The Son-Lamela Issue

[DIEHARD]

How do you come up with that conclusion? Its just a discussion. No one mentioned about it being a disaster to our season. I think its you whos trying to think that way.

I think this is the end of our season and perhaps the end of THFC as we know it.

 

[Shea]

This is true, but I would say the evidence largely points to my view being correct.

You would say, that's your opinion. Which is fine

I wouldn't personally agree that the "evidence" really points to anything

What "evidence" do we have?

All you've shown is a clip of Son walking toward the spot wanting to take the kick while Lamela ran to get the ball wanting to take the kick

I don't see how this can be seen as evidence either way, it's just how one interrupts what they see

You see it and to you it appears that Son was designated and expecting to take the kick because of that and Lamela stole a march out of greed

I see it and think both Son and Lamela wanted the kick and there was no specific player designated and that's why a (very minor) argument occurred

If you actually want to talk about evidence pointing one way or another then Poch's post match comments suggest there was no designated player, as do the actions and words surrounding the penalty against Gillingham and even the actions of Danny Rose who came in as a mediator to pull Son away from Lamela and calm him down (why didn't he or any other player step in and say Son should take it as he's designated?)

I'm not even dismissing your opinion. I think it's plausible, but I do strongly disagree with your assertion that your opinion is fact and that there is no doubt about it or even that there is any significant evidence backing up your claim.

It's nothing more than your take on what you saw

 

[Geyzer Soze]

It's nothing more than your take on what you saw

Which is kind of the point of an internet discussion forum isn't it?! May as well shut down the forum now, Admins ... no more use for it.

 

[jonnyrotten]

There needs to be a dedicated pen taker, assuming what poch said was true. I don't buy this whoever is bravest theory.. you could end up with the whole fookin team wrestling over the ball like in primary school! You know what's going to fuck with a guys head just before taking a really important penalty? Having a team mate try and wrestle the ball off you for ages. Assuming Son wasn't given duties before the game, then there's no way he should have made such a fuss with Erik. The fact that Danny Rose came over and pulled Son away also suggests to me that Son wasn't the teams nominated taker, as I imagine our other teammates would have intervened to get the ball off Erik.

 

[Shea]

Which is kind of the point of an internet discussion forum isn't it?! May as well shut down the forum now, Admins ... no more use for it.

Yea I agree it's the point of having a forum for fans to have and express/argue their opinions

In fact that's the very reason I quoted him in the first place

Because he was suggesting his opinion was factual and as such dismissing those with differing opinions out of hand

I have no problem with him expressing or arguing his opinion, I think what he said is very plausible and could well be the case but to say there is no doubt about it is simply incorrect as there is more than enough doubt and alternative options to consider and discuss

For example, I personally tend to believe that neither Son nor Lamela were designated to take the kick and that's why the argument occurred and I think this highlights that we probably should have a taker designated instead of just allowing whoever feels most confident at a given time (and that that designated player should not be Lamela)

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Yea I agree it's the point of having a forum for fans to have and express/argue their opinions

In fact that's the very reason I quoted him in the first place

Because he was suggesting his opinion was factual and as such dismissing those with differing opinions out of hand

I have no problem with him expressing or arguing his opinion, I think what he said is very plausible and could well be the case but to say there is no doubt about it is simply incorrect as there is more than enough doubt and alternative options to consider and discuss

For example, I personally tend to believe that neither Son nor Lamela were designated to take the kick and that's why the argument occurred and I think this highlights that we probably should have a taker designated instead of just allowing whoever feels most confident at a given time (and that that designated player should not be Lamela)

There definately needs to be a designated Pen taker. I find Poch's assertion that there is not very hard to believe tbh. (Opinion )

 

[Pellshek]

I don't know what's going on here, but I don't for one minute believe Poch lets the players sort it out for themselves on the pitch.

 

[UpTownSpur]

Don't waste your breath mate. He's Francis Gibbs Apprentice

Frankie will be along soon i inagine to aid him.

You've just shown why the Lamela thread is so toxic. You're unable to engage in any meaningful discussion without becoming tribal. I'm disappointed in you though yankspurs. I thought you were better than that.. Kaz hirai I expect it from though.

 

[yankspurs]

You've just shown why the Lamela thread is so toxic. You're unable to engage in any meaningful discussion without becoming tribal. I'm disappointed in you though yankspurs. I thought you were better than that.. Kaz hirai I expect it from though.

Mate, in what world is this topic even a meaningful discussion? Its just someone making a big deal out of nothing and trying to see something that isnt there. There is no rift in the squad at all. They hugged at full time. End of story.

