Well done Levy and co.

[Everlasting Seconds]

Again, the mass exodus. This gets brought up every transfer window. Literally every single year we have posters saying our manager and all our players will leave yet it still hasn't happened to us or any other club that I'm aware of.

That was indeed an absolute possibility 14-15 months ago or so. It's probably not as much a likely scenario right now. If it can become a reality again in the future, who knows.

 

[mpickard2087]

No one is unhappy with where we are.
It's where we're going next that scares the living shit out of me. We're at a fork in the road where we push on to the end, or we go the other way, which will almost certainly see it come crumbling down.

We have a manager and an entire squad that are very close. Upset him and he leaves. He leaves, most of the them will either follow or leave out of protest. It's a perfect little ecosystem while it's working, but anything goes wrong and it all goes belly up.

I think that's a bad way to look at it. Things are going to change anyway. Purely on law of averages Poch is probably closer to the end of his reign than the start of it. The same goes for a large number of players (age, that they've been here for 5+ years already).

It's not realistic to have the same set-up on and off the pitch for like 10 years, especially when we're not (yet) a top table club, a group building in increments till they eventually reach the top. Change always happens in football. Get ready for it. The mark of a club is how they mitigate, plan for, and get through it. Life goes on, maybe the next group will take up the baton and do better (as miraculously happened after the Redknapp 'as good as it gets' era)......

 

[tiger666]

That was indeed an absolute possibility 14-15 months ago or so. It's probably not as much a likely scenario right now. If it can become a reality again in the future, who knows.

Plenty of people have thought it was possible in the past. It's still never happened.

 

[dontcallme]

Again, the mass exodus. This gets brought up every transfer window. Literally every single year we have posters saying our manager and all our players will leave yet it still hasn't happened to us or any other club that I'm aware of.

Can’t believe people still think the mass exodus theory is anything but complete bollocks.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Can’t believe people still think the mass exodus theory is anything but complete bollocks.

You can't write it off until it's tested. It's what happens when a big "player" gets the hump and goes, how do the rest react.
If Kane or Poch decided enough is enough, how does the other react? Does Kane follow Poch to Madrid? If that happened, what does Dele and Eriksen do when we get a poor manager in to replace Poch and some useless *&^% from Holland to replace Kane?
It's a domino effect that's that's with one and can take 2 years to fully play out.

 

[spursfan77]

Can’t believe people still think the mass exodus theory is anything but complete bollocks.

Exactly. Players care about 2 things. Playing games and getting paid. Sure they might be happy or relieved that their manager leaves but above all else they only care about those two things. The only time teams ever face a mass exodus is when they are relegated and thats only because the players get their pay halved!

 

[tiger666]

You can't write it off until it's tested. It's what happens when a big "player" gets the hump and goes, how do the rest react.
If Kane or Poch decided enough is enough, how does the other react? Does Kane follow Poch to Madrid? If that happened, what does Dele and Eriksen do when we get a poor manager in to replace Poch and some useless *&^% from Holland to replace Kane?
It's a domino effect that's that's with one and can take 2 years to fully play out.

But it's never happened. It only exists in the minds of pessimists.

 

[Lilbaz]

Im sure not even Lighty64 thinks that we have to do all our business on transfer deadline day....

Soory was meant to say "i'm sure everyone thinks the end of the window is deadline day".

Might have been a little drunk.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

But it's never happened. It only exists in the minds of pessimists.

Never happened? What, in the history of football?

 

[Lighty64]

So at what point do you consider it to be the end of the window.... deadline day??

I accept that we cant pay 20m extra for every player we go for but when you haven't successfully been able to make any moves in the market, blaming all the other teams or indeed the market itself is really just a lame excuse for failing.

Its not just this window, if we take Sanchez as the replacement for Toby (which many have indicated is the case) we haven't upgraded the 1st XI for 2 years.
Poch has done incredible things with this squad but if you believe that rate of improvement will just continue on with the same players... you are kiddin yourself.

Every other team is making moves to strengthen, some significantly, granted that is no guarantee of success but its as close as you are going to get.

