WTF Happened To Robbo

[Bill_Oddie]

Yeah, nice one SS57. I'd also add that the 'clanger' against Germany was gibberish and, again, he was magnificently placed. There was no way he could have anticipated the miskick and he did well to claw it out. Hardly his fault that the German striker was facing the right way, hence had an easy tap in. Although, reading the tabs, you'd think Robbo calmly placed the ball in front of the line then held back the defenders so the German could score. :roll:


However, it is (understandable) extreme generosity to lay the blame for the above average number of goals from distance at the feet of our defence and midfield. Sure, they have contributed, but surely they also need to be organised by someone? If they thought everytime they failed to get to a shot that they were going to get a verbal barrage from the keeper (thinking Schmeichel and other top keepers) then they would be much more effective.

Yes, they could be better but they could also be 'directed' better. It's this for me that really needs tightening up. We need leaders across the park. Just because we haven't had one in Centre-mid, doesn't mean we can excuse the absence of one between the sticks (very good shot-stopper, technically fine keeper and adorable cuddle-bunny though Robbo is).

 

[SpurSince57]

If you're talking about direction of players within the area then you'd have a case, but 25-35 yards out?

But here's the bloke many reckon is set to become our new keeper showing how to deal with long-range shots:

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[Shanks]

I really don't knwo what else to say about Robbo and his positional sense.

Admittedly, he could be better with crosses, but when confidence is low, its difficult to get out and claim a ball with confidence. Also if your worried about your defense dealing with a ball, then your better on your line to protect the goal.

He has been in a lose/lose situation for the majority of the season. He got the blame for the carling cup final free kick, yet everyone seems to ignore that Peter Cech made the biggest blunder in that game, also, made a huge mistake that got their team knocked out of the Euro Champs too.... do you reckon Chelsea want him replaced... no chance.

Its of no coincidence that Chelsea and Man Utd keepers have a better record, purely because they have a better team at defending as a whole.

His positional [play for free kicks was fine, drogba hit the ball good and scored a great free kick. The week after Robbo compensated for that, by positioning himself differently, yet the person scored in the other side of the goal, over the wall. Yet Robbo got the blame for it, even though he done, what the so called experts said he should have done earlier.

If he goes, then good luck to him, but I won't be upset to see him in goal nxt season.

 

[gibbs131]

14, actually, and of those only 4-5 could you say he ought to have done better. If you'd watched Chelsea v. Liverpool last season you'd have seen Cech left for dead twice, once by Pennant, the other by Riise, which hit the bar—the latter being more or less a carbon copy of the one he scored against us, when Dawson stood off and admired his technique instead of doing his job. VdS was beaten twice by long shots against Everton. The reason it happens less often to them is that they have defenders and midfielders who will protect them. Everton conceded 10 from long range, the same proportion of their GA tally; I don't see many people saying Howard is rubbish.

We saw the same at the Bridge last season, when our defence and midfield stood off Belletti waiting for someone else to do something until Lee finally decided he ought to, too late. And some numpties on here blamed Cerny for that.

We had a lot of 'experts' on here blaming Robbo's positioning for Shorey's goal. When I posted Bob Wilson's analysis showing his positioning was spot on, it was 'I don't care, I know better.' Yeah, sure you do. We have two members—Shanks and JerseySpur—who've kept goal to a pretty high level, and I've seen them attacked when they've attempted to explain technicalities.

When did Robbo carry the ball over the line? Unless you happened to be sitting low down in the East or West Stand, directly on the goal line (and preferably without the goalpost in the way) there is no way you could be sure. Why are Spurs 'supporters' backing a linesman's highly iffy decision instead of our keeper?

This is hilarious. Cech IMO is the best goalkeeper on the PLANET. I have never seen a better, more consistent keeper since Neville Southhall in his prime.

I have no idea why you are claiming defense from midfield makes Robbo look bad?

Robbo makes Robbo look bad. Fundamentals are lacking in his game and long shots are the tip of an iceberg made up of confidence, decision making, fitness and dedication.

Robbo had the POTENTIAL once upon a time to PERHAPS reach the level of VdS or Cech. He never reached it.

Mentioning goals conceded by VdS and Cech to prove your point is laughable.

If we had better defensive midfielders we would concede less???? Well DUR!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

This is hilarious. Cech IMO is the best goalkeeper on the PLANET. I have never seen a better, more consistent keeper since Neville Southhall in his prime.

