Match Threads West Ham Vs Spurs

[Rogmeister]

people her banging on about our point-haul.

we have been lucky in every game, bar southampton, to get the points we have.

we play like shit, we have zero creativity and Conte`s game management have been poor.

but none (least very few) are saying Conte out - but for god sake - dogshit doesn`t turn to confetti just because you wrap it up in confetti paper.

yesterday - if anyone is happy about that performance - just plain ridiculous.

hope we click into gear soon - because we all saw much better football at the end of last season.

I agree. This season is going to be a proper slog. Reminds me of watching England ?

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Eight points up on last season, but going to be pretty much impossible to hang onto that differential.
My guess is five points up after next two games, and unless we get another attacker in, about par by Xmas.

 

[spurs mental]

people her banging on about our point-haul.

we have been lucky in every game, bar southampton, to get the points we have.

we play like shit, we have zero creativity and Conte`s game management have been poor.

but none (least very few) are saying Conte out - but for god sake - dogshit doesn`t turn to confetti just because you wrap it up in confetti paper.

yesterday - if anyone is happy about that performance - just plain ridiculous.

hope we click into gear soon - because we all saw much better football at the end of last season.

Haven't seen anyone say they're happy with the performance but this toy throwing from the prams is laughable. We're 5(FIVE) fucking games into a season, even Liverpool, who are apparently miles ahead of us, are struggling to find form, it took them until the 98th minute to score their winner last night.

Guarantee the bed wetting wouldn't be happening if Arsenal hadn't won all 5 of their games.

It's fine to have expectations nit it doesn't happen over night that we become world beaters.

It took Conte 4 months until we clicked into some sort of gear last season. He's not even a full year into the job yet and it's bearing fruit because we're not losing games we would have last season.

Again, there's a clear plan, it will take time. But we'll be ok. And we will hit form. In fact I'm glad we're not playing our best, because now is the wrong time to be hitting form. We aren't anywhere near the business end of anything.

 

[jurgen11]

3 - 0 Saturday and the whole thing changes...

 

[barry]

Let's give it some time people, jaysus. All this crying is getting annoying. Put on your optimistic hats and hope for the best. We can do this.

 

[rossdapep]

It was actually quite a weird game.

WH completely backed off us and I was expected them to prevent us from getting anywhere close to the goal. However, we were able to get in between the defensive lines plenty. Just didn't create enough.

Despite it being their WC final, they didn't play with any intensity and the crowd went very quiet for long periods.

Us, on the other hand, looked very comfortable first half and it seemed we were wise to WH playing for the counter as we always had enough bodies back to cover if we lost the ball.

If we had have raised our game slightly we'd have scored again, although I believe the missing players were important here.

Second half WH raised their game. I wouldn't say they started to outplay us cause they didn't. We still had control of the game yet completely switched off to give them a goal.

After that we dominated possession. But because Hojbjerg was carrying a knock they were playing it through us easier.

The commentators were making it sound like WH were deserving a winner but I didn't agree. We only had ourselves to blame and WH were very poor first half.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

If it was their cup final, they played like we do in cup finals.

They were absolutely there for the taking, offered very little both going forward and in defence and let us have the ball all night. The problem was we really struggle to create unless it's with quick transitions.

Can't believe we didn't win. Watching the following passage (Dier to Sanchez to PEH to Davies to Bissouma to Rice to Bowen to Davies to Sanchez...) for most of the game was very frustrating and simply highlights what a lot of us knew but couldn't say, that Dier, Davies and Sanchez are not good enough on the ball along with PEH and Royal (Bissouma gets a pass because it was his first game).

That's half the team who aren't comfortable either with the ball at their feet, passing it through the lines, or in PEH's case simply not playing on the half turn. We are never going to be able to create chances in possession with those 5 on the pitch together, added to Son being left in Korea.

Really need to try to integrate Lenglet and hope Bentancur and Romero aren't out for long.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I’m confident we’ll start playing better soon. Unfortunately (fortunately?) this season is broken into two parts. It would be very frustrating to see us come into our stride just before that break.

Arsenal and City have come flying out the traps, so can we really afford to take our time easing into good form this season? If we keep picking up points then yes, but a couple of dodgy results and it all starts to look a bit depressing.

Our transfer window has been satisfactory, imo, and nothing more. There was a very high bar set (a huge cash injection, good early business being done, comments about a huge strategic summer window to keep Conte happy). The teams around us have spent just as much (if not more) money than us, and pretty much all of them have significantly strengthened their starting 11s. We have improved our squad depth (great - we desperately needed to) but we also needed a quality injection at CB (and that seemed to be our big priority at the start of the summer) and RWB. We haven’t done it. We can wait until January but if we couldn’t get the names we wanted now then why are we confident they’ll be available in four months, mid season?