If it means the last day then so be it, if we had a team that was struggling in the bottom half or relegation I’d understand the panic a little. No signing is guaranteed a start, no early signing is guaranteed to not pick up an injury by the start of the season.

I’m not blaming the market or other teams, I’m going from what I have read from itk on why certain deals are not happening. All the bed wetters are attacking Levy without any proof he is the blame. Before when we couldn’t offer decent wages, and had to try and get prices down the Levy was to blame, yet we have finished top 3 last 3 seasons, if you thought we would do that 5 years ago I’d be shocked.

To upgrade on the squad we have, you need to have the resources, and until now those resources have not been available, we did have a season where we had 8k a week less, that’s less food, drinks and merchandise.

I still don’t see anyone other than Liverpool that might of improved, but none of those players are a guarantee. Players take time to settle and are unproven in the PL. I haven’t seen 1 signing other than Mahrez at a push that I wished they had signed for us. Chelsea have the next best, but if the keeper, Hazard, Willian, and Morata leaves, how is that strengthening

 

[wrd]

I think we are in a kind of a catch 22. We've bought the players we could get our hands on previously, largely from abroad, in a bid to broaden squad depth. It has largely backfired. Here; I'm not saying that all signings have backfired, but that signings which specifically were meant to expand the depth have not contributed to said depth. Now, we are left with specific needs of upgrade to solidify the squad further. I believe everybody on the club inside agrees to that. But, we have too many foreign players so there is no sense in signing more of those. We can't attract home-grown players who are solid enough to make a difference, and we can't seem to be able to sell foreign players who are disposable from the group of squad players that we didn't really need. Until one part of that loop is broken, or until Levy panics and does something foolish in the last 24 hours of the window, we are not going to sign anybody.
And that will become the achilles heal of the entire season.

And we won't feel the effects until the big knockout stage or the semi final comes and we are lacking that little bit of extra quality to either get the second goal or when we go behind make changes from the bench which can turn the game. We will largely be successful in terms of keeping pace in the league and then drop points in the big 6 pointer games because again we just lack that bit extra but the relative success of keeping pace will paper the cracks.

 

[riggi]

We all laughed at West Ham fans kicking off with eachother but I can see the same with us. Our fan base feels pretty divided right now, more so than before.

 

[yido_number1]

We all laughed at West Ham fans kicking off with eachother but I can see the same with us. Our fan base feels pretty divided right now, more so than before.

I think we always are at this point in the window. Then magically out of nowhere we sign some players and everyone has a happy pill. One thing is for sure and that is that we will sign players before the window closes. Who and what quality I'm not sure but you know it will happen. The injury to Wanyama was a tipping point for me. I expect we will more or less replace him this window and look to do a deal that see's him leave in the summer.

 

[yiddo]

If it means the last day then so be it, if we had a team that was struggling in the bottom half or relegation I’d understand the panic a little. No signing is guaranteed a start, no early signing is guaranteed to not pick up an injury by the start of the season.

I’m not blaming the market or other teams, I’m going from what I have read from itk on why certain deals are not happening. All the bed wetters are attacking Levy without any proof he is the blame. Before when we couldn’t offer decent wages, and had to try and get prices down the Levy was to blame, yet we have finished top 3 last 3 seasons, if you thought we would do that 5 years ago I’d be shocked.

To upgrade on the squad we have, you need to have the resources, and until now those resources have not been available, we did have a season where we had 8k a week less, that’s less food, drinks and merchandise.

I still don’t see anyone other than Liverpool that might of improved, but none of those players are a guarantee. Players take time to settle and are unproven in the PL. I haven’t seen 1 signing other than Mahrez at a push that I wished they had signed for us. Chelsea have the next best, but if the keeper, Hazard, Willian, and Morata leaves, how is that strengthening

There are no guarantees in football so there is no point looking for one. Your theory works both ways... just because we have the same squad that finished in the top 3 the last 3 seasons doesn’t guarantee us finishing in the top 3 this season!

