The Manager Search 2: Search Harder

[hellava_tough]

I think the problem is we were that Dortmund/Ajax club a few years ago and we tried to transition to something more. The problem is we didn't/couldn't commit to it fully, got decisions wrong etc. etc. Now we're left holding the legacy of that and can't or won't just jettison so much financial outlay.

I'm really not sure where we go as a club now. Like I said the only route I see is getting someone in who can implement some kind of pattern of attacking play and hope we win a cup or two.

I think if we're talking philosophy, coaching, recruitment and sales, there's no reason we can't operate like Ajax, given the fact we've got more than double their revenue, have a much better 'physical infrastructure' and play in the most high-profile league in the world.

Hiring the right CEO, Director of Football, recruitment team, coaches, etc, isn't particularly expensive in the grand scheme of things.

This is what really frustrates me, because we have the resources to do this.

If we were efficently run and played attacking football, in an unfairly financially-doped league, and still didn't win anything I wouldn't complain; at least we're doing our best, with the resources available.

But we're so far off where we could and should be, from a footballing stand-point, it makes you want to pull your hair out.

 

[Clockspur]

It is more likely that Levy himself is the next manager than either of those I’m afraid.

He would make promises to himself about funds for a painful rebuild, only for the summer to come along, those funds not appear and him realise he was lying to himself all along

 

['O Zio]

Gerrard, Potter, Parker, or Rodgers.

I want a British manager.

I want the best person we can get. Couldn't give a fuck what country they're from. This is just one of those attitudes I'll never understand.

 

[Schoon-related]

I think the main problem we have is that we have no system. It would take work but we need to reset, implement a system (attacking fast football) and recruit players and management that fit that system.

Potter has done this quickly at Brighton.

And once that is in place, recruit managers internally. Doesn't matter who they are, they just continue the system.

Instead we are the mercy of DL's latest whims.

 

['O Zio]

In response to a couple of posters saying that managers won’t want to risk their reputations by coming here:

We’re getting close to this situation becoming a ‘free hit’ for any manager coming in - any improvement would be oh-so-gratefully received, and any ‘failure’ would be hard to lay at the new manager’s door when taken in the context of the last two years.

They’d be heroes if they succeeded in turning this around, and I think that could appeal to more than we might currently think.

I think that's probably true for managers who've established themselves in the past but fallen on tough times and are now looking to prove theyve still got it. Even if it doesn't work out with us, someone like that would still get the odd job offer from clubs similar to us

I'm not sure that's necessarily the case for an up and coming manager like Potter. If it went wrong for him here, I suspect he'd have to go all the way down to a club like Brighton again to prove that he's the real deal.

 

[dondo]

The issues are...

(i) There isn't a philosophy of winning at the club.

(ii) The players know that Levy won't push them out of the club, because he wants to squeeze every last drop of 'value' out of a sale. So they're quite happy to cruise along in their luxury, state of the art surroundings and pick up their pay-cheques week in and week out.

(iii) Replacements for said-players are difficult to come by because our recruitment is pretty useless (various reasons for this).

I’m not saying it will be easy but it’s something that needs to be done. I’m not even bothered if a number of players leave without replacements and promote from the u23s.
It’s what made the Pochettino reign when he rooted out the trouble makers and played youngsters who were desperate to play.
We are in for a tough few years and right now I would be happy to get 11 players on the pitch who will at the very least give everything and run their arses off

 

[PaulM]

For all the shit Hitchen gets from Spurs fans (for a throwaway comment), didn’t he want Potter or Ten Hag? I don’t see why either of them would come to us to be honest. Not at this point anyway. Maybe at the end of the season.

Realistically, it’s an Eddie Howe or Scott Parker type appointment and, right now, I’d snap your hand off for that. Yesterday was beyond shambolic. Just like Chelsea. Just like Woolwich. Just like Palace…and we’re only 10 games in.

Next game I’ll get to will be the Bin Dippers at home with my mate who supports them. Now you often hear kids say “well if Liverpool beat United 5-0 and United beat us 3-0, then Liverpool should beat us 8-0.” Normally I would explain that football doesn’t work like that but I could see Liverpool beating us 7 or 8 if we continue with this numpty and play like that.

A weekend with my Dipper supporting mate after they dick us is the only experience I can imagine that will be worse than yesterday.

Fuck you Levy. Fuck you Tottenham.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Fondeca didn't get the job because he was too attacking, so him!

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Hitchen for me is the only person at Spurs I still have any respect for.

Paratici has been a disaster so far let’s face it, Romero aside, and is essentially just a patsy for Levy to hide behind now.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Whatever happens, this just goes to show the absolute futility of hiring a manager on the basis of being a stopover until a "preferred target" becomes available. Yes, there are risks with most available options right now, but I wager we would have done a damn sight better taking a chance with Conte (financial risk) or Potter ("unproven" risk) than the "safe" option with Nuno. To dare is to do.

This appointment was just Daniel Levy buying himself time at the expense of the club. Now that time has run out.

 

[panoma]

There is still time to save this season.

Boot Nuno and get in someone passionate like Conte and I can see a turnaround for us. Sadly, i expect Levy to keep Nuno until it's to late to salvage anything.

