THST call for club's board to resign in wake of European Super League fiasco

[Lo Amo Speroni]

haha, yeah you never know do you? But I don't think a new owner is guaranteed to be worse, which is what a lot of people seem to think. We just don't know.

But at what point does the devil you know become unacceptable? Surely there's a line?

Anyway, one day they will sell the club, wether that's in the next year or two or in ten years time you're going to have to face your demons eventually

Oh I am no longer BSoDL but I do wonder if stadium boost in finances would see more spent on the team. He needs to show the team is most important thing now.
The Amazon debacle caused me to cancel my BSoDL subscription but will still give him a chance to use the stadium income.

 

[Japhet]

Wasn't one of the reasons behind the ESL the general thought that players are having to play far too many games, and this would help stop player burn out? I know it's a minor consideration compared to the financial rewards, but it's a valid point that trekking round Europe playing on cabbage patches is hugely disadvantageous to the clubs that have to play all those extra games. Maybe people should consider that next time we face a midweek trip God knows where in the qualifying stages and our players inevitably run out of gas at the sharp end of the season.

 

[Shadydan]

Woodward?

 

[jolsnogross]

For me its about the devil I know. Scares me what new owners may look like.

This is a good distillation of what modern capitalism seems to have wrought. It's like an abusive relationship where the abused clings to the idea that the abuser is bad, but could be worse, so I'll stick with it.

And I'm not suggesting capitalism isn't good when properly regulated.

Just that these guys are all replaceable with better people. Like footballers, there's an endless supply of potential executive leaders out there. Ones that could make a clear statement regarding good ethics. People with better judgement, on football, on our club's direction, and on football's direction as a monumental commercial success because of its competitiveness and risk. Not despite that good merit-based stuff.

It's a bit of a dark world when lots of folks on here throw their hands up and say the only alternatives to Levy are petro-slave-state overlords.

And the likes of Perez at madrid and equivalents at Barca and Juve have turned their clubs into economic basket cases. That doesn't scream "let's follow their lead" to me. This kind of "move fast and break things" idolatry can stop whenever you choose. There are better options going forward.

 

[lis spur]

Which large organisation or individual with no unscrupulous background or need to make cash would the great unwashed Spurs fan want to replace our present owners, The most philanthropic person in the world could step in and be vilified the next day. Football supporters and business owners are mutually exclusive ,our present owners have had success and failure in equal measures ,granted the failure on the pitch is the bone of contention for most of us,but i dont think it is through the lack of trying.
Better the devil you know.

 

[Japhet]

This is a good distillation of what modern capitalism seems to have wrought. It's like an abusive relationship where the abused clings to the idea that the abuser is bad, but could be worse, so I'll stick with it.

And I'm not suggesting capitalism isn't good when properly regulated.

Just that these guys are all replaceable with better people. Like footballers, there's an endless supply of potential executive leaders out there. Ones that could make a clear statement regarding good ethics. People with better judgement, on football, on our club's direction, and on football's direction as a monumental commercial success because of its competitiveness and risk. Not despite that good merit-based stuff.

It's a bit of a dark world when lots of folks on here throw their hands up and say the only alternatives to Levy are petro-slave-state overlords.

And the likes of Perez at madrid and equivalents at Barca and Juve have turned their clubs into economic basket cases. That doesn't scream "let's follow their lead" to me. This kind of "move fast and break things" idolatry can stop whenever you choose. There are better options going forward.

What options?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I can’t see Enic selling for a very long time. If they value the club at north of a billion quid, there can’t be many buyers willing to take a punt with the initial cost

North of 1billion maybe some way off the mark if the government sanction a BM 51% fan control. Who is going to buy into a club where you cannot control what you own.

I think the number of fans attending the small protests show how much the majority of fans care. The reality is we would be spitting blood if we had not been part of the gang. As far as I have read it was a proposal that they were investigating and apart from agreeing to work together what have the six really done wrong. Unfortunately for them The Times (Sky) got a whiff of what was going on and forced their hand before the plans could be finalised.