I have no idea why you are claiming defense from midfield makes Robbo look bad?

Robbo makes Robbo look bad. Fundamentals are lacking in his game and long shots are the tip of an iceberg made up of confidence, decision making, fitness and dedication.

Robbo had the POTENTIAL once upon a time to PERHAPS reach the level of VdS or Cech. He never reached it.

Mentioning goals conceded by VdS and Cech to prove your point is laughable.

If we had better defensive midfielders we would concede less???? Well DUR!

That post makes no sense, other than you saying how much you love Cech and that, basically, he can do no wrong? :shrug: I've seen Cech make some a-grade cock ups, as with VDS too - it's just a fact of life, it just happens, as does rain, taxes and Spurs fans turning on our out of form keeper as a scape goat for our diabolical defending.

Ok, lets go for another track then - it is generally accepted that, as a midfielder, it is as much your job to fight for control of that part of the field as it is the defenders to defend, right? Well, aside from Teemu, who in our side has shored up the midfield and you see controlling play, making tackle after tackle, shouting orders, breaking up the oppo passing and closing down space when required?








anyone yet?








Nope? Didn't think so. So, now we've established that the midfield do f*ck all to stop the long range shooters having the space to have a crack, lets look to the defenders.

Leaving Woodgate aside, as many of his games were played with Cerny behind him and he hasn't been with us long enough to be a fair comparison, what's our back four been most of this season? Chimbonda, Dawson, Kaboul, Lee? Hutton, Zokora, Kaboul, Chimbonda? Or was it Hutton, King, Dawson, Giblets? Could've been any of them really, and we can chuck in Bale, Huddlestone, Gunther, Woodie and Teemu as also playing along that back line this year - what incredible teamwork they've managed, with such consistency - must be good to not know what your defenders first languages are going to be before the kick off.

So, now i've covered my side of things from the pitch problems that Robbo has to face does it cover your statement:

I have no idea why you are claiming defense from midfield makes Robbo look bad?

sorry, question? i dunno now...

Whatever way you look at it, Robbo is being used as a kicking post for frustrated fans with short sight. He far from our worst player, he just happens to be the one in the spotlight more often than others.

i say again:

I still got ROBBO 1 on my England shirt and i'm keeping it so, when he reclaims that spot, i can be retro and right :up:

 

[gibbs131]

That post makes no sense, other than you saying how much you love Cech and that, basically, he can do no wrong? :shrug:

Absolutely. He is one of my fav non Spurs players. Why the :shrug:

The fact that he plays for Chavski galls me, but does not sway me into thinking he is anything other than the best goalkeeper of his generation.

 

[gibbs131]

That post makes no sense, other than you saying how much you love Cech and that, basically, he can do no wrong? :shrug: I've seen Cech make some a-grade cock ups, as with VDS too - it's just a fact of life, it just happens, as does rain, taxes and Spurs fans turning on our out of form keeper as a scape goat for our diabolical defending.

Ok, lets go for another track then - it is generally accepted that, as a midfielder, it is as much your job to fight for control of that part of the field as it is the defenders to defend, right? Well, aside from Teemu, who in our side has shored up the midfield and you see controlling play, making tackle after tackle, shouting orders, breaking up the oppo passing and closing down space when required?








anyone yet?








Nope? Didn't think so. So, now we've established that the midfield do f*ck all to stop the long range shooters having the space to have a crack, lets look to the defenders.

Leaving Woodgate aside, as many of his games were played with Cerny behind him and he hasn't been with us long enough to be a fair comparison, what's our back four been most of this season? Chimbonda, Dawson, Kaboul, Lee? Hutton, Zokora, Kaboul, Chimbonda? Or was it Hutton, King, Dawson, Giblets? Could've been any of them really, and we can chuck in Bale, Huddlestone, Gunther, Woodie and Teemu as also playing along that back line this year - what incredible teamwork they've managed, with such consistency - must be good to not know what your defenders first languages are going to be before the kick off.

So, now i've covered my side of things from the pitch problems that Robbo has to face does it cover your statement:



sorry, question? i dunno now...

Whatever way you look at it, Robbo is being used as a kicking post for frustrated fans with short sight. He far from our worst player, he just happens to be the one in the spotlight more often than others.

i say again:

I still got ROBBO 1 on my England shirt and i'm keeping it so, when he reclaims that spot, i can be retro and right :up:

The fact that he can't get the England number 1 spot in the worst EVER goalkeeping drought England has ever seen speaks volumes.