Sidenote: all this big "DNA" talk is the most embarrasing stunt ENIC has pulled. How stupid do they think the supporters are?

 

[Swalien]

The way things are going it won’t be long before Sam blooming Allardyce will be linked. We can suggest who we want but it will never be a forward thinking progressive manager who would be able to stamp a successful imprint on the club while we have the club run as it is. One of the best comments I read recently was that Daniel Levy only listens to the last person he spoke to. I am beginning to see that we are going absolutely nowhere while he is in charge. His template worked for a while and we did gain some kind of success, but he should have given way to someone else when the Poch era was over, we will never get to those heights with his stewardship. We are turning into a joke meme club. We should have built on the Dortmund / Ajax type template we were trying to copy during the success of a few years back.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

There is still time to save this season.

Boot Nuno and get in someone passionate like Conte and I can see a turnaround for us. Sadly, i expect Levy to keep Nuno until it's to late to salvage anything.

Sidenote: all this big "DNA" talk is the most embarrasing stunt ENIC has pulled. How stupid do they think the supporters are?

Levy doesn’t care about fans other then getting them to spend money.

 

[hellava_tough]

Hitchen for me is the only person at Spurs I still have any respect for.

Paratici has been a disaster so far let’s face it, Romero aside, and is essentially just a patsy for Levy to hide behind now.

Agree that Hitchen seems to know what he's doing and is certainly highly respected among the ITKs

Not sure Paratici has been a disaster; the players he's brought in have been okay, given the financial constraints

As for the manager search, I'm not sure anyone really knows who suggested which manager, etc

We do know, however, that Nuno was low on the list of choices, so obviously the options were pretty scant for whatever reason

 

[Nebby]

I’m not saying it will be easy but it’s something that needs to be done. I’m not even bothered if a number of players leave without replacements and promote from the u23s.
It’s what made the Pochettino reign when he rooted out the trouble makers and played youngsters who were desperate to play.
We are in for a tough few years and right now I would be happy to get 11 players on the pitch who will at the very least give everything and run their arses off

Poch‘s job off clearing out the trouble makers was easy. The problem today is the squad is full of average players on long contracts. Player recruitment has been a problem for five years or more. We buy a lot of dross.

 

[PaulM]

On the fantasy appointments like Conte or the Argentinian guy, why would they come? You know the squad is weak, your best players look disillusioned and you are just a PSG-sacking away from knowing the fan base will be calling for Poch to return.

It is hard to think of a way that Levy and Paratici could have handled the manager recruitment any worse. Incompetent doesn't begin to describe it. I can't think of a decent sized club ever conducting such a farcical search.

 

[hellava_tough]

The way things are going it won’t be long before Sam blooming Allardyce will be linked. We can suggest who we want but it will never be a forward thinking progressive manager who would be able to stamp a successful imprint on the club while we have the club run as it is. One of the best comments I read recently was that Daniel Levy only listens to the last person he spoke to. I am beginning to see that we are going absolutely nowhere while he is in charge. His template worked for a while and we did gain some kind of success, but he should have given way to someone else when the Poch era was over, we will never get to those heights with his stewardship. We are turning into a joke meme club. We should have built on the Dortmund / Ajax type template we were trying to copy during the success of a few years back.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the Poch era was a total fluke on the part of Levy.

Levy was pretty scatter-gun with the footballing side of things before Poch came along and he seems to have reverted back to type after Poch left the club.

The team that he managed to assemble 2015 to 2017 was pretty extraordinary, with a number of young prospects coming good and the best striker in the world emerging from our youth system.

We also managed to shift our deadwood for prices Levy deemed acceptable, because there were still clubs out there stupid enough to pay big fees for mediocre players.

And this period also coincided with some of the traditionally 'big' clubs taking a dip in form, which massively helped us in the league. I mean, come on, it was a period where Leicester of all clubs managed to win the league!

If Levy was steadily and efficiently doing well with the club before and after Poch, and you could see the planning and philosophy bearing fruit, I'd be confident in his abilities.

But this isn't the case; the guy is all over the place and has been since day one.

He's a clever guy who's an expert in cut-price retail and land development; he's not ruthless or competitive enough to be a CEO in elite-level sports.

 

[crazyguitarman]

On the fantasy appointments like Conte or the Argentinian guy, why would they come? You know the squad is weak, your best players look disillusioned and you are just a PSG-sacking away from knowing the fan base will be calling for Poch to return.

It is hard to think of a way that Levy and Paratici could have handled the manager recruitment any worse. Incompetent doesn't begin to describe it. I can't think of a decent sized club ever conducting such a farcical search.

Re: Conte because he is quoted as saying he enjoys a challenge. He wanted to come here over the summer, nothing has really changed since then. The main hurdle is that Levy would never agree to it.

 

[Cochise]

Regarding Paratici; Romero and Emerson came out with credit yesterday. Gollini as a backup GK can't really be assessed whilst Gil and Sarr are future prospects.

Not a lot to judge him by as there's arguably only two first team signings there. Yes we needed a backup forward but I still think he and all of us have been fucked by Kane being kept on.

 

[0v3rl0r9]

If Mason can take charge for a few games provided Chris Powell is somehow involved, surely we can all take turns every week. Winner stays on.