Unfortunately top level football is all about money. The premier league and fa eufa and fifa allowed the Chelsea, PSG, Manchester City etc to be brought and financed by grotesquely rich people which has denied the remaining clubs the likelihood of winning major titles negligible.

I don’t like it but the ship has sailed and I do not blame Levy for doing what he did.

We all bleat on here and other formats of social media that we want better players, want to win things and to sit at the top table. Well fellas that costs a lot of dough which we don’t have. Levy saw an opportunity to help himself and us.

Ironically the real driver of the anger has been sky which started this greed in the first place and the players who take 90% of the money.

The only irony is that due to the weak spine of the group of six has meant that they are potentially going to end up not controlling their toy. And that will have a big impact on the other premiership teams which they might regret to. In time we might all be the poorer for letting this proposal go.

 

[jolsnogross]

What options?

Any decent executive. We don't have to replace Enic, just Levy. It's not a cult, it's a company.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Levy saw an opportunity to help himself and us.

 

[Japhet]

Any decent executive. We don't have to replace Enic, just Levy. It's not a cult, it's a company.

Sounds like a piece of piss.

 

[spursfan77]

Levy, being the clever sort of fellow he is, who likes to deliberate and think. Knew exactly what sort of potential for fallout there might have been. Not just from fans, but from the wider picture of the EPL and other clubs. He gambled, I'm sure he thought it was worth it, but lost out. He's made spurs even more of a laughing stock and more importantly, shown a lack of integrity.

Other chairmen have left, because they know that the damage they have caused, not just with the fan base. But the wider picture will make their roles that much more difficult.

In a tumultuous season, with the Jose farce this was the last thing that was needed.

If he had any honour, I think he'd seppuku. Club desperately needs a restructure and new direction anyway. Just terrible timing with no head coach in place. Perhaps he will go once that is sorted.

I know two people who have dealt with him in business and they found the opposite was true. One said “under prepared” the other said “unrealistic and doesnt understand the current market”.

Absolutely nothing to do with football at all but their comments couldn’t help but make me think about how he deals with transfers and why people don’t want to deal with him unless they have to.

 

[TTID]

Embarrassing response. Sounds like it was written by 15 year olds in their anti establishment class at the local liberal no uniform school.
Capitalism is here to stay for the foreseeable future, and football is the biggest benefactor of capitalism there is. But people are moaning because these BUSINESSMEN (in capitals so people realise most football clubs are run by people who are in the world of making money, or in some cases controling entire populations) are being even more greedy than normal. Who would have thought! At the same time the fan base cry when it takes more than a day to sign a player for £70m on 150,000 a week.
People need to get a grip of reality. Why would any new owner want to buy the club when they think fans are going to have power to make decisions. That's not going to happen.
If people want to support clubs that don't have to make decisions based on multi million pound transactions then there are lots of local clubs who would love their support and letters.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The trust is making itself more irrelevant than before, which is a shame. This super league thing isn’t as outrageous as it’s made to look like, and on top of it it didn’t even materialise. It’s beyond me that this is the thing supporters act up for when top tier football has sold out ages ago. Water under bridge, unless somebody is going to put together a crowdfunding and have the fans buy the club.

 

[beuller]

Genuinely thought you'd have more to say than that, after disagreeing with so many posts in this thread. ^^ everlasting seconds

 

[parj]

Ask yourself why.

The bloke has shat on the fans, shat on the club and shat all over football in general. He's got the Premier League refusing to deal with him and his own fans calling for his head and i'd suggest his continuing as chairman will not be doing us any favours in the long run. I would imagine that going forward, every time we try to sign a player, we'll either get the other clubs point blank refusing to deal with him or you can add a few million on to the price.

Right now I cannot see an up side to Levy carrying on as Chairman. No offence but it amazes me that people can't see this, as I said elsewhere, in football you'll never get complete agreement, although in this case it's not far off that really

I've always said that there is literally nothing Levy could do that would have some people turn against him.

This proves it.

In relation to ESL, would you risk falling behind by not joining in when there is an insane amount of money on the table? We assume the club's would have stayed in the PL because nothing to the contrary was confirmed. So we are still in the PL and not ESL so we now operate on half the transfer budget of Arsenal. Dybala joins Arsenal because they could pay the transfer fee and we couldn't. Do the fans say it's ok because we didn't join the ESL or that Levy should leave because he didn't join?