Overall, I’m still positive. I think we’ll finish top four and I’m really hopeful of a good CL run.

 

[brendanb50]

If it was their cup final, they played like we do in cup finals.

They were absolutely there for the taking, offered very little both going forward and in defence and let us have the ball all night. The problem was we really struggle to create unless it's with quick transitions.

Can't believe we didn't win. Watching the following passage (Dier to Sanchez to PEH to Davies to Bissouma to Rice to Bowen to Davies to Sanchez...) for most of the game was very frustrating and simply highlights what a lot of us knew but couldn't say, that Dier, Davies and Sanchez are not good enough on the ball along with PEH and Royal (Bissouma gets a pass because it was his first game).

That's half the team who aren't comfortable either with the ball at their feet, passing it through the lines, or in PEH's case simply not playing on the half turn. We are never going to be able to create chances in possession with those 5 on the pitch together, added to Son being left in Korea.

Really need to try to integrate Lenglet and hope Bentancur and Romero aren't out for long.

Your take is a touch more critical than mine but I do agree with the overall assessment.

One of the core criticisms many have of Sanchez and players like Emerson is their ability on the ball to make positive, good decisions and play incisive passes. In games like last night when we do have that bit more possession, it's very clear that those players can't do much for us.

I'd personally argue that Dier's role isn't about bringing the ball out as much as it is Davies/Romero's, so his ball playing is generally a bit longer. I'd also say that in my view Davies generally does what's asked of him rather well - Perhaps lacking a bit of magic/glamour here and there.

Conte's system allows for outlets and gambles to be taken in the right areas, to make more of possession. The above issue with some key players not being great on the ball, Bissouma being a bit off the pace and a few of those outlets being a bit ineffective at the moment - I'd include Emerson here but also Son (completely off form at the mo) and Kulu (tired as the game wore on), meant we didn't really punish West Ham last night and in some phases of play, played ourselves into trouble.

Conte knows what he's doing but for me that bench needs to be fired up to play and impact - Richarlison has that and should have been brought in sooner in my view. Spence/Doherty could have stretched the oppo more and maybe Skipp/Lenglet could have freshened things up.

We still lack a creative option there in my view but i think that's an area we'll have to work around until January.

 

[noggen]

3 - 0 Saturday and the whole thing changes...

I don't think 3-0 is enough for some..

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Your take is a touch more critical than mine but I do agree with the overall assessment.

One of the core criticisms many have of Sanchez and players like Emerson is their ability on the ball to make positive, good decisions and play incisive passes. In games like last night when we do have that bit more possession, it's very clear that those players can't do much for us.

I'd personally argue that Dier's role isn't about bringing the ball out as much as it is Davies/Romero's, so his ball playing is generally a bit longer. I'd also say that in my view Davies generally does what's asked of him rather well - Perhaps lacking a bit of magic/glamour here and there.

Conte's system allows for outlets and gambles to be taken in the right areas, to make more of possession. The above issue with some key players not being great on the ball, Bissouma being a bit off the pace and a few of those outlets being a bit ineffective at the moment - I'd include Emerson here but also Son (completely off form at the mo) and Kulu (tired as the game wore on), meant we didn't really punish West Ham last night and in some phases of play, played ourselves into trouble.

Conte knows what he's doing but for me that bench needs to be fired up to play and impact - Richarlison has that and should have been brought in sooner in my view. Spence/Doherty could have stretched the oppo more and maybe Skipp/Lenglet could have freshened things up.

We still lack a creative option there in my view but i think that's an area we'll have to work around until January.

I agree with your point about Dier, the reason he is highlighted is because he's asked to do more on the ball when playing next to Sanchez. It would be nice if occasionally he drove forward 10-15 yards with the ball when the space is there to do so.

Again, Davies is fine and he's a great professional but really to get to that next level I think we need someone who can do more on the ball, again he is highlighted when the 5 of them all play together. His job is also the easiest because he plays next to Perisic who is always available as an option.

Perhaps I'm being overly critical but it's not knee jerk in any way, the players mentioned IMO aren't good on the ball if you only play with two in midfield because they're asked to do too much. PEH doesn't help by never receiving the ball on the half turn and passing forward quickly and that's why we missed Bentancur so much yesterday.