The moment he signed that crazy long contract was the moment he got into the comfort zone.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

guess the answer was "no" then...

 

[gibbs131]

guess the answer was "no" then...

Just talking to you kinda hurts my brain.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Just talking to you kinda hurts my brain.

Excellent...


for note - i tried repping Gibbs here to see if i could redeem his soul once more and return him to the land of the green beans, but you've obviously sinned too much...


sinner :|

 

[gibbs131]

Excellent...


for note - i tried repping Gibbs here to see if i could redeem his soul once more and return him to the land of the green beans, but you've obviously sinned too much...


sinner :|

The color of pixels on a graphic on a forum is not going to make Robbo a world class keeper.

 

[Jody]

The color of pixels on a graphic on a forum is not going to make Robbo a world class keeper.

Well, I just greened you! Maybe you could forgive and forget

 

[Rocksuperstar]

The color of pixels on a graphic on a forum is not going to make Robbo a world class keeper.

Never said it would, but a midfield that bothers tackling, a decent, consistent back line and a keeper coach might :|

Sadly, despite being more than prepared to give the rest of our under-achieving squad plenty of chances, no-ones prepared to give Robbo an inch - you're part of that crowd it seems.

 

[SpurSince57]

Thanks for quoting Gibberishy's reply, RSS. I have my Insanity Filter on, so couldn't read it.

But how typical that he should completely misunderstand the point I was making—that one can, like Cech, be one of the best keepers in the world, but if your defence or midfield allows an opposition player to fire in a rocket from distance, heavy odds are that it'll beat you. You only have to watch MOTD to see such shots hitting the back of the net week in, week out, no matter who's in goal. Robbo doesn't have a particular vulnerability to such shots; outfielders' failure to stop them at source—in 2006-2007 at least, we cut down a bit last season—mean he's subjected to far more. We conceded maybe half-a-dozen in 2005-2006, probably around the same as most teams and everyone was happy to call them 'wonder goals'. Why? Because our back four remained virtually unchanged over the season, and we had Carrick and Davids in midfield.

 

[Supersonic]

People also seem to be forgetting that in the past 2 years i think it is the premier league has used those ridiculous new balls.

I play in goal and I am very certain that whenever someone hits one of those things properly, i am never sure where it is going because it can swerve literally several feet in any direction, and often dips in front of your hands. They are true bitches for goalkeepers. Catching is out of the question.

And this is playing against other 17 and 18 year olds, not premier league footballers

 

[spurslenny]

The fact that he can't get the England number 1 spot in the worst EVER goalkeeping drought England has ever seen speaks volumes.







basically all that confirms is he's not playing very well at the moment, nothing else.

 

[gibbs131]

Well, I just greened you! Maybe you could forgive and forget

GREAT SUCCESS!

 

[gibbs131]

The fact that he can't get the England number 1 spot in the worst EVER goalkeeping drought England has ever seen speaks volumes.







basically all that confirms is he's not playing very well at the moment, nothing else.

I don't remember a moment lasting for 2 seasons.

 

[NickHSpurs]

Pleased to see some support on here for Robbo, he deserves more of it.

Yes he had made some mistakes, but what keeper hasn't. Get him a decent coach, a few decent games under his belt and we'll have our Robbo back.

Save ourselves £10m and stick with him until Jan. I personally believe he will come good again and hope the fact he hasn't been sold yet is a good sign.

He's also very passionate about this club, we need more players like him about the place, people should get off his back and support him. All you people slating him forget the times we has been class for us, I bet you were all singing "Englands number one" then and will again if he proves you wrong!

 

[laneoflegends]

'I play in goal and I am very certain that whenever someone hits one of those things properly, i am never sure where it is going because it can swerve literally several feet in any direction, and often dips in front of your hands. They are true bitches for goalkeepers. Catching is out of the question.

And this is playing against other 17 and 18 year olds, not premier league footballers[/quote]' - Supersonic

My son has been playing in an academy and is also a keeper. A lot of the coaching that he gets is punching for the very reasons that you have described above.
Did anyone hear Petr Cech's comments about the new balls. He reckons that they are a nightmare with regards to movement and he is one of the best in the world.