The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Hoddle_Ledge]

Anyone know how Nyan Mesuria got on in the U15's games at the end of May? Was 'borrowed' from Ipswich.

Just seen his Dad has got one of his montage viedos picked up by the viral accounts, seems the way to get noticed these days. Looks like he's still at Ipswich, whilst training in Spurs gear. I'm half Indian, would have loved to have the first Indian play for Spurs!

 

[gp13tot]

Strong rumours that we're in for a couple of Leyton Orient youngsters. I'm sure everyone knows their plight over the last few years under the lunatic menace that was their last chairman. Well anyway, one of the bright sides was that their highly productive youth system was able to pump out talent after talent to fill out the gaps in the first team.

The two we're interested in are prolific striker Tristan Abrahams (18) (scored bundles for the youth side & got 2 in 9 for the first team since debuting, he's scored about six already in pre-season) and very Tottenham-esque midfielder Steven Alzate (18), by Tottenham-esque I mean lovely dribbler, good passing, good balance - I'd compare him in style to Kirby.

They've got some cracking youngsters there at the moment. Centre Backs Michael Clarke (19) & Dan Happe (18) look very composed, Josh Koroma (18) is an exciting winger & strikers Sam Dalby (17) & Ruel Sotiriou (17) are both excellent, the first gangly but strong and the second fast and a clinical finisher who seems to score at least two per game at youth level.

Saw this earlier but couldn't post.

Excited by these links you mention. Towards the end of the season Orient chucked a few of their young uns in and I remember Jeff Stelling raving about Abrahams. Obviously not a scout but he's football mad and his team were playing at that level so he'd likely have seen quite a bit of him. SSN when they show the EFL highlights one evening, I saw this Abrahams and he stood out even in a short highlight package. Don't know anything about Alazate but if they have a strong academy it would be well worth taking a punt on them. Shame about Palace and BHAFC being interested in Abrahams as I suspect he would favour moves there as it would likely be a quicker path to the first team.

If you hear anymore on this chap, I for one would be interested to see if we can bring these in to our system, particularly Abrahams.

Finally, appreciate you might not know, but did we ever sign that Tom Bayliss from Coventry or was it a dud link?

Cheers

 

[Spurzinho]

Saw this earlier but couldn't post.

Excited by these links you mention. Towards the end of the season Orient chucked a few of their young uns in and I remember Jeff Stelling raving about Abrahams. Obviously not a scout but he's football mad and his team were playing at that level so he'd likely have seen quite a bit of him. SSN when they show the EFL highlights one evening, I saw this Abrahams and he stood out even in a short highlight package. Don't know anything about Alazate but if they have a strong academy it would be well worth taking a punt on them. Shame about Palace and BHAFC being interested in Abrahams as I suspect he would favour moves there as it would likely be a quicker path to the first team.

If you hear anymore on this chap, I for one would be interested to see if we can bring these in to our system, particularly Abrahams.

Finally, appreciate you might not know, but did we ever sign that Tom Bayliss from Coventry or was it a dud link?

Cheers

Yep, nothing happened. Just a rumour that did the rounds. Could still happen because there's plenty of window left but I have no ITK info on this at all.

 

[cliff jones]

Ok fair enough, maybe I misunderstood you, but to say we aren't truly competitive is a bit daft, no ? We were pipped to the title by a side that didn't have European football to contend with. We have only lost a RB and clearly have a very talented one emerging. We have Onomah and Winks to bring into CM and We also have players like Lamela and Nkoudou (god willing maybe Edwards if he signs his contract) who would be like new signings if they get involved.

And if we sell Sissoko we'd be even stronger.

Think you know Bus, I'm not suggesting we haven't been competitive in the league- I'm suggesting when we have to make changes we lose competitiveness, and I'm more interested in winning silver than qualifying for the CL.

I believe we could fix the issues with a couple of additions where it's pretty clear the academy options are not going to cut it- next season. CCV is clearly not ready in the short term so I want to see someone broughtt in who's battle ready. People laugh but I like Evans of WBA, and I think Veltman could be a good signing at RCB/RB.

CCV is fifth choice, but for three positions and I'm not going to make excuses for him because he's 19. Actually I would if I saw any promise whatsoever but at the moment i don't.

