goughie1966
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True, we don't dive, scream and roll around either. Had Sturridge done that when he was blocked by matey's elbow maybe the ref would have sent him off. Too honest for our own good.
World Cup Match Thread Day 8 - Thursday
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True, we don't dive, scream and roll around either. Had Sturridge done that when he was blocked by matey's elbow maybe the ref would have sent him off. Too honest for our own good.
goughie1966
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Can't listen to that crap with adverts every 5 minutes. And I certainly don't to listen to a **** who beats women....
Mr Pink
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When for a load of goals lol...watch a 0-0 now.
Just after England costing me dear lol
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felmani26
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Yes, Rooney had guilt edge chances that at this level you have to take and obviously goals change games as the Spanish can testify.
England just never seem prepared going into tournaments and are so tactically off it's farcical. The manager invariably bears the brunt of criticism but the players continually display poor tactical awareness and application - something that has been inherent for decades so there needs to be accountability from them.
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At the end of the day if Rooney takes both gilt edged chances against Italy and Uruguay we're probably sitting on two points now and second in the group with Coasta Rica to come.
Its fine lines at this level. Suarez had two chances and scored twice - Balotelli - one chance, took it.
Rooney was never going to miss the goal he scored tonight, it was a tap in. But the other two chances he had were huge chances and he didn't take either.
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Watching England is a lot like watching Spurs under Redknapp. There's some decent individuals in there, against shit teams they can look good, but there is no endemic pattern/system/methodology to their play, so when they come up against decent teams, even when they are trying hard, there is very little cohesion to what they do, it just becomes about hoping individuals pull out moments of inspiration.
England have played worse than tonight and won, they have the makings of a a decent collective, but they just need to be coached to do basic things better, like moving cohesively on and off the ball, pressing in higher areas as a coherent unit, putting a team together that compliments each other's skills, instead of accommodating the big names.
The decision to take Henderson off instead of Gerrard typifies this mentality. Henderson who'd had an excellent game, doing simple things very well, passing the ball more than anyone in an England shirt (61 - 89% accuracy) and using the ball well a times, getting attacks going, also only one tackle behind Gerrard and the same interceptions, is hooked, while Gerrard who repeatedly wasted possession trying 40 yard hail mary passes only actually made 40 passes, completing a woeful 78% of those.
The mentality is "he's Gerrard, he might just do something brilliant because he did 5 years ago, and he looks great even when failing" instead of keeping Henderson on who was contributing much more in real terms, quietly going about his job effectively.
And this thinking has blighted English international football for decades.
It's got fuck all to do with quotas of English players (@Mustard ), or any other of those lame bollocks excuses, it's got to do with the quality, intelligence and coaching of those players.
Man for man, individually, I don't think Uruguay were any more talented collectively than England, the problem is continually England's inability to get the best from their resources (players), so what the fuck have quotas got to do with anything ? The English game and English players would be even further behind now if it wasn't for the influence of foreign players and coaches on their game.
Italy & Spain have had less stringent football quota rules and have done shitloads better than England.
England have played worse than tonight and won, they have the makings of a a decent collective, but they just need to be coached to do basic things better, like moving cohesively on and off the ball, pressing in higher areas as a coherent unit, putting a team together that compliments each other's skills, instead of accommodating the big names.
The decision to take Henderson off instead of Gerrard typifies this mentality. Henderson who'd had an excellent game, doing simple things very well, passing the ball more than anyone in an England shirt (61 - 89% accuracy) and using the ball well a times, getting attacks going, also only one tackle behind Gerrard and the same interceptions, is hooked, while Gerrard who repeatedly wasted possession trying 40 yard hail mary passes only actually made 40 passes, completing a woeful 78% of those.
The mentality is "he's Gerrard, he might just do something brilliant because he did 5 years ago, and he looks great even when failing" instead of keeping Henderson on who was contributing much more in real terms, quietly going about his job effectively.
And this thinking has blighted English international football for decades.
It's got fuck all to do with quotas of English players (@Mustard ), or any other of those lame bollocks excuses, it's got to do with the quality, intelligence and coaching of those players.
Man for man, individually, I don't think Uruguay were any more talented collectively than England, the problem is continually England's inability to get the best from their resources (players), so what the fuck have quotas got to do with anything ? The English game and English players would be even further behind now if it wasn't for the influence of foreign players and coaches on their game.
Italy & Spain have had less stringent football quota rules and have done shitloads better than England.
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The English mentality will always champion a 'Roy of the Rovers' Gerrard over a metronome Scholes.
It'll also, never change anytime soon.
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I agree. But the manager has to ultimately take responsibility for enforcing that through the collective.
Its always been the same problem - the pressure from the British media and the fear of failure - that's what hamstrings us to.
mpickard2087
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Yep I said after the last game that it looked like Redknapp football at the very worst. Random chaos hoping that individuals pull something out of the bag. Problem being that a) they didn't choose Redknapp to manage the team to play this way and b) Hodgson has decided just before the tournament to 'have a go', and just put a team out there with no working structure behind it.
I agree about Henderson, he was one of the very few who did ok. Woy's subs are predictable though; take off two of the 4-2-3-1 that aren't named Rooney and then for the last sub take off the centre mid that isn't Gerrard.
Well Greece is perfectly happy to defend and look to hit on the counter. Look at the possesion. 76% to 24%.
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Totally agree on Henderson - he was good tonight. The correct move would of been to take off Gerrard - it was blindingly obvious.
Until we stop obsessing over individuals we never become a real collective force.
I honestly thought Gerrard was very poor.
Until we stop obsessing over individuals we never become a real collective force.
I honestly thought Gerrard was very poor.
