Look at the positive mate we are fucking good at losing.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Once again, we are the architects of our own misfortune. I'm fucking sick of it. One minute we're the tigers stalking and perfectly poised to pounce on our main rivals for that precious 4th place with our games in hand, and the next minute we've fallen asleep and let the wildebeest stroll away from us.

It's so fucking painful supporting this club. The way things are going, I'd be happy with a Ropey League place this season, but I'm not so sure about Conte.

At least we've got another easy game next weekend...!

(PS: I was joking about being happy with another booby prize).
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I'm not worried anymore about losing Conte. I was a big fan, but he is making huge errors
I'm not saying Conte out, I just don't care if he stays or goes

 

[shelfboy68]

After the Southampton game it was Lloris who came out and said it was unacceptable and the fans deserve so much better from the team…and then…..

The club is a complete comedy act from top to bottom.

 

[jolsnogross]

Conte deserves a good portion of blame for that shitshow. Every opposing manager coming in sees a midfield 4 with two mediocre wing backs as a great place to exploit. Why he wont knuckle us down with 352 from kick off is a mystery.

It's like watching children playing in this 343 at the moment. Hacking and flapping about at the back with no outlet on either wing. So at a minimum, get more solid for fuck sake.

 

[Gb160]

Im in two minds about renewing tbh. Whenever I don’t go I can’t put it on exchange so I think I’m safe in always getting a ticket if I want one.

I’ve no regrets about ditching mine.
The ambition from the owners doesn’t reflect charging some of the highest prices in Europe, and the new stadium seems half full of wankers, I wasn’t enjoying myself anymore and going became like a chore.
I couldn’t justify it.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Conte deserves a good portion of blame for that shitshow. Every opposing manager coming in sees a midfield 4 with two mediocre wing backs as a great place to exploit. Why he wont knuckle us down with 352 from kick off is a mystery.

It's like watching children playing in this 343 at the moment. Hacking and flapping about at the back with no outlet on either wing. So at a minimum, get more solid for fuck sake.

Last two games, both Hassenhutl and Lage have admitted how they exposed our tactics (dropping back after scoring, and in todays case, two-man midfield) — this formation does not work with these players. I appreciate he’s not got a lot of options but there must be something else…

 

[spursbhoy67]

I might be remembering wrong, but when Sanchez signed I believe we had Poch, Hitchen and Levy primarily involved in the decisions. Two are gone and one no longer gets involved in transfers.

There is a big pyramid under the top three. There is something wrong with our scouting process. If not a technical or tactical issue then certainly a psychological one. Do we look into the mental background of these players? Mentality to win, to deal with pressure, to deal with expectations?

Let me give you an example. I know a club outside the PL that looked at one of our starting players today and said they could not justify signing him from his previous club. Said he was not up the level they required. We went and spent millions on the player.

Who watched him? How many times? Against what opposition? Were they games they won? Was his team ever behind? Was he only good when leading? What formations and oppositions players did he attack well against? Defend well against? Was he watched at international level?

 

[shelfboy68]

Got to feel a bit for the two former juve lads they left a great club to end up in this long running comedy they might need to speak to their agent again.

 

[Yid121]

Got to feel a bit for the two former juve lads they left a great club to end up in this long running comedy they might need to speak to their agent again.

Kulusevski hasn't shown anything to be better than our club

 

[DCSPUR64]

I travelled 3500 miles to watch
today and our last two home games and got absolutely drenched. What can I say.
COYS.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

I'm embarrased to be a spurs fan, I'm embararased you are spurs fans. I'm livid at our owners. Nuff said.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think you already answered the question. We need a complete culture reset and a big part of that is having not only technically proficient players but also players with balls and character. Way too many fragile types in this squad and it will probably take a good two to three windows to resolve. We also need to stop all this talk of top four as we are way off it at the moment. We need to listen to Conte and accept that this rebuild will be slow and painful and we will have to endure days like this along the way. It is the only way to sustainable success. COYS!!

As I said in the now locked rebuild thread though, if fans and ultimately the club decide this is the case then how much are they prepared to see this through?

For any organisation to decide they need such fundamental change is serious stuff and to go down that path you need to be prepared to go all the way with it... So if it's deemed that a complete reset - performance, culture, etc - is needed in order to put together an upwardly mobile and hopefully winning team going forward then for me you need to strike at the core.

What constitutes a "painful" rebuild? What gets to the heart of widespread change amongst the team? Let's take some examples: Selling a marginalised declined Dele Alli I'd argue is actually an easy decision to take. Giving up on signings that haven't worked out like Lo Celso and Ndombele, easy decision to make. Getting rid of the maligned Sissoko and Aurier, easy. Cries to get rid of <insert most lamented current players here>, easy. Of course buying/selling and upgrading your personnel is a fundamental of sport, but if you're talking about big structural cultural transformative change, these examples are all just tinkering round the edges.

There comes a point when you have to make change at the heart of the team, make tough "painful" decisions to remove the establishment in order to go off in a different direction. People can neg rep me or think I'm bonkers, but I'm talking about the likes of Lloris, Kane, Son, etc. On paper and performance maybe our better players, but they've also been ever present through our failure to get over the line and subsequent decline and for some time now general lack of performance and bollocks and standards. Lloris' big game rap sheet is substantial, Kane almost always goes missing in the biggest games, Son is streaky as fuck. These are the core players, these are the establishment at Tottenham, these are the "leadership", these players massively drive standards and culture and how things are done, and for all the good they have done us over the years can't escape being under the microscope.

If you decide a big reset is needed (and, which I've avoided the topic deliberately, how to pay for it......), then in my opinion you have to include and tackle the pillars, the foundations, those at the heart of the team. We've seen it on many other occasions, whether in football or other sports, you remove some of the biggest names - not on ability, but as a symbolic moment - to put it in no uncertain terms to everyone that one book is closed, change is happening, and this team is going off in another direction.

For me, if you're going to do it, and do it meaningfully, do it properly. Everyone's future should be on the table. Has the club, and has the fanbase, really got the stomach for it though......?