What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 22/23

[topper]

Kumb

• Richarlinson off to Spurs, not going to lie but I think he’d be an excellent addition for them. Seems the perfect player for how Conte plays.
• Not sure he plays much to be honest, he won't get in ahead of Son, does he play over Kulusevski?
• A snidey, **** of a player, playing for a snidey, **** of a manager, playing for a snidey **** of a football club, in a team full of snidey c****, in a stadium packed with snidey c****. ?
• This won't be a popular suggestion but I wonder if Spurs would consider selling Højbjerg with Bissouma joining and Skipp being so highly rated by them.
• They can sell them if they like as long as they keep away from us...
• Big signing for Spurs. Odds on Frank being the first premier league manager sacked anyone!
• Richarlison, Son and Kane? That's arguably the best attack in the PL?!?
• No where near the top two honestly. I don't think Richarlison even starts
• Not to mention Kuvulevski or however you spell his name. I think richarlison may be 4th choice there!Kane & Son alone make them extremely close to the top 2 alone..
• I agree, spurs doing some good business TBF...They will do well this season..
• I don't think Richarlison starts over Kulusevski, and his attitude stinks. Happy to be benched behind Kane and Son? Doubt it. Kane and Son are very good, they're not as good as what Man City Liverpool have, and they only score so so many because the entire team is funneled towards them.
• Son imo is one of, if not the most, underrated players in the PL.
• There will be long periods of time when Richarlison looks like a comically poor buy for £70m ?and periods of time when it looks like an inspired one - that’s the streaky nature of Richarlison. Who must surely already be up there among the most costly accumulated transfer fees in prem history in his mid-twenties. But Spurs have needed and struggled to find back-up to Kane for as long as Kane has been their main man, and Richarlison is undoubtedly the best they’ve had there.
• I would be very surprised if they don't challenge at the very top of the PL this year. The manager knows how to win titles, and they got 8 points from 4 games against Liverpool and Man City last year so they need to address issues of consistency against others. The players they are signing - Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison - are all better than the ones they are getting shot of, but they are still looking to build what is very close to two teams.
• Kulusevski was outperforming his expected output stats significantly the last six months, as well as his historical output. You can’t rule out it was simply a breakthrough for him given his age but the fundamentals would suggest he regresses from that level a bit this season.
• I think with kane they will play him behind richardlson. As kane as lost his pace and seems to like to work from midfield and gets forward mainly at set pieces and corners and it will allow song to get more forward with richaldson imo. I'd love to know were the dough coming from as rumours were rife that the new stadium and covid was killing there finances.

To be fair that did make me chuckle!

 

[Cochise]

We are a counter-attacking team.

No reason to be ashamed of that. It’s an effective way to score, and we are very good at it.

We are good at counter attacking, but the definition is completely wrong. I take exception to having goals where we pass the ball from the defence to the forwards, through our opponents being called a counter attack as it's complete bullshit.

Fine, if we win the ball high up whilst our opponents are out of shape, it's a counter attack. If we tackle them, win the ball and punt it down the channels only to score within 5-10 seconds its a counter attack. If however we pass the ball around 20 odd times to beat someones press and find ourselves running with 3-4 against someones defence, that is not.

NB: And if you think I'm being sensitive on the subject, well I guess I am. Calling a team a counter attacking side is a slur, lets be honest. You are defining a team as being unable to create goal scoring opportunities on their own merit.

 

[DJS]

SA_Gunner really is a prime dickhead isn’t he lol.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

NB: And if you think I'm being sensitive on the subject, well I guess I am. Calling a team a counter attacking side is a slur, lets be honest. You are defining a team as being unable to create goal scoring opportunities on their own merit.

On the contrary - winning the ball, and quickly going the other direction in numbers, is creating scoring opportunities on merit.

Anytime you can move the ball in way that keeps an opposing team from setting up in an organized defense is creating scoring opportunities on merit.

The whole idea for any system is to move defenders out of position. Our priority is to counter attack, but we also utilize the wide players to create exploits when we a counter breaks down.

 

[eViL]

Arsemania is just a forum full of Ty's relatives.

 

[Guernman]

I find it somewhat strange that Arsenal fans argue Richarlison can't be that good a signing if he isn't going to start ahead of Kane and Son.

When you already have the best attacking partnership in Premier League history you are probably looking for squad depth not upgrades

 

[spurslenny]

I have a few observations:

- If they think Richarlison is a fair-weather player then good luck with Gabriel Jesus, the striker that prefers to play wide because of the pressure.

- Imagine saying Bissouma is over-rated when he bossed Arsenal's (and our) midfield on multiple occasions. If anyone is over-rated it's Partey and Xhaka.

- How can their defenders be better than ours despite us conceding 8 fewer goals than them all season (which included us sacking a manager mid season)? Even more so when we apparently have a 'meh' midfielders and defenders compared to them.

- Conte-ball is less well equipped to win league titles than legoball according to SA Gunner despite us winning more games by 2+ goals in the second half of the season and having a better record against the top 3 sides.

- I won't even bother with the debt thing again because clearly none of them are old enough to have a mortgage.

- The Spurs team from the end of the season was far superior to theirs. The only reason they hung in there was a nice run of games against Chelsea,, Utd and West Ham where everything went in their favour. Around those they got slapped by us, Newcastle, Brighton and Palace and lost 1-0 at Southampton. It took Conte until March to really mould the team into his image so that 2 point gap is a fallacy.

