We are too good for a player like Shane Long
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EastLondonYid
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Instead of Chadli for one... he makes AJ look like Ronaldo.
We basically let Long and Jelavic go toe to toe against or two central defenders, without midfielders positioned to cut of supply to them or pick up balls that dropped.
Neither Vertonghen or Dawson are players that prosper under those conditions. Many strikers would look good under those conditions.
The question is where we want to be. Would Shane Long get near Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal or City? Not too likely. We'll be better off giving playing time to Lamela, Chadli or even Soldado (even if he did deserve a good beating after yesterdays performance.)
Neither Vertonghen or Dawson are players that prosper under those conditions. Many strikers would look good under those conditions.
The question is where we want to be. Would Shane Long get near Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal or City? Not too likely. We'll be better off giving playing time to Lamela, Chadli or even Soldado (even if he did deserve a good beating after yesterdays performance.)
dagraham
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I agree with your general point, there is a bit of arrogance about who is or isn't good enough to play for the mighty Spurs. Daniel Sturridge being the prime example.
There is a difference in playing for a big club though, in that so much more is expected of you, unlike say Hull, where as long as you put a shift in and keep them up, that's good enough.
Our problem imo is we seem to buy players with little regard for the league they will be playing in and the suitability to fit in with the team.
That and the fact that we very rarely pay market value for strikers (unless we are threatened with relegation or have £85million burning a hole in our pocket).
There is a difference in playing for a big club though, in that so much more is expected of you, unlike say Hull, where as long as you put a shift in and keep them up, that's good enough.
Our problem imo is we seem to buy players with little regard for the league they will be playing in and the suitability to fit in with the team.
That and the fact that we very rarely pay market value for strikers (unless we are threatened with relegation or have £85million burning a hole in our pocket).
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tiger666
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Because he isn't very good. I'm not saying Soldado is either but that doesn't mean we should go for Long. 8 in 34 last year. 8 in 32 the year before. You can dress it up in as much "unfashionable player" guff that you want but we should be aiming higher than that. We have enough mediocre players at the club, Long would be another player that would get slaughtered on here and another prime candidate for "get rid in the summer".
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Ribble
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AJ has certainly hit form, but look at how long it's taken him to do so. I'd rather we gave Townsend time to develop than put Johnson ahead of him.
As for Long, he's a great worker but as I said in the thread dedicated to him the questionable aspect is his ability to keep it up over a season. If he had the athletic ability to pair with his mentality he'd be an excellent player, not least because he'd be able to have been pushed harder in training and development.
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this thread makes me want to punch some snowmen, or angels, or goldfish..
0-Tibsy-0
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There are some good teams though that have been on par with the better teams in the Prem over the last few years.
Soldado against:
Villarreal- 3 goals
Athletico Madrid - 4 goals
Sevilla 6 -goals
Athletic Bilbao- 8 goals
Real Madrid- 4 goals
Real Sociedad- 5 goals.
He is a good striker, and I agree that he hasn't delivered in terms of goals yet (some of his build up play has been excellent) in regards to the price paid, which wasn't his fault-he had a buy out clause. It pisses me off that people spout nonsense and claim he is 'shit'. he obviously isn't.
kaz Hirai
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That's what Arsenal supporters have started calling him so he might have heard it off a goon.
I might be nutz and rainbow optimistic but I have a feeling soldado will look great next season...assuming he doesn't get sent back to Spain in the summer
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We've got enough inconsistent wingers, without adding another to the ranks.
SpursManChris
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omarscoming has that covered! http://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/lets-all-laugh-at-tottenham-hotspur-thread.104802/
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Syn_13
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It's difficult because to compete where we want to compete we need to have top quality players. Unfortuntely, we haven't got the pull, be it money or status, that the big boys have and so our best bet is to try and unearth some gems. The problem with this is that not all of them are going to work out. We've unearthed Bale, Berbatov, Modric and Carrick to name a few in recent years. Vertonghen, Lloris and Sandro are also quality players we've unearthed too. The problem is, because of our restrictions, we're not likely to keep these players. Out of the lists I gave the former are players we just couldn't hold on to, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to the latter. So once we do build a strong team we're always going to have it cut down to size, and we then have to make sure we get a replacement to fill that void.
Signings players like Long isn't the answer. He looks great for Hull, or that level of club, because he simply is that level of player. You get Championship players like that who bang in dozens at that level and can't do it in the EPL. The jury's still out for me on some of our signings this year but we may have essentially done that ourselves. Signed players who work for those leagues and are fantastic overseas, but can't quite work it in the Premier League. Unfortunately, it's nigh on impossible to tell whether they're going to work out here. They could have all the attributes required but one little thing stops it from working out.
I think when we make signings we do need to sign players with some Premiership experience so that they know what they're in for, but unfortunately the Premiership is overpriced. Not even just the English players, it's any player that starts doing well over here. Unless we get taken over by a Sheikh or Oligarch we can only rely on our current strategy and hope that we get a season where it all falls into place. Your talking about signing good, raw talent that develops well (like a Modric or a Bale), having the right players to fit the right system, a healthy dose of luck, and good fortune in the injury department.
Signings players like Long isn't the answer. He looks great for Hull, or that level of club, because he simply is that level of player. You get Championship players like that who bang in dozens at that level and can't do it in the EPL. The jury's still out for me on some of our signings this year but we may have essentially done that ourselves. Signed players who work for those leagues and are fantastic overseas, but can't quite work it in the Premier League. Unfortunately, it's nigh on impossible to tell whether they're going to work out here. They could have all the attributes required but one little thing stops it from working out.
I think when we make signings we do need to sign players with some Premiership experience so that they know what they're in for, but unfortunately the Premiership is overpriced. Not even just the English players, it's any player that starts doing well over here. Unless we get taken over by a Sheikh or Oligarch we can only rely on our current strategy and hope that we get a season where it all falls into place. Your talking about signing good, raw talent that develops well (like a Modric or a Bale), having the right players to fit the right system, a healthy dose of luck, and good fortune in the injury department.
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Even if we really wanted Sturridge, Roman wouldn't have allowed it
SlunkSoma
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I think he offers something the others don't though. Obviously he would have to keep this current form up until the summer, but if he realises his potential he'll be a very good player.
dagraham
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He's always had ability. It's just his attitude and lack of professionalism that's held him back.
Hoddle&Waddle
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I think you have to give Gus Poyet major credit for turning Johnson back into the player many thought he could be. I think he could do the same for Lamela, who's a similar player IMO, maybe even more gifted. Poyet would certainly be a major contender for our next Manager if it was up to me, with the added plus of, along with Taricco, both being former fan favourites at The Lane.
