The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[beats1]

Not sure what you mean mate, sorry.

But either way, we wouldn't be able to do a Fryers situation to those types of players

I meant using a third party like Standard Liege to take away one of our best players

Like losing someone like Edwards to say a club like Vitesse for six months so he could go Chelsea or etc.

Its a great tactic of avoiding to pay compensation but just a shame we did it on such a poor player

 

[IGSpur]

How do you know it's levy's rules and not poch's? How do you know poch hasn't said to levy i'm not going to waste time giving him minutes if he's going to leave? It might well be levy but as far as i can tell that is only assumption and speculation.

Fair enough. I'm just basing it on the past repeating itself. Poch may well have said that as well, but again, I don't think including him in the squad is wasting time on him. No more than Lesniak and Sterling who stand less of a chance making it here than Edwards. I'd be surprised if all of a sudden Poch thinks Lesniak is top quality after him being behind Winks, Onomah and Amos and then sending him on loan to a Czech league. Granted he may want to give him his chance but then I'd question why Poch has only just picked up on his ability now, due to the others not being eligible for various reasons as he gets to watch them day in day out in training. It's make me question the planning again. So I'd argue he'd be wasting time with Lesniak too.

IMO I don't see how having an extra player doing drills in Hong Kong or at Hotspur Way when the u18s sometime train too is wasting time on him

 

[Lilbaz]

Fair enough. I'm just basing it on the past repeating itself. Poch may well have said that as well, but again, I don't think including him in the squad is wasting time on him. No more than Lesniak and Sterling who stand less of a chance making it here than Edwards. I'd be surprised if all of a sudden Poch thinks Lesniak is top quality after him being behind Winks, Onomah and Amos and then sending him on loan to a Czech league. Granted he may want to give him his chance but then I'd question why Poch has only just picked up on his ability now, due to the others not being eligible for various reasons as he gets to watch them day in day out in training. It's make me question the planning again. So I'd argue he'd be wasting time with Lesniak too.

IMO I don't see how having an extra player doing drills in Hong Kong or at Hotspur Way when the u18s sometime train too is wasting time on him

I don't know. But i'm pretty sure poch would have picked the squad not levy.

 

[spurs9]

So when we like the player we treat them differently by progressing them quickly and convince them to stay by no doubt giving them incentives. Said player doesn't get opportunities they want, and aren't so quick to commit their future, when they don't know what's going on. Player gets criticised as not believing in what we're doing and can do one if he doesn't blindly commit, and wonder why he thinks he should get special treatment after being given special treatment.

Also the hypocrisy of the situation is also mainly down to Levy I reckon and his harsh policies. If there is a good chance he won't end up with egg on his face or a player isn't massively sought after, he doesn't mind them playing. Whereas the players that are clearly quality and Poch rates and would like to play e.g. Edwards and Veljkovic, are the ones where if they got their chance and likely played well then went for free it would look embarrassing for the club. I think Levy is just trying to avoid mini Sol Campbell situations. If they play and do well, we lose a valuable asset for free.

Whereas someone like Lesniak isn't going to be considered a big loss if he was to be given a chance. Harsh policy we employ.

If Lesniak gets a contract after being selected by Poch, and we know he only chooses players if he believes they're good enough, then I wonder if BC will start receiving apologies on this forum, after being mocked for the year

I don't think it is that at all, I just think it is a case of, if they refuse to sign a new contract, we don't play them and give opportunities elsewhere, if we are unsure and haven't offered them a contract, we will still play them to give them a chance to prove themselves, then either offer a new contract or let them go. I think Lesniak is in the latter category.

 

[IGSpur]

I don't know. But i'm pretty sure poch would have picked the squad not levy.

Maybe. And like you said Poch could have just said in agreement with Levy if you don't sign I don't want you to come, either way its a sad situation, seeing a kid being given an ultimatum. After hearing Pochc compare him to Messi, and claim that if he had someone with Dembele's talent at a younger age he would have made him World Class I'm eager to see how he would work with Edwards.

We hear about how ruthless football is and just discarding young players, and you've got one who appears to just want to play football and see a pathway for himself, and those in power, are basically saying we'll stall your career if you don't sign for us.

 

[IGSpur]

I don't think it is that at all, I just think it is a case of, if they refuse to sign a new contract, we don't play them and give opportunities elsewhere, if we are unsure and haven't offered them a contract, we will still play them to give them a chance to prove themselves, then either offer a new contract or let them go. I think Lesniak is in the latter category.

