The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Shakedown! 13th January 2015

[allatsea]

That's much more to do with Man U overvaluing/overpaying for Shaw than Leicester undervaluing Naughton.

Even £5m means he is only worth about 18% of Shaw.

From what I saw last weekend Shaw and Naughton are on a par as players. Can't believe Man U paid so much for Shaw.

 

[mil1lion]

Someone like Dier?

Maybe so yes. Chiriches is not good enough so we need one more centre back especially with the extra european games next month. I'd like to see Dier partner one other for cup games.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

That's much more to do with Man U overvaluing/overpaying for Shaw than Leicester undervaluing Naughton.

Even £5m means he is only worth about 18% of Shaw.

Thus, "5M is a bargain". So your additional point is exactly... ?

 

[yankspurs]

I must admit, I am a bit concerned by some of the potential sales.

I don't really care about Kaboul going.

The problem lies with us selling both Lennon and Naughton.

Firstly, there's the home-grown issue but I'm sure the club know what they are doing in that respect.

If we just sell Naughton out of the two, Yedlin will become back-up and that's fine, although Chiriches would probably be a better option for now.

If we just sell Lennon, Yedlin could replace him as a RM option, and he can't do that much worse.

However, if we sell both, I think we have a problem. I've seen little evidence, if any, that we're looking to sign a Winger, which we desperately need. If we sell Lennon, and Yedlin becomes RB back-up if we sell Naughton, then we will be very short in that position and will have a very worrying lack of pace (I know @DaSpurs agrees with me on this). I know it may be possible that we could bring back Pritchard (although that's not confirmed IIRC) but he's not that quick.

I think we need to sign another Winger anyway, but with Lennon and Naughton potentially being sold and Yedlin becoming a back-up RB, I'm very concerned.

People will say that we may sign Ings and he can play there but IMO, we need another striker in addition to a winger. Won't happen, and we'll probably end up being short. Again.

Yedlin could provide some pace. We can recall Pritchard. We can use Oduwa or McEvoy. Or we can use Ceballos.

Also, we have Townsend. He essentially adds te same thing as Lennon, which is very close to fuck all. Out RB's and CB/RB have a better cross on them then either of them 2, ffs.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yedlin could provide some pace. We can recall Pritchard. We can use Oduwa or McEvoy. Or we can use Ceballos.

Also, we have Townsend. He essentially adds te same thing as Lennon, which is very close to fuck all. Out RB's and CB/RB have a better cross on them then either of them 2, ffs.

I've mentioned Yedlin and Pritchard in my post. It's still not enough for what we need. McEvoy is nowhere near good enough and Townsend also isn't good enough for what we need. I don't know enough about Oduwa but if he's creative, a good-scorer and pacey as fuck then he might be worth a go.

Edit- Ceballos is also a goner from what I've read and doesn't play anymore.

 

[rawhide]

Thus, "5M is a bargain". So your additional point is exactly... ?

My point is don't compare Naughton to Shaw. They aren't comparable. Shaw was bought as much for potential as for right now (see the Ings and Berahino threads for more - much more - discussion on buying potential).

Having said that, if we are looking at percentages, the jump from £3m to £5m is 67% so I can understand Leicester being slow to meet that asking price.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

From what I saw last weekend Shaw and Naughton are on a par as players. Can't believe Man U paid so much for Shaw.

Shaw is 7 years younger...

 

[allatsea]

Shaw is 7 years younger...

So ? He was disappointing to my eyes and was soon taken off by Van Gaal. From what I have seen of Shaw he is nothing more than a decent fullback with no standout strengths in any part of his game.

 

[Lilbaz]

He's 19 years old. Can we not let players get out of their teens before we write them off?

 

[allatsea]

He's 19 years old. Can we not let players get out of their teens before we write them off?

Of course but usually even very young players have particular strengths which is why they have been given their chance in the first team. As I said I can't see he has any particular strengths. He is rather like Caulker. Both are big strong players but what are they actually good at ?

 

[Breezer]

The Naughton argument works both ways.

Is £5m good value for a English Full back with Prem experience? Yes

However if Naughton played for Team X and Spurs showed interest, but the selling team wanted £5m, i'd be fuming because IMO he's a Championship level defender.

