The Harry Effect

[al_pacino]

Dave Basset.

I'm sure fans of Wimbledon and to a lesser extent Sheff Utd would disagree.

Brian Kidd

Won many honours as part of the coaching staff at Man U

Glen Roeder

The exception that proves the rule.

 

[SpurSince57]

Brian Kidd

Couldn't make the step up from first team coach/assistant manager to manager, but was instrumental in helping make Ferguson and United what they are today. You might as well use Second Choice Steve as an example—he wouldn't have got the job at United in the first place, let alone kept it, if he hadn't been a first-class coach. Since stepping out on his own, he's had only modest success at club level, and was a disaster for England.

You're floundering.

 

[Rackybear]

Blaming Comolli isn't a red herring at all. I have been one of Comolli staunchest defenders on here, but the as director of football who over saw the purchase of Bent for 16m, Bentley for 15m, the sale of Defoe, Berbatov and Keane in six months and the failure to provide adequate - if not anywhere near as good as I know that would be fucking hard - replacements he was the most culpable and I think his public admission of his disapointment in doing so spoke volumes. I think Everybody could see that going into a season in the ever more competitive EPL with Bent (incredibly limited and not really fitting with the style of football we were trying to play), Campbell (a championship standard kid) and Pav (having played a whole season of Russian football plus euros) was a real recipe for disaster.

I was disapointed that Ramos let the CC win spread some apathy into the squad, but we were safe, in europe and had very little motivation and some players knew they were leaving. Still not acceptable but slightly understandable.

I don't care what anyone says, in the first 8 games this season we put in some good footballing performances, but due to the inadequecy of strikers and the lack of the rub we didn't win. Don't fucking tell me that a team that has 30% of the ball deserves to win a game. It may suit your argument to say that but none of us with even the most rudimentary understanding of football really beieves that.

As for Redknapp, in my opinion he is a prick. He talks shit at every opportunity to engratiate himself with the football press. 10 games ago he was taking all the credit for turning us into a great team. Soon as he's had chance to work with the players and they stop passing and moving and go out to "not loose" and end up getting beat they are all ****'s and he can't put enough distance between himself and them.

Try reading the article by the guy that worked with him at southampton, it's not good reading. Basically Redkanpp sacked him for suggestingthat the players need him to be coaching them instead of sitting in his office reading the Racing Post while Kevin Bond teaches them how to run backwards on the training ground.

And the phalacy that he over achieved with Portsmouth is laughable. He spent alot of money at Portsmouth, more than Martin O'Neil at Villa or David Moyes at Everton. At West Ham he had players like Ferdinand, Cole , Lampard, Kanoute, Sinclair, Foe, DiCanio, Defoe, Carrick to name but a few at Portsmouth he had Diarra, Diop, Distin , James, Johnson, Kranjar, Muntari, Crouch, Defoe, Yakubu, Mendes.

Yet I didn't ever see one game where they played quality passing football and played anyone off the park. They were always sent out with the same game plan that we seem to have been lately.

If none of us are to comment on things we actually don't know for sure then this forum is pointless. You don't really want me leave it other wise you wouldn't be in here posting 1000 word replies. You would have left it.

So your saying that the team that has more possession deserves to win a football match?

Perhaps you dont mean it strictly like that, but its the way it comes across.

I hate your possession arguement, I really do. As I think coyboy has already pointed out, most of that possession was horizontal or backwards mostly between our defenders and JJ / Zokora. You could tell we lacked any footballing ideas beyond the halfway line and the players were literally thinking :shrug: when on the ball. They hadn't a clue what pass to make or who to pass to.

Whats more, im sure dagenham and redbridge if they really wanted could go and keep 60% possession against a top flight club. All they have to do is position themselves well enough, and pass the ball amongst their defenders and midfielders who fall deep to collect the ball. This does not equate to them deserving to win the game though.

My point is we might have kept the majority of possession in the matches under Ramos, but the amount of times that possession was used to go forward and score a goal was very little.