Lamela and Son are both immensely important players in this side and do different things that compliment each other well and having them both on the pitch together has proven successful.

 

[EQP]

It was the ref's fault that we are even having this conversation, should never have given a penalty knowing damn well that Lamela and Son would have a disagreement over who's going to take it!!!

 

[luptic]

Who cares? We won, might be different if we drew or ended up losing. Have a word with them and make sure it doesnt happen again.
I would have had Rose hitting it, in Kane's absence

 

[Shea]

There definately needs to be a designated Pen taker. I find Poch's assertion that there is not very hard to believe tbh. (Opinion )

You don't need to state its only opinion when your statement already contains words like "I find" and "hard to believe"

Of course the other possibility is that Lamela (for some reason) was the designated taker and Son's involvement put him off

I don't think it's that hard to believe we didn't have a designated taker. For one that was our first penalty awarded since Feb and usually we have Kane on hand, Janssen has played in Kane's absence and would have been the natural taker

Yesterday was the first time I can recall us lining up without either Kane or Janssen and we clearly worked so hard on other tactics and methods for that game that perhaps the pen taker was overlooked and a notion of allowing players to decided amoungst themselves based on who felt confident seemed reasonable in theory (maybe we weren't expecting to have a 2 goal cushion and more than one player being very keen on taking it)

I'm sure now that if indeed Poch is telling the truth he will now change his mind about not having a designated taker in the future

 

[UpTownSpur]

Mate, in what world is this topic even a meaningful discussion? Its just someone making a big deal out of nothing and trying to see something that isnt there. There is no rift in the squad at all. They hugged at full time. End of story.

Lamela and Son are both immensely important players in this side and do different things that compliment each other well and having them both on the pitch together has proven successful.

That's like saying some guy drank a bottle of vodka then went driving on the motorway but it doesn't matter because he didn't kill anyone. He could have killed someone! Lamela could have cost us a title if Man City got back in the game. He deserves critism for what he did and it must never happen again.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

That's like saying some guy drank a bottle of vodka then went driving on the motorway but it doesn't matter because he didn't kill anyone. He could have killed someone! Lamela could have cost us a title if Man City got back in the game. He deserves critism for what he did and it must never happen again.

He may deserve criticism for what you think he did.

Alternatively, Son may deserve criticism for what others think he did.

 

[Gassin's finest]

This is just purely guesswork. How do we know that Son hasn't been designated to take the penalties and Lamela ran and grabbed the ball first, and Son tried to rightfully get it back just trying to follow instructions? We don't. Before people come and shut me down with the 'Poch said he didn't have a designated penalty taker' of course he going to say that, trying not to open a can of worms for the press. I find it hard to believe a team who's full time job is to play football haven't had the foresight that a penalty may occur and designated someone to take it.

As soon as Lamela stepped up for some reason my heart sunk a little, so did everyones in the room, seemed it was inevitable he would miss. Son's the man in form who was the logical choice, he should have taken it.

 

[kaz Hirai]

You've just shown why the Lamela thread is so toxic. You're unable to engage in any meaningful discussion without becoming tribal. I'm disappointed in you though yankspurs. I thought you were better than that.. Kaz hirai I expect it from though.

Yawn I'm not really interesting in engaging with the Apprentice, I'd much rather deal with your master

But the simple fact is, if what happened yesterday was between son and Eriksen this thread wouldn't be 5 plus pages and you certainly wouldn't be posting in it. You know why?

BECAUSE IT ISNT A FUCKING BIG DEAL

 

[AssaTM]

We beat City 2-0 convincingly and we're going over a tiny squabble for a penalty kick? you lot would literally faint if you found out that GASP sometimes the players even argue! it's like they're human or something and that we all do it!....how bizarre

 

[DJS]

We beat City 2-0 convincingly and we're going over a tiny squabble for a penalty kick? you lot would literally faint if you found out that GASP sometimes the players even argue! it's like they're human or something and that we all do it!....how bizarre

Not really because what if City had then pulled one back and put us under the cosh at 2-1?

Penalties are not to be wasted, especially against top teams like City.

Lamela made a bit of a fool of himself really as if you're gonna snatch the ball you gotta score it really and put us 3 goals clear.

Son is clearly in the better goal scoring form (and more of a goal scorer throughout his career) so Lamela should have thought of the team and let him take it.

If we'd have drawn or lost that I'd be rightly fuming with Lamela for being so wasteful of an opportunity.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

NBD.

 

[Mr.D]

5 pages. Pff