Maybe. But again it puts pressure on the young person to sign, and if they end up signing we've missed out on valuable development opportunities. Fortunately we have someone like Shashoua that can step in.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't think it is that at all, I just think it is a case of, if they refuse to sign a new contract, we don't play them and give opportunities elsewhere, if we are unsure and haven't offered them a contract, we will still play them to give them a chance to prove themselves, then either offer a new contract or let them go. I think Lesniak is in the latter category.

This is pretty much my take on it too. I just don't particularly agree with (us fans) getting all pissy or sanctimonious at most of these kids when they choose not to sign or buy into everything the club wants or see a better future (rightly or wrongly) elsewhere.

There's two sides to this and I don't really blame either for looking out for their own interests within reason.

 

[spurs9]

Maybe. But again it puts pressure on the young person to sign, and if they end up signing we've missed out on valuable development opportunities. Fortunately we have someone like Shashoua that can step in.

Whilst that maybe putting pressure to sign, on the flip side the player and/or agent is trying to put pressure on the club to increase wages or game time that the player my not deserve (talking in general terms not specifically about Edwards).

 

[spurs9]

This is pretty much my take on it too. I just don't particularly agree with (us fans) getting all pissy or sanctimonious at most of these kids when they choose not to sign or buy into everything the club wants or see a better future (rightly or wrongly) elsewhere.

There's two sides to this and I don't really blame either for looking out for their own interests within reason.

I agree but at the same time I wont start having a go at the club for not playing them either.

 

[mill]

So when we like the player we treat them differently by progressing them quickly and convince them to stay by no doubt giving them incentives. Said player doesn't get opportunities they want, and aren't so quick to commit their future, when they don't know what's going on. Player gets criticised as not believing in what we're doing and can do one if he doesn't blindly commit, and wonder why he thinks he should get special treatment after being given special treatment.

Also the hypocrisy of the situation is also mainly down to Levy I reckon and his harsh policies. If there is a good chance he won't end up with egg on his face or a player isn't massively sought after, he doesn't mind them playing. Whereas the players that are clearly quality and Poch rates and would like to play e.g. Edwards and Veljkovic, are the ones where if they got their chance and likely played well then went for free it would look embarrassing for the club. I think Levy is just trying to avoid mini Sol Campbell situations. If they play and do well, we lose a valuable asset for free.

Whereas someone like Lesniak isn't going to be considered a big loss if he was to be given a chance. Harsh policy we employ.

If Lesniak gets a contract after being selected by Poch, and we know he only chooses players if he believes they're good enough, then I wonder if BC will start receiving apologies on this forum, after being mocked for the year

Why would anyone apologise to bc for wrongly judging wanyama as a poor player? Which was what his argument for using lesniak was based around. He's completely changed his view on wanyama now.

I agree with his approach in general, what have njie and nkoudou added over the last 2 seasons that oduwa couldn't of have. BC was just wrong about Wanyama as a player

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

All this speculation, I think Edwards not playing would have to do with his application in training, Amos & Lesniak are fighting for a contract so are going all out.

 

[bigfrooj]

Lesniak is 21 - he may have matured and kicked on just like Ryan Mason did for example. That may be why Pochettino wants a closer look at him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree but at the same time I wont start having a go at the club for not playing them either.

Maybe that's where we differ then, because if I think a player, academy or bought senior isn't getting what he deserves in terms of chances I'll say so. Buying and playing people like Chiriches instead of giving Veljkovic some minutes (especially after watching him do ok in pre season). Buying players l'île Njie, Nkoudou and Sissoko instead of giving Pritchard a chance. Piss poor management of resources imo.

 

[Bulletspur]

Buying players l'île Njie, Nkoudou and Sissoko instead of giving Pritchard a chance. Piss poor management of resources imo.

I agree that Pritchard wasn't given a chance, but neither has Nije or Nkoudou IMO

 

[Anuth]

CCV starts for US U20

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree that Pritchard wasn't given a chance, but neither has Nije or Nkoudou IMO

They got more chance than Pritchard.

 

[nicdic]

Can we not do the Pritchard thing every 10 pages. He was about to get a chance when he got injured then injured again. And then left.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Can we not do the Pritchard thing every 10 pages. He was about to get a chance when he got injured then injured again. And then left.

Don't get so precious, we do everything to death, it's who we is. This is just part of a wider debate and Pritchard is a more relevant and recent example. And for the record, Pritchard was on the mend when packed off to WBA. And we bought Njie and Nkoudou knowing we had Pritchard.

 

[Bulletspur]

Can we not do the Pritchard thing every 10 pages. He was about to get a chance when he got injured then injured again. And then left.

Why?

 

[smallsnc]

Good to see Carter-Vickers playing for the US in the U20 WC after coming back from injury. Looked very solid today as the US took the lead in their group with a 1-0 victory over Senegal.