For all our possession football, I honestly felt the result was right at the end of most of our games (bar hull at home). The 30% possession the other teams may have had may seem important to you, but..

1) they were clinical
2) they created chances when they seemingly had so little possession
3) they had more drive, desire and a willingness to make runs and create goals that would win the game

For spurs, all of the above is the opposite.

Maybe our football per-se has been worse under Redknapp, but at least we look like we can score goals and keep clean sheets.

Like ive said, I rate Ramos as a manager, and like you...think things did not fall for him. I do also admire the way he tried to change our football philsophy, diet regime, fitness and what not, but at the end of day - our premiership survival is more important then giving him the time to prove us all wrong. Relegation is no little matter, it could (and may still) effect our name in world football for the next decade or two and where we head as a club. Our football under him this season was dire and we had to get rid to maintain the name of our football club as a premiership outfit (its still at risk though, which is worrying ofcourse).

Just for the record, I dont particularly rate Harry. Wasn't happy when he got named as our head coach, but id like to think he can help us avoid relegation, we'l see what happens with him after that.

 

[arnoldlayne]

From Football365

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Lunchtime With `Arry Redknapp...

Posted 22/01/09 12:23
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I'll never understand women. Some of them don't even bother with the golf.

I've got up this morning and her indoors has left a note saying she's gone up the shops and I'd better have made the lunch by the time she gets back or else. She says she wants spaghetti bolognaise.

Opened up the fridge. Jesus Christ, have you seen what she's left me with? I'm down to the bare bones and no mistake.

There's spaghetti, a tub of pasta sauce, some minced beef, fresh herbs, some parmesan cheese, a bottle of Baron Philippe de Rothschild Opus One Napa Valley 1987 red wine and Claudia Roden's 'Simple Mediterranean Cookery' book! Bloody amateur hour, I'm telling you. How the hell am I supposed to make spaghetti bolognaise with that little lot? I thought there'd be some top, top ingredients in there.

Whoever's bought that from the supermarket should be ashamed of themself. It's a mish-mash of lopsided ingredients. The whole recipe has been badly constructed. It's scary, I'm telling you.

I'm just standing there swearing and muttering to meself when the phone rings. It's Jeff Powell phoning up to say how brilliant I am and that I'm one of the best cooks of my time and that I could have cooked for England. I have to cut him off though because I've got Brian Woolnough on the other line saying I'm one of the kitchen's great characters and it's a bloody miracle how many meals I've made out of literally nothing. They're saying I'm like a Cockney Jesus, the way I've managed to feed the five thousand with the tiny amount I've had to spend in the supermarket and just my wheeler-dealer know-how.

I need some better ingredients and fast. When I saw the wife come home from the shops yesterday with some spaghetti, a tub of pasta sauce, some minced beef, fresh herbs, some parmesan cheese, a bottle of Baron Philippe de Rothschild Opus One Napa Valley 1987 red wine and Claudia Roden's 'Simple Mediterranean Cookery' book, I had no idea that's what would be in the fridge when she asked me to make spaghetti bolognaise.

It's a hard job I've got on here this lunchtime believe me. If I can even get anything into a pan it'll be a massive achievement and I know Jeff and Woolly would agree with me. Trouble is the wife can't take criticism. Too precious these days, women. That's the trouble. I'm short of people with the right character in this house.

When you're as stretched as I am, a lunch is a massive distraction from the really important meal: dinner. I think I'm just going to have to serve up the pot of pasta sauce with some tap water and just hope for the best. If I can pull this mess round it'll be amazing really.

Alan Tyers and John Nicholson

 

[arnoldlayne]

From JohnSpurs2007 on COYS

"Harry's guide to a press interview..."

