ENIC - The Poll

[Steffen]

Would you change to ENIc out if no Arab money or are you happy with the job they’re doing on the pitch?

Still pretty uncertain for me. What are the alternatives? We could get someone like the Glazers, who'd bleed the club dry. At least ENIC isn't taking money out of the club.

 

[yido_number1]

Still pretty uncertain for me. What are the alternatives? We could get someone like the Glazers, who'd bleed the club dry. At least ENIC isn't taking money out of the club.

The mortgage on the stadium is pretty much that.

 

[TonyK]

No need to insult other members. Come on.

It was tongue in cheek lads. Calm the fuck down.

Steffen is very welcome to his own opinion - even if it is completely ridiculous.

Hope you didn’t take any offence Steffen - I was only messing!

But I’d be happy for ENIC to sell the club to the devil just to get rid of them! That’s where I’m at.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I would have voted IN until very recently. I’ll say the following things..

1. Not sure why the entirety of this is all falling on Levy ? Joe Lewis is the one with £5bn worth of personal fortune and he hasn’t put a penny in to help us on the pitch as far as I can see. I can’t see how it makes any sense to want to retain any aspect of ENIC but get rid of Levy

2. Aside from if you think ENIC have done good or not it’s become clear they can’t or won’t put in the on the pitch finances to compete with the likes of City and these other new owners at various clubs. You could even think they are overall great but still want them gone under the basis of this poll.

3. The poll doesn’t necessitate us being taken over by sports washers if you vote ENIC out. How about a Todd Boehly type that spends as much money as he does in a more organised and logical fashion as an example ?

 

[spoon]

Danny boy just sent me a code for 20% off merch, can I change my vote?

 

[delpiero]

Out. Between the two options. As with others I would prefer to see ENIC stay in for the time being with a majority but with a complete gutting at board level.

 

[newbie]

Voted out but as you say @Archibald&Crooks , I'd probably be happy for them to stay if we could get Levy away from the footballing side of things.
These past couple of years have really changed my mind on him and although a lot of the information is based on rumour, I feel we'd be better off without him at the helm.
We need a proper vision of what we want to be as a club and a chairman with the balls to see it through.

How do we know it’s Lewis not levy that’s the issue ?

Voted out!

 

[McFlash]

How do we know it’s Lewis not levy that’s the issue ?

Voted out!

Purely because uncle Joe doesn't really give a toss about us, and we've seen a history of Levy's transfers and managerial appointments.
I was fully BSoDL until pretty recently but I'm tired of him now, sure that we'll never properly compete with him at the helm.

The stadium was supposed to be the game changer but as far as I can see, nothing has changed and we're still scrimping and saving, looking for bargains instead of getting what we need.

 

[citizenG100]

If you run a poll on a site that is almost certainly mainly frequented by younger people , who enjoy voicing their opinions (a lot) then the results will always be pretty lopsided !

I doubt it. I think SC is less Club 18-30 and more Club 81-30.

 

[skiba]

I would have voted IN until very recently. I’ll say the following things..

1. Not sure why the entirety of this is all falling on Levy ? Joe Lewis is the one with £5bn worth of personal fortune and he hasn’t put a penny in to help us on the pitch as far as I can see. I can’t see how it makes any sense to want to retain any aspect of ENIC but get rid of Levy

2. Aside from if you think ENIC have done good or not it’s become clear they can’t or won’t put in the on the pitch finances to compete with the likes of City and these other new owners at various clubs. You could even think they are overall great but still want them gone under the basis of this poll.

3. The poll doesn’t necessitate us being taken over by sports washers if you vote ENIC out. How about a Todd Boehly type that spends as much money as he does in a more organised and logical fashion as an example ?

We can be successful without Lewis pumping millions in IMO. We just need the football side of the business to be run by those that know how to do it effectively and not DL. I was content and happy to give ENIC another go with FP coming in and DL seemingly stepping aside but it appears he just won't relinquish enough control to let those that know they are doing run this area of the club effectively.

 

[newbie]

The main issue really is the shit choices in buying players, and not shifting the dross!

If we had brought better we would not be saying ENIC out

There were also times where we need just to buy not spend huge amounts but the right player or two we could have e won the league.

ENIC have done a lot right, and brought us forward!

Have they the desire to compete ?

 

[Karol]

If you run a poll on a site that is almost certainly mainly frequented by younger people , who enjoy voicing their opinions (a lot) then the results will always be pretty lopsided !

I doubt it. I think SC is less Club 18-30 and more Club 81-30.

Ahem, what about Saga for us old bastards

 

[Guernman]

I find this situation so incredibly frustrating, because ENIC and Levy have done a lot right over the years. But ultimately they seem inextricably tied together and what we need more than anything right now is for Levy to step away from the football side of the business.

I had been pro-Levy for years because the justifications for our conservative approach to player acquisitions and the wage bill were valid. Build the infrastructure, especially the stadium, and it changes everything. Yes, Covid came at a particularly bad time for us, but now we are seeing that the plan did pay off with a transformative lift to our revenues. (I suspect the next set of accounts will be eye opening).

We have secured long term debt on favourable terms, especially with interest rates now rising, and the basis was finally there for us to become the force we have all been hoping for.

Levy is clearly obsessive and a control freak. Characteristics which were essential in delivering one of the greatest stadiums in the world are now impeding our benefiting fully from it. Like a tragic Shakespearen character he is orchestrating his own downfall when so close to achieving what he wanted.

For me, the Amazon documentary was an eye opener. This was the most access we had been given behind the scenes and particularly to Levy. I was genuinely shocked by his micro-management and the fact that he really seemed so clueless about the football side.

The activity in the last few transfer windows are also revealing. I was so excited that he brought in the Paratici Conte axis and was apparently going to step back from the football side of operations. Finally this was all falling into place. But then comes the endless and obvious interference.

Conte would have known that our budget would be growing but still finite. He doesn't have a problem with that, but he and Paratici need full control. We needed a new RWB more than anything else last summer, and we ended up with Spence, obviously because of Levy craving for that deal.

He cannot let go of that drive for the deal. Get a better price, squeeze, wait it out. Look at this window. Maybe we will get Porro and Zaniolo, maybe we lose out in the end, but either way, we could have had these deals done on day 1 like Liverpool did with Gakpo.

If we want to compete at the top, we have to accept that player acquisitions is the number one drain on a club's resources. Levy will always view it as an additional source of revenue. He just can't let go of the old ways. He deeply believes that you can build a winning team on a budget and every player can be a profitable purchase.

If you are going to stick to that mantra then you don't hire Mourinho or Conte. You hire Campos and a project manager. If you want to win now you hire Conte and back him. Not in terms of money, that goes without saying, but by ceding control and stop bloody interfering.

Like I say, so frustrating. Daniel Levy could have been a hero for this club. But he seems destined to be consumed by a fire of his own making. It's a hard call because new owners is a lottery. I don't mind ENIC, but I do mind Levy insisting on interfering in every aspect of the footballing side. If the Qataris come in and clip his wings or any other minority investor can, then fine. But if that can't happen, then ENIC out.

 

[newbie]

We can be successful without Lewis pumping millions in IMO. We just need the football side of the business to be run by those that know how to do it effectively and not DL. I was content and happy to give ENIC another go with FP coming in and DL seemingly stepping aside but it appears he just won't relinquish enough control to let those that know they are doing run this area of the club effectively.

exactly
Van dyke instead of Sanchez
Suarez
Missing out on Salah and Marne

A million left backs and right backs.

Not selling players and replacing fast enough!

Bad scouting and poor choices on the pitch.

Not to mention the obsession with “tactical managers”

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Out! Have you seen how much that **** charges for hay

Have you voted twice?

 

[Albertbarich]

I don't want to win trophies with arab oil money.

No worries, Qatar sell gas.

 

[dirtyh]

That's your opinion, and I'm fine with that. But I've called Man City's trophies worthless for the way they've won them, I'd been a hypocrite if I didn't think the same if we won trophies with the same kind of money.

yup, me too and completely agree. think we've gone past the ethical standpoint