 

[tcyrus]

Spurs are playing like a Christian Gross team,
the football is awful ,
turning into long ball merchants, just boot it upfield or out of play,
that's how West Ham scored,

 

[Joshua shepherd]

3 - 0 Saturday and the whole thing changes...

Nothing changes does it, the problems are still the same. We will win most games this season and we're in for a good year but where we will be let down is obvious and that's why it's frustrating because it hasn't really been addressed.

 

[brendanb50]

I agree with your point about Dier, the reason he is highlighted is because he's asked to do more on the ball when playing next to Sanchez. It would be nice if occasionally he drove forward 10-15 yards with the ball when the space is there to do so.

Again, Davies is fine and he's a great professional but really to get to that next level I think we need someone who can do more on the ball, again he is highlighted when the 5 of them all play together. His job is also the easiest because he plays next to Perisic who is always available as an option.

Perhaps I'm being overly critical but it's not knee jerk in any way, the players mentioned IMO aren't good on the ball if you only play with two in midfield because they're asked to do too much. PEH doesn't help by never receiving the ball on the half turn and passing forward quickly and that's why we missed Bentancur so much yesterday.

Fair points on Dier needing to do more last night for sure and clear we wanted to add competition for Davies this window.

As you've said, Bentancur being out (and Romero) leave us lacking a bit of that x-factor in the side. Players that can not only do the basics very well but occasionally do something special from deeper areas of the pitch.

 

[spurs mental]

Spurs are playing like a Christian Gross team,
the football is awful ,
turning into long ball merchants, just boot it upfield or out of play,
that's how West Ham scored,

Alexa, show me the worst post on SC today.

 

[shelfboy68]

If it was their cup final, they played like we do in cup finals.

They were absolutely there for the taking, offered very little both going forward and in defence and let us have the ball all night. The problem was we really struggle to create unless it's with quick transitions.

Can't believe we didn't win. Watching the following passage (Dier to Sanchez to PEH to Davies to Bissouma to Rice to Bowen to Davies to Sanchez...) for most of the game was very frustrating and simply highlights what a lot of us knew but couldn't say, that Dier, Davies and Sanchez are not good enough on the ball along with PEH and Royal (Bissouma gets a pass because it was his first game).

That's half the team who aren't comfortable either with the ball at their feet, passing it through the lines, or in PEH's case simply not playing on the half turn. We are never going to be able to create chances in possession with those 5 on the pitch together, added to Son being left in Korea.

Really need to try to integrate Lenglet and hope Bentancur and Romero aren't out for long.

If they played like we do in cup finals then it would have worked to our advantage as they would have lost.

 

[tcyrus]

Alexa, show me the worst post on SC today.

worse team to watch in the EPL

 

[spurs mental]

worse team to watch in the EPL

We really aren't but you do you babe.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

If they played like we do in cup finals then it would have worked to our advantage as they would have lost.

Well the point is we didn't take advantage of their poor performance.

 

[Gb160]

Disgraceful is the only word I can come with to describe that performance.
First half too slow, everyone needs 2 or 3 touches on the ball before they can make their mind up where to which because they are too slow means backwards.
Bissouma gets a needless yellow for dissent which limits his effectiveness.
Sanchez charges 20 yards to lunge in and foul Fornals (Why?) leaves a hole behind him which leads to Antonio hitting the post. He gets a yellow which means WH target him whenever Lloris passes out to him and Lloris being a complete bellend keeps passing to him putting us under needless pressure.
WH weren’t at the races in the first half but we didn’t seem to have the required desire or intensity to punish them. We let them off the hook.
If I thought the 1st half was bad then the 2nd was a nightmare.
For me it all began with Hojbjerg messing around about his broken boot. If your boot’s broken run to the sidelines and change it. His antics got the crowd going and then the WH players whilst our lot lost their focus(what little they had of it).
Enter Lloris with his Nightmare at the Olympic Stadium performance. World Cup winning goalkeeper with nearly 15 years experience at the top level and he can’t kick for shit even when not under pressure. Out for a needless throw in and EVERYONE switches off!!!!! Perisic turns his back on the thrower whose allowed to throw it straight to Antonio, a flick and an unmarked Soucez beats Lloris at his near post.
Not content with that cock up Lloris tries to gift them another goal a little while later. If I’d of been Conte I would have hooked him then for Forster.
It all went downhill from there. Our defense was a shambles not helped by Lloris continually putting us under pressure by trying to play out from the back and putting Sanchez under pressure.
I am amazed Conte only made one substitution to try and get some control of the game. You could have hooked any of them in that second half.
I can’t remember the last time I’ve felt this angry ?watching us play.

Yeah but apart from that we were ok then?