 

[Rackybear]

hah, thats quality :up:

 

[DC_Boy]

The next three and a bit days could make or break Harry's season and make or break a few spurs supporting hearts and psyches too

he has messed up big time with various comments and interviews

he's sending out a comedy goalkeeping duo later today (no fault of the lads, who are likely to be lambs to not quite a slaughter but a routine defeat, they're just squad fodder who shouldn't be out there)

it looks like he's now going to risk several key players in a game that is simply not important to us results-wise - unless we'd have won it with the 'kids & reserves' which would have been great

and on tuesday - oh lordy lordy, tues what a night that threatens to be

as I've said before, for me Harry (like any manager basically) will be judged on results, not whether I like him or not

stoke is a big big result waiting to happen either way

ATM the omens are not good

 

[Coyboy]

the players were literally thinking :shrug: when on the ball.

They were literally doing that on the ball.

The next three and a bit days could make or break Harry's season and make or break a few spurs supporting hearts and psyches too

he has messed up big time with various comments and interviews

he's sending out a comedy goalkeeping duo later today (no fault of the lads, who are likely to be lambs to not quite a slaughter but a routine defeat, they're just squad fodder who shouldn't be out there)

it looks like he's now going to risk several key players in a game that is simply not important to us results-wise - unless we'd have won it with the 'kids & reserves' which would have been great

and on tuesday - oh lordy lordy, tues what a night that threatens to be

as I've said before, for me Harry (like any manager basically) will be judged on results, not whether I like him or not

stoke is a big big result waiting to happen either way

ATM the omens are not good

Yea and...? Relevance por favor? Have you entertained the idea that playing a few or half of the first team squad today and winning or at least playing well might breed confidence and that a 4-0 bashing isn't going to do wonders for the club's mentality.

 

[Petyr]

They were literally doing that on the ball.



Yea and...? Relevance por favor? Have you entertained the idea that playing a few or half of the first team squad today and winning or at least playing well might breed confidence and that a 4-0 bashing isn't going to do wonders for the club's mentality.

I think that D_C Boy is quite right. If the second string loses against the world champions with several goals that wouldn't be such a big problem. After all Chelsea lost 3:0.

The game vs Stoke is massive. If Spurs fail to win that game the club's mentality will suffer much more than if the second string loses against Man U.

Stoke haven't had cup games and will be in top form physically wise. Given their physical power and the fact that Spurs struggle against such teams, it doesn't make sense to risk key players against Man U. All players that will start vs Stoke must be fresh as this is going to be one hell of a battle.

 

[DC_Boy]

I think that D_C Boy is quite right. If the second string loses against the world champions with several goals that wouldn't be such a big problem. After all Chelsea lost 3:0.

The game vs Stoke is massive. If Spurs fail to win that game the club's mentality will suffer much more than if the second string loses against Man U.

Stoke haven't had cup games and will be in top form physically wise. Given their physical power and the fact that Spurs struggle against such teams, it doesn't make sense to risk key players against Man U. All players that will start vs Stoke must be fresh as this is going to be one hell of a battle.

cheers Petyr

and the annoying thing thing is Harry was talking the talk correctly about this, but inapporiately in his choice of words

now it looks like he's gonna backtrack

if he sends out players like BAE PAv DEfoe modric today and they get injured/suspended for stoke he'll have a lot of explaining to do

further as you correctly imply these players need resting

are any stoke players being risked on the weekend - no

they fielded a much weakened team v hartlepool (as we should have done v wigan - though our weakened team could esily have won because we had access to players like Bostock Taraabt and Jannson at the time)

they effectively chucked the tie and are now sunning themselves in ABu Dhabi and they are gonna be so fired up for Tuesday

and if little ole Alnwick is facing that lot - well I despair

 

[sunnydelight786]

I think the whole "Racing Post" story is a red herring basically made up by someone who thought starting a soccer school mean't he was god's gift to coaching and was pissed off when Redknapp frooze him out at Southampton.

Whatever faults he may have (and there are many in my mind), I would not doubt Redknapp's commitment to the job. The guy is 61, and is getting up at 5am and getting home around 8 in the evening. I don't think I would have the stomach for that and I am in my twenties.