I think you are underestimating the changes other teams have made, not just this window but over the last 3-4 windows.
I guess time will tell but there are many including myself that feel we are wasting/wasted opportunities to not only improve but even to keep up.

 

[Lighty64]

I think it's best we lock this thread until around November.

If by then we've brought in what we need, got rid of what we don't, are up and around the top of the table again, we can pat Levy on the back.

If we didn't do any sensible business in the window, are toiling in 13th and Poch has downed tools, we can pat Levy on the back (push him off a bridge)

by the beginning of November we would of played 3 games at the new ground, 2 of those 3 against a top 4 rival, and we would of played 1 other top 4 team. This season with the way everything has fallen if we are in the top 5 by start of November I will be very happy.

I really feel there is too much panicing going on, and with 10 days to go it's been 1 of the quietest transfer windows

 

[Lighty64]

I don't see why that means we shouldn't take the next step. Because we are doing better than we were a decade ago we should be happy at this current ceiling?

because to take that next step, you have to have spend 200-300m to try and catch Man C and Man U and totally blow them out the water with wages. I honestly don't think of 1 player we have been linked with so far that would walk in to our team

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

by the beginning of November we would of played 3 games at the new ground, 2 of those 3 against a top 4 rival, and we would of played 1 other top 4 team. This season with the way everything has fallen if we are in the top 5 by start of November I will be very happy.

I really feel there is too much panicing going on, and with 10 days to go it's been 1 of the quietest transfer windows

You gotta admit, it's kinda worrying when even Wet Spam go out and actually sign the players they wanted, rather than having the chairmans mug son taking to twitter to talk about it then fail.

If even those utter fucking cowboys can go and sign the players they want, early, then why are we still waiting for the scraps to gobble up off the bottom of the pond?
Because Levy.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

From Sky Sports (transfer centre)

LEVY CRITICISM 'GROSSLY UNFAIR'
Spurs executive director Donna-Maria Cullen insists criticism of Daniel Levy over the club’s transfer dealings is “grossly unfair”.
A large portion of the club’s fanbase believe the chairman is reluctant to commit large funds in the transfer window, with the club yet to sign any players with less than two weeks remaining until the deadline.
But Cullen told reporters in the US on their pre-season tour: “That is a misconception. Daniel works closely with the managers and always has done.
“He clearly identifies targets, works to get them, and we are no different to other clubs in not necessarily being able to acquire who might be top of your list for whatever reason. There are so many other moving parts in that whole scenario."

Who else spends weeks and weeks on a player(s) only for it to not work out?
Even when we agree a fee and get the player to come for a chat we have a 72 hour medical procedure that no one else seems to have
It's almost like our transfers are designed to go on forever.

 

[Jay78]

The Daily Mail report that Tottenham's £850m new stadium won't impinge on their ability to sign players.
Instead the move will boost finances and allow Spurs to finally compete with the top five – according to executive director Donna-Maria Cullen.

 

[Lighty64]

You gotta admit, it's kinda worrying when even Wet Spam go out and actually sign the players they wanted, rather than having the chairmans mug son taking to twitter to talk about it then fail.

If even those utter fucking cowboys can go and sign the players they want, early, then why are we still waiting for the scraps to gobble up off the bottom of the pond?
Because Levy.

and what 1 of those Spam players they have signed would get in our 1st XI? they have been at the OS for 2 seasons, paying just over £2m in rent, and have finally spent some money to keep them up. yep a manager that knows the prem, but fuck me the money and quality he had at City was harder not to win something.

If we hadn't even been linked with players this window I could understand the panic. the annoying thing is no one knows for certain that the failure to buy players is due to Levy, it might be clubs wanting players in return that either are not for sale, or don't want to go to the other club. it might be players thinking wow with that stadium they can afford 250k a week, when Levy ain't going to pay them that amount when Kane is on 200k. with the Zaha news, if he is off to Chelsea perhaps it's because Chelsea have RLC to give them, but we can only offer Onamah. if Zaha leaves Palace they need something big, because he kept them up last season