 

[Spurzinho]

Anyone know how Nyan Mesuria got on in the U15's games at the end of May? Was 'borrowed' from Ipswich.

Just seen his Dad has got one of his montage viedos picked up by the viral accounts, seems the way to get noticed these days. Looks like he's still at Ipswich, whilst training in Spurs gear. I'm half Indian, would have loved to have the first Indian play for Spurs!



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Still at Ipswich, training in Spurs gear and surrounded by Leyton Orient youth players. But weird.

 

[cliff jones]

This is possibly the most ridiculous of all the ridiculous things you've posted in this thread. CCV was very poor against PSG - but he was 19 and playing against the best team he's ever played against. Most world class CBs weren't playing first team football at all at 19. It's a position which requires so much experience and nous. Writing him off from what we've seen thus far is a joke.

He was worse v Wycombe. Next? Ah, he was even younger then, so even more deserving of a get out of jail free card? We are trying to win trophies, not run a pub team where everyone gets a game.

He shouldn't be playing first team football, not at this level, at this stage in his "development". That's my point.

I've written him off for now, yep, because he's shown nothing whatsoever. Someone else should be given a try.

Mr Ridiculous.

 

[coys200]

Wouldn't be surprised if tanganga surpasses Ccv.Theres only a year difference in age.Infact I could see Ccv going out on loan and tanganga taking his spot.

 

[IGSpur]

Anyone know how Nyan Mesuria got on in the U15's games at the end of May? Was 'borrowed' from Ipswich.

Just seen his Dad has got one of his montage viedos picked up by the viral accounts, seems the way to get noticed these days. Looks like he's still at Ipswich, whilst training in Spurs gear. I'm half Indian, would have loved to have the first Indian play for Spurs!



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Aren't those pics from last season anyway. He may have been the 3rd player along with Brown and Knight that joined for the tournament in USA, but don't remember much about him. Brown and Kinght played a lot more I believe. Have you got the montage?

If you're looking for Indian players Dylan Duncan is with our u23s and Dilan Markanday is with our u18s. We have 2 already that you can look forward maybe coming through.

We also had another, Dillon Desilva but I suspect he has been released

 

[SandroClegane]

He was worse v Wycombe. Next? Ah, he was even younger then, so even more deserving of a get out of jail free card? We are trying to win trophies, not run a pub team where everyone gets a game.

He shouldn't be playing first team football, not at this level, at this stage in his "development". That's my point.

I've written him off for now, yep, because he's shown nothing whatsoever. Someone else should be given a try.

Mr Ridiculous.

Glad our manager isn't writing him off.

 

[cliff jones]

Glad our manager isn't writing him off.

Bully for you.

Let's see how he does. You'll clap happily either way.

 

[cliff jones]

Again, I don't see why replacing our 5th choice centre back is an issue.

I don't think anyone has suggested what you are saying that we will have a full squad of academy products. On occasion some may get a bit excited, but most just opine about who they think could and should receive a chance.

Personally if I have seen someone in the U21's and like what I have seen and think they have certain qualities, I'd rather they were given the opportunity before we looked to buy - especially when talking about positions 20-25 in the squad. I'm not scared though if they fail, I'd rather find out. Now to be honest, CCV would be quite far down my list of how I'd rank academy prospects of the last few years, but I'd give him more than 45 mins in a friendly before saying he would be a disaster in the first team. He's 19. Remember Kane?

He's had more than that. Got nothing to do with Kane or any of the other academy grads. I'm not talking about them.

The last player I wrote off was Tom Carroll, because he wasn't good enough either. I don't do it often because there's nothing more special than seeing someone come through.

I remember once years ago, early eighties, when we had to field almost an entire reserve team against the then mighty Liverpool at home. The atmosphere was absolutely amazing, we literally willed them on. They produced a remarkable display to win. One of the best memories of the old Lane.

 

[coys200]

I don't think anyone can say they've seen enough of Ccv to write him off yet.He certainly is a unit,was thinking he reminded me of Paul mcgrae the other tonight.if he turns out anything like him we've had a result.