I would if I was earning £3m a year, for that I would drive to Timbuktu and back everyday mate.....

 

[Damian99]

I would if I was earning £3m a year, for that I would drive to Timbuktu and back everyday mate.....

But Redknapp is surely already financially well off, so it can't be about the money anymore.

At 61 he's not getting any younger and probably doesn't get much time(like some of us) with his wife enjoying things that being in football for so long has stopped him doing to a certain degree.

So would you really drive to timbuktu for 3 million a year if you were already set up(money wise)for the rest of your life.

I doubt it very much, unless of course you were actually doing it because you have a passion for the job.

 

[sunnydelight786]

But Redknapp is surely already financially well off, so it can't be about the money anymore.

At 61 he's not getting any younger and probably doesn't get much time(like some of us) with his wife enjoying things that being in football for so long has stopped him doing to a certain degree.

So would you really drive to timbuktu for 3 million a year if you were already set up(money wise)for the rest of your life.

I doubt it very much.

How much money is enough? Speak to a millionaire and he will tell you it's not enough, speak to a multi millionaire and he will say the same, etc.....

In answer to your question yes I would. I'm self employed and set up for life so to speak. I dont really have to go into work as my staff could do everything for me but I am the first at work (8.30am), the last to leave (7.45pm) and work 6 days a week. Why do I do it you ask.... It's the work ethic that was instilled in me from a very young age from my parents/peers. That is the same reason HR does it.

 

[davros]

But Redknapp is surely already financially well off, so it can't be about the money anymore.

At 61 he's not getting any younger and probably doesn't get much time(like some of us) with his wife enjoying things that being in football for so long has stopped him doing to a certain degree.

So would you really drive to timbuktu for 3 million a year if you were already set up(money wise)for the rest of your life.

I doubt it very much, unless of course you were actually doing it because you have a passion for the job.

It cannot all be about the money, though. I have a good friend who works really hard as owner of a private academy. He certainly doesn't need the money, and if he did there are easier ways to earn it. He simply loves doing his job. To not do it would be unthinkable after a lifetime spent in teaching. I would imagine HR is the same. Of course, the money is an incentive, but he is set up for life, and could probably get a less stressful job in the media. He is a football man, though. Like Fergie and Bobby Robson, he wont stop doing what he does until he absolutely has to.

 

[Coyboy]

I think that D_C Boy is quite right. If the second string loses against the world champions with several goals that wouldn't be such a big problem. After all Chelsea lost 3:0.

The game vs Stoke is massive. If Spurs fail to win that game the club's mentality will suffer much more than if the second string loses against Man U.

Stoke haven't had cup games and will be in top form physically wise. Given their physical power and the fact that Spurs struggle against such teams, it doesn't make sense to risk key players against Man U. All players that will start vs Stoke must be fresh as this is going to be one hell of a battle.

Thread relevance?

 

[danielneeds]

How much money is enough? Speak to a millionaire and he will tell you it's not enough, speak to a multi millionaire and he will say the same, etc.....

In answer to your question yes I would. I'm self employed and set up for life so to speak. I dont really have to go into work as my staff could do everything for me but I am the first at work (8.30am), the last to leave (7.45pm) and work 6 days a week. Why do I do it you ask.... It's the work ethic that was instilled in me from a very young age from my parents/peers. That is the same reason HR does it.

That's exactly what I was trying to say though, apparently he was getting equally well paid at Portsmouth, but chose to make his life more complicated and more difficult. For all his shortcomings, lack of passion and work ethic are not viable accusations as far as I can see.

 

[markie]

he should just move to london

 

[steve]

Not an admission of anything. Its a simple fact that if you continue to under perform no matter in what job in life you will get sacked and deserve all you get. And if showing them up in public is a last resort and it sorts them out then great.