Don't forget, we have fans hoping that we get a free spending billionaire but when Roman and Mansoor bought their clubs, they were ruining the game.

Our perspective changes when we start seeing the success of it or feel left out because we didn't win a trophy or miss out on a signing because we couldn't afford the fee and our wage structure is too rigid.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Genuinely thought you'd have more to say than that, after disagreeing with so many posts in this thread. ^^ everlasting seconds

I don’t believe in long posts.

 

[beuller]

I don’t believe in long posts.

Fair do's.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

In relation to ESL, would you risk falling behind by not joining in when there is an insane amount of money on the table? We assume the club's would have stayed in the PL because nothing to the contrary was confirmed. So we are still in the PL and not ESL so we now operate on half the transfer budget of Arsenal. Dybala joins Arsenal because they could pay the transfer fee and we couldn't. Do the fans say it's ok because we didn't join the ESL or that Levy should leave because he didn't join?
This risk being left behind business. I feel It's a poor justification really and it totally flim-flams what I feel is the point. There shouldn't have been these discussions in the first place, six clubs acted how they like and shat on everyone and if one or two owners had some nads, not to mention decency, it wouldn't and shouldn't have even got off the ground. He could have killed it, they could have killed it, beforte it even got off the ground, they weren't presented with a fair accompli, they had a choice.

Don't forget, we have fans hoping that we get a free spending billionaire but when Roman and Mansoor bought their clubs, they were ruining the game.
Yes they were, but that's a complex issue and it was within the rules, football has got a lot wrong with it but that doesn't make THIS right.

Our perspective changes when we start seeing the success of it or feel left out because we didn't win a trophy or miss out on a signing because we couldn't afford the fee and our wage structure is too rigid.
Being left out is no excuse for agreeing to take part. Agreeing fed it.
ENIC/Levy have never really pushed the football side, what makes people think it would have been any different with this. I could not say, with any confidence, that Levy would have suddenly started being free and easy with the money and putting the football side first. It's widely accepted that he's neglected the playing side and I see nothing in there to suggest that would change. This is about greed. Pure and simple.

I just don't get some of the things people are saying, none of it addresses the actual thing, they are excuses for rank poor and unacceptable behaviour. You can't shit on the club and it's fans and get away with it. Football is getting worse and worse by the year and every club, the FA, UEFA, all of them have sat back and let it happen, but none of that, none of it, excuses this. This has now kickstarted what we all hope is the momentum for change and I hope it's taken. Sitting back and allowing them to get away with it shouldn't even be on the table and if that means Levy's head, meh, I can live with that. And that's talking about the game in general, not to mention our clubs reputation.

All IMO of course, I hope no offence was taken, none was meant

 

[MassadaTom]

North of 1billion maybe some way off the mark if the government sanction a BM 51% fan control. Who is going to buy into a club where you cannot control what you own.
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I don’t think that they can force it on existing clubs, they can probably demand that 50+1 would be available in case of sale which would be great in warding off oil slavers and mobsters. Thou I don’t remember how it worked in case of MU.

Levy decided to take part in and organise invitational tournament instead of CL. Project failed.
We (as club) suffered some image damage, and our relationship with league and football structure is compromised.
Rest is conjecture.
Is that enough to ask for his head? Iam not sure.

Similarly Levy decided to take par in Amazon documentary and hire Mourinho.
We suffered (as a club) some image damage and our league and Europe standing is severely compromised.
Is this enough to ask for his head? Iam not sure but taking last 2 years under consideration we can probably demand some restructuring at top level.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I’m not a Levy or ENIC fan but I really cannot see what they’ve done wrong other than being a little naive and stupid along with the other 11 clubs in regards to the closed shop part of the new ESL

Football is just a business now. Kicking a ball around is secondary unfortunately for us

A new structure is inevitable unless there is a wage and transfer cap. Clubs need to be able to generate more money unless your billionaire owner is willing to dip into his own pocket