World Cup Match Thread Day 8 - Thursday

[Mr Pink]

Greece remind me of England.

But Greece can defend lol

 

[Bus-Conductor]

As an aside, anyone see the article on newsnow about how Sherwood turned down the chance to sign Sterling for Spurs as a kid ?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/0...-deal-for-liverpool-wonderkid-raheem-sterling

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Totally agree on Henderson - he was good tonight. The correct move would of been to take off Gerrard - it was blindingly obvious.

Until we stop obsessing over individuals we never become a real collective force.

I honestly thought Gerrard was very poor.

For some reason I thought you were Irish ?

 

[DuDe]

And a red. Well, well.

 

[mpickard2087]

Totally agree on Henderson - he was good tonight. The correct move would of been to take off Gerrard - it was blindingly obvious.

Until we stop obsessing over individuals we never become a real collective force.

I honestly thought Gerrard was very poor.

We said that last time though... 'Well at 2014 Gerrard is 34 and Lampard even older, it will be time for the new guard' and yet we still have the team built round one of them. They'll probably still be there next tournament!

 

[yankspurs]

Wow. Awful decision by the ref. Terrible

 

[tototoner]

Stan Collymore is making brilliant points here (he's still a ****)

Has he lamped Mark Saggers yet?

 

[Mr Pink]

For some reason I thought you were Irish ?

I'm Northern Irish - but I was born in London and didn't move over to Northern Ireland until I was 8!!

Have always supported England.

 

[Mr Pink]

We said that last time though... 'Well at 2014 Gerrard is 34 and Lampard even older, it will be time for the new guard' and yet we still have the team built round one of them. They'll probably still be there next tournament!

I know, its incredibly frustrating.

They have to get the old guard out now - including Roy.

Get a bright young manager in who's going to get all the time he needs to build an England team with a playing identity and rid this bollox of just picking the perceived best or in form players - as if that;s enough.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm Northern Irish - but I was born in London and didn't move over to Northern Ireland until I was 8!!

Have always supported England.

Wow, you had a choice and you chose England. Tough break.

 

[smalltownhero]

Foreign coaches go to several clubs in several countries to learn (not always as an employee, sometimes just visit with permission) but the only British coach I have heard doing this is Rodgers.

Yeah but what players do this? They study their game in England and think it's the best league in the world... Get paid shed loads and what. World class players can play in any league. In that respect Roy has a lot more experience.

 

[Mr Pink]

Wow, you had a choice and you chose England. Tough break.

I'll always get behind England but to be honest it doesn't come close to my support for Spurs. In fact, there's no comparison.

I'm a lot more pissed with a bad performance/result with Tottenham than I'am over that tonight.

My parents are Northern Irish - and both were teachers in Tottenham at the time.

 

[Mustard]

It's got fuck all to do with quotas of English players (@Mustard ), or any other of those lame bollocks excuses, it's got to do with the quality, intelligence and coaching of those players.

Man for man, individually, I don't think Uruguay were any more talented collectively than England, the problem is continually England's inability to get the best from their resources (players), so what the fuck have quotas got to do with anything ? The English game and English players would be even further behind now if it wasn't for the influence of foreign players and coaches on their game.


Italy & Spain have had less stringent football quota rules and have done shitloads better than England.

Absolute nonsense on so many levels.

The Spain thing doesn't add up because their 3 top teams are bursting with Spanish players and the foreign ones are literally the best in the world in their positions. The Italian league has even fewer foreigners playing. Only Inter play with more than 3 in their team on average. Don't get me started on the German league.

It's such a simple argument. If you have a bigger pool of players to pick from then you will get better options to play. It's not rocket science. Also the coaching in this country has easily been the equal of the other countries for a good decade now so it's clearly not that either. It's down to pure numbers.

Here may be some amazing gems to pick from but we may never know because they will never get a chance of an extended run in the top league of their country.

Of course I will never be proven right as turkey's don't vote for Xmas in the same way chairmen don't want to lose the massive income generated from overseas sales. And of course they want to see their players on telly too.

The argument as to why a nation with such a small population can beat us is because all their elite players play in a top league. Even if it is in Uruguay. I bet the amount of elite players actually playing in top leagues is not far off if not higher than what Woy has to choose from.

Yet every couple if years people like yourself seem genuinely shocked when we can't cobble together a decent team to play high level international football.

The years when we didn't qualify that were mentioned were simply because the tournaments were different and only had 8 to 16 teams in it. Not like the 32 nowadays. And qualifying wasn't beating San Marino and Montenegro a couple of times ( even though we failed to that...).It's all pretty simple and explanatory. I'm not making this up.

Last point. Uraguayans are football mad. That is their only sport. We have international class teams in cricket, rugby, cycling, athletics, gymnastics' rowing, boxing...I could literally go on and on but I think you get the idea.

 

[beats1]

Yep I said after the last game that it looked like Redknapp football at the very worst. Random chaos hoping that individuals pull something out of the bag. Problem being that a) they didn't choose Redknapp to manage the team to play this way and b) Hodgson has decided just before the tournament to 'have a go', and just put a team out there with no working structure behind it.

I agree about Henderson, he was one of the very few who did ok. Woy's subs are predictable though; take off two of the 4-2-3-1 that aren't named Rooney and then for the last sub take off the centre mid that isn't Gerrard.

the thing is Henderson will be getting more flac because he doesnt have hype, becoming about a modern day england great is about having the hype!

 

[cookiemonster]

rooney missed from 8 yds just the keeper to beat, just not good enough. defence beaten hands down twice for two goals, just not good enough. englands world cup performance: just not good enough.

And a owl face,who failed in arguably his only big job in football,as manager -not good enough

 

[beats1]

We said that last time though... 'Well at 2014 Gerrard is 34 and Lampard even older, it will be time for the new guard' and yet we still have the team built round one of them. They'll probably still be there next tournament!

This is sad because its true. Everyone said the old guard wouldnt be there after the world cup yet
2012: Terry, Cole, Lampard, and co were there
2014: Lampard, Gerrard, Johnson and Rooney are there(rooney should be there but not undroppable)

 

[jurgen]

Greece remind me of England.

Except Greece won something recently and demonstrably have balls despite being a bit rubbish.

We look even worse without that c*** Terry because he was always the type of wanker to pop up with a scabby goal from a set piece to give us some hope.. but 'Jags' and Cahill would never do that in a billion years..I only say that as its a given our attackers will do sod all..

 

[Mr Pink]

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9355137/F365-Says

 

[THFCSPURS19]

This is sad because its true. Everyone said the old guard wouldnt be there after the world cup yet
2012: Terry, Cole, Lampard, and co were there
2014: Lampard, Gerrard, Johnson and Rooney are there(rooney should be there but not undroppable)

Why do people consider Rooney to be part of the "old guard"- he's 28 FFS.

He'll be at the next World cup and potentially, at Euro 2020. In fact, he could go all out crazy and do a Lampard and turn up at the 2022 World Cup at the age of 36

 

[Vulcan10]

Defensively we needed more of the old guard actually, we would have been much better defensively IMO with terry & cole in there (like them or not they are still the best we have). Jagielka is a good premiership defender at club level but like dawson & other English type centre backs he can't cope with the top top players.

Might as well unleash Barkley & Lallana now & try something different. I really thought barkley could have been a star this tournament & provided the excitement/big moments but he's not been given enough time on the pitch.