And Ramos on the other hand said fuck all in public about his players and do you think he had their respect? Did he get the best out of them? Make them perform to their potential? Did he hell, was that ALL ramos's fault? cos if you do then you're fucking deluded.

Some of you on here make me sick, most of you are just willing Redknapp to fail, fail before he's even started and pick up on anything he does or says.

I bet you want him to get beat in the CC Final so you can come on here and slag him off even more about how he got all his tactics wrong blah blah blah.

You'll be fucking lost if we win won't ya? But no doubt that still won't be good enough for most people on here.

Its fucking sad.

Sorry I haven't replied before I was away.

Regarding the public pronouncements by Redknapp, if they were last resort I could maybe understand it a little more but they're not. He has a history of this type of thing. Same as he has a history of talking about the 'bare bones' etc. At some point the manager must make a stand and take responsibility for the situation. For Redknapp that time will truly come after the summer window when his squad will be assembled. I would expect him to keep the criticisms behind closed doors after that. Like I said I'm not sure he will based on his past record.
And ultimately I don't believe it sorts anything out, it just creates more problems.

As for wanting Spurs to fail and 'wanting him to get beat in the CC Final so I can come on here and slag him off even more about how he got all his tactics wrong' that is just plain daft. See it's not personal one way or the other. I support Spurs and want them to win I don't care who's in charge, I want the team to be successful. I don't have favourite players either although I prefer the good ones lol.
BUT I haven't travelled upto Manchester this weekend to watch Spurs so that I can see them lose and then come back on here and gloat about it. If you believe that then you are, to use your words, 'fucking deluded'.

This is a forum for people to express their point of view on. I don't think Redknapp is the man to take us into the top 5 of the league but I really hope I'm wrong. I just base my opinion on, amongst other things, his past and present actions and measure them up against more successful managers of his era. And that tells me he hasn't got what it takes. I could be wrong and will be more than willing to say so when the time comes.
But please allow people their opinions without resorting to emotional outbursts that accuse people like me of wanting Redknapp to fail and, by default, Spurs, just so I can wallow in the delight of being right. It simply isn't true and it's out of order.

Couldn't agree more mate, Its fucking embarassing

It is if it's true. But I don't think it is for most.

 

[StartingPrice]

All of this concerns memg:

I felt that ramos had a 'masterplan' (but there again, so did Glenda, BMJ...and beyond them the Man in the Raincoat) - but Levy outed them all way before we ever got a chance for that 'masterplan' to work:roll:

I would have been interested if, hypothetically, there was such a thang as a crisis manger, who could come in when a manager (particularly NEW and more particularly FOREIGN &TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH GAME), was having, er, difficulties. Someone like 'Arry would be ideal for that, wouldn't he:shrug: Wouldn't it have been interesting to have seen Ramos, for instance, working in the background implementing his ideas, while 'Arry did the whole 'lifting confidence' thang, and got us some points on the board, and then taking the reins with a more integrated squad. Okay, I know that ain't ever gonna happen 'cos the squad would no longer have confidence in the manager...but it's an interesting thought experiment, ain't it?

I stated at the time that I had grave doubts about 'Arry capable of turning our season around = propably (well, def. to begin with), capable of taking us on to be a top-four force, and a European power (the specific reason Dan Levy wanted Ramos), = :shrug: If not, then isn't this just gonna be another transitional period, when what the club needs desperately is stability. I guess what is at issue with 'arry really is this: is he the English manager who has suffered most from this fad for 'all thangs foreign' in the management market; or is he the reason there is a fad for 'all thangs foreign in the management market' - looks like we are ab out to find out, eh:hump:

 

[Shanks]

Harry is going to struggle to hide from the blame soon though.

He has signed a striker, a midfielder, a new goalkeeper and most likely soon to be a new defender in chimbonda.

Thats a fairly decent recruitment for a jan period, and he is going to need these players to gel straight away.

Starting at Stoke tomorrow.

I'm not even wanting a decent performance, just the 3 points ;-)