 

[dondo]

Who is better, Emenike or Ayew?

Only one way to find out
Fiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhttttttttt

 

[lemony snickets]

The Naughton argument works both ways.

Is £5m good value for a English Full back with Prem experience? Yes

However if Naughton played for Team X and Spurs showed interest, but the selling team wanted £5m, i'd be fuming because IMO he's a Championship level defender.

For what we paid for both kyle's at the time & considering what Walker must be worth now, combined with the fact that Naughton is a championship level defender (in my eyes), i'd say bite Leicesters hands off @ 3million. Free's up a valueable space in the squad for someone better to come in. Those that are asking for more have a touch of the Levy's about them, greedy buggers

 

[SamR]

I disagree with this, plenty of players come from abroad and settle straight in, Sanchez being an obvious one that comes to mind and demonstrates just how effective a single player signing from abroad can be. Along with the likes of Costa, Aguero, Di Maria etc...

At the more realistic level players like: Tadic, Bony, Pelle etc... prove that this can also be achieved with less spend.

Whilst i completely agree about value from abroad, there are certainly some players in the PL with running down contracts who would improve our squad for this season (Ings) and next season (Milner, Rodriguez). Not saying they are achievable signings, but the determination attribute is something all of these PL players have and one we need in the team.

 

[chinaman]

From what I saw last weekend Shaw and Naughton are on a par as players. Can't believe Man U paid so much for Shaw.

So Levy will wait hoping Manure will offer half of what they paid for Shaw to buy Naughton.

 

[UncleFool]

If Leicester are willing to pay £3m now, only a week or so into the transfer window, then they'll be willing to offer more as the deadline approaches. Levy will use their need, and the interest of other clubs, to try and drive up the price. Never accept the first offer. This may be why bids on deadline day are made; they put pressure on the seller. Right now, Levy is under no pressure to sell. How much he is worth, at this stage in the window, is irrelevant. What can Levy get for him is more the point.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

The "insulting" 3 million is for a right back who is behind in the pecking order of Walker, Chiriches, Yedlin and maybe even Dier.

Just what dream World you live in is beyond me, but the fact is Naughton ain't worth jack shit in the real World of footie.

In a world where Paul Konchesky is still starting in the PL at a fullback slot, Naughts does carry certain level of value

 

[Hoopspur]

If Leicester are willing to pay £3m now, only a week or so into the transfer window, then they'll be willing to offer more as the deadline approaches. Levy will use their need, and the interest of other clubs, to try and drive up the price. Never accept the first offer. This may be why bids on deadline day are made; they put pressure on the seller. Right now, Levy is under no pressure to sell. How much he is worth, at this stage in the window, is irrelevant. What can Levy get for him is more the point.

"Right folks, it's time to play PremPlaya Poker!" (crowd gasp and go oooh.....)
It's the game where everyone guesses exactly how much a team are prepared to pay for a player before moving onto a completely different target from another team or another country. Loud applause.

Surely whatever the player is worth will have been carefully calculated by the clubs concerned? Our perceptions v the reality which include such things as terms and contracts are quite immaterial. If he goes in the end for £3.5m then that will be because that's what he's worth to them and us at this time.

[Edit] - not especially aimed at your post, but it did seem opportune.

 

[robbiedee]

"Right folks, it's time to play PremPlaya Poker!" (crowd gasp and go oooh.....)
It's the game where everyone guesses exactly how much a team are prepared to pay for a player before moving onto a completely different target from another team or another country. Loud applause.

Surely whatever the player is worth will have been carefully calculated by the clubs concerned? Our perceptions v the reality which include such things as terms and contracts are quite immaterial. If he goes in the end for £3.5m then that will be because that's what he's worth to them and us at this time.

[Edit] - not especially aimed at your post, but it did seem opportune.

Read that imagining some cheesy 'price is right' quiz show music was playing in the background...

 

[lemony snickets]

"Right folks, it's time to play PremPlaya Poker!" (crowd gasp and go oooh.....)
It's the game where everyone guesses exactly how much a team are prepared to pay for a player before moving onto a completely different target from another team or another country. Loud applause.

oooh, oooh, me, me ....
Naughton > Leicester for 4.2million & my random will be Lucas to Napoli for 6 million.