I get wanting to be optimistic and hoping you can overtake your rivals but I've never been more confident of us being better than them in the present and near future. If Conte even stays here for just 2 more years aligned with our new financial power (and Ambramovich leaving Chelsea) I think we'll be seen as the top team in London at that time.

'Lego ball'

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

It's always amazing how they twist facts, or blatantly make stuff up to suit their argument.

Also people are going to have to get used to their not being a "first eleven" in top level football. Players will be interchangeable and with five subs there will be an element of putting on the "finishers" in the second half as in rugby.

 

[double0]

I'm surprised how United are being included in the mix for 3-6th place. All they've done so far is changed manager and lost Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Cavan Martial and Mata.

All miserable club sucking leechs getting rid of those players has automatically lifted United.

 

[rossdapep]

It's always amazing how they twist facts, or blatantly make stuff up to suit their argument.

Also people are going to have to get used to their not being a "first eleven" in top level football. Players will be interchangeable and with five subs there will be an element of putting on the "finishers" in the second half as in rugby.

Good point.

Something that Arteta won't realise cause he's such a novice.

In fact, I can see more teams catching them out as they make more changes and with Arteta being so rigid and dreadful at in game management too.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

It's strange I understood top football is a squad game decades ago.
Amazed that many relative youngsters can't still grasp it.
We need a minimum of four attackers, covering three places
Last season I think city and Liverpool had five apiece at least

 

[Danny1]

It's strange I understood top football is a squad game decades ago.
Amazed that many relative youngsters can't still grasp it.
We need a minimum of four attackers, covering three places
Last season I think city and Liverpool had five apiece at least

It’s the whole Football Manager era. There is the top quality 11 and then a bunch of average players.

All you have to do is look at Liverpool and City who rotate quite regularly, especially City. Playing in 4 competitions and trying to maintain a high level of performance requires lots of quality players. Even more so with a mid season World Cup!

 

[Cochise]

On the contrary - winning the ball, and quickly going the other direction in numbers, is creating scoring opportunities on merit.

Anytime you can move the ball in way that keeps an opposing team from setting up in an organized defense is creating scoring opportunities on merit.

The whole idea for any system is to move defenders out of position. Our priority is to counter attack, but we also utilize the wide players to create exploits when we a counter breaks down.

You know what I am getting at here. A team that has no idea what to do when in possession and can only exist as a threat without it are a counter attacking side. I agree that it is a facet that every good team has, but that ability is not what defines them.

My argument comes down to how people define a counter attack. As I said in my previous post; calling 20 pass moves that start from our goalkeeper counter attacking is wrong. We have moved our opponent out of shape, perhaps even into the shape we want them to be in and moved the ball quickly through the spaces created. It is no different to anyone else except we play the buildup in our own half.

 

[Worthy]

That's brilliant stuff. Thanks for the work @goughie1966. Much appreciated!!

 

[Japhet]

Can't fucking wait for both NLDs now after reading some of that drivel. I reckon we'll have everything we need to give them a proper battering this season that makes our home game against them last time out look like a playground scuffle.

 

[Timberwolf]

You know what I am getting at here. A team that has no idea what to do when in possession and can only exist as a threat without it are a counter attacking side. I agree that it is a facet that every good team has, but that ability is not what defines them.

My argument comes down to how people define a counter attack. As I said in my previous post; calling 20 pass moves that start from our goalkeeper counter attacking is wrong. We have moved our opponent out of shape, perhaps even into the shape we want them to be in and moved the ball quickly through the spaces created. It is no different to anyone else except we play the buildup in our own half.

Yeah this is the point I was initially making.

We are also a good counter attacking team, but loads of our best goals aren't counter attacks at all but still get described as such because Conte has quite an unusual, specific system.

It's just a bit annoying when people act like our style of play now is the same as a relegation side when there's a lot more to it than that.

 

[Timberwolf]

On the contrary - winning the ball, and quickly going the other direction in numbers, is creating scoring opportunities on merit.

But that's thing, a lot of our goals that opposition fans are describing as counter attacks are markedly not like this.

We aren't winning the ball at all. We're passing it out from the keeper and passing it around the back in deep areas, then striking quickly and vertically in a way that looks like counter attacking because of the space we've created by drawing the opponents in.

Anyway, back to opposition fan nonsense!

 

[goughie1966]

Just when you think they’ve reached the height of stupidity on Arsemania the bar gets raised even higher.

A Tweet is posted on Arsemania that Spurs will only be paying a fraction of the wages for Lenglet with Barcelona paying the rest……..

“Not enough money to cover all of Lenglet's wages seemingly. Might mean they are done for this window?”

 

[Serpico]

Arsenal supporters can create whatever narrative they wish to spin to make them feel better.

Whenever I feel like crap-I watch the NLD and then the the New Utd game, better than any happy pill.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Arsenal should focus on trying to stay ahead of West Ham who at least show a bit of fight and they arguably have a better manager too.

The top four race for Arsenal could soon just be about them trying to be the fourth best team in London while finishing 8th and trying to stave off Crystal Palace.

The fact that they’re even talking about us is laughable. They should still be in hiding after the whipping we gave them.