 

[Bulletspur]

He's had more than that. Got nothing to do with Kane or any of the other academy grads. I'm not talking about them.

The last player I wrote off was Tom Carroll, because he wasn't good enough either. I don't do it often because there's nothing more special than seeing someone come through.

I now see where you are coming from as I too said that Tom Carroll was not good enough for us despite the "rave" views by alot here. However I am reserving judgement on CCV for now having not seen enough of him.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Tbh CCV reminds me a bit of Caulker. A bit flat/heavy footed and slow on the turn. Mistakes don't bother me that much in a young player especially in friendlies but it's more about the raw attributes and potential you can see in a player so in that sense I think it's fair to question whether he can step in to the first team, personally I would have my doubts.

 

[mano-obe]

Need Edwards to sign a contract and get him some playing some domestic cup games

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Dier's presence will help these kids as he is able to play consistently well at any of CM, RCB, RB but in a 4231 is behind Wanyama/ Dembele, Alderweireld and Trippier respectively. The result, because he will expect to play most games, he will be used consistently as there will be many games and injuries/ suspensions, allowing us not to sign a new CM/ RB/ CB and therefore not stifling Onomah, KWP and CCV. These three boys will never have a better chance to put themselves in contention than this tour, and never a better chance to break through than this coming season.

Essentially our squad looks like:

Lloris
Vorm
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Rose
WPeters CVickers Wimmer Davies
Wanyama Dembele
Onomah Winks
Eriksen Dele Son
Lamela Sissoko Nkoudou
Kane
Janssen
​

With those underlined in actual fact behind Dier, a player who Pochettino trusts as one of his leaders and someone who we can rely on to play consistently well, follow instructions and give his all. His presence means that signing a new Rb, Cb or Cm, while all would be nice, just isn't essential if the right player for us isn't attainable, so those three youngsters in particular have a real chance to break through (and Winks continued breaking through).

 

[THFCSPURS19]

He's had more than that. Got nothing to do with Kane or any of the other academy grads. I'm not talking about them.

The last player I wrote off was Tom Carroll, because he wasn't good enough either. I don't do it often because there's nothing more special than seeing someone come through.

I remember once years ago, early eighties, when we had to field almost an entire reserve team against the then mighty Liverpool at home. The atmosphere was absolutely amazing, we literally willed them on. They produced a remarkable display to win. One of the best memories of the old Lane.

Carter-Vickers had played 4 matches of professional football. Can you confirm that you believe that is enough to judge a player's career prospects?

 

[taidgh]

Add to that, CBs take ages to mature as there are so many positional complexities. It's obvious, though, that he needs gametime. Maybe a loan wouldn't be such a bad thing.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Think you know Bus, I'm not suggesting we haven't been competitive in the league- I'm suggesting when we have to make changes we lose competitiveness, and I'm more interested in winning silver than qualifying for the CL.

I believe we could fix the issues with a couple of additions where it's pretty clear the academy options are not going to cut it- next season. CCV is clearly not ready in the short term so I want to see someone broughtt in who's battle ready. People laugh but I like Evans of WBA, and I think Veltman could be a good signing at RCB/RB.

CCV is fifth choice, but for three positions and I'm not going to make excuses for him because he's 19. Actually I would if I saw any promise whatsoever but at the moment i don't.

I disagree completely that KWP and Onomah aren't ready. They are ready. And they'll make mistakes like all our players do, but they will also hopefully develop into very, very good players that could potentially far exceed the value to the team that any players we could buy will.

CCV I have always had reservations about. But I don't think as fifth choice it will be easy to find a quality option who's actually great who will want to be a fifth choice CB, so I'm not really pissing myself about it. I can remember us buying Fazio and Chiriches who didn't exactly impress either.

Due to our financial circumstances and the transitional relocation period I would happily accept a season where we have to take a step sideways or backwards short term to take a couple forwards in the long term. If we sign new players they may well take time to settle in and show their best anyway, just as Son, Lamela, Eriksen, Sissoko, Nkoudou etc have, so why not give KWP and Onomah a similar chance. And I personally don't believe KWP and Onomah would let us down at all.

 

[rambu]

Quick question: with McGee gone and if Pau's not here this year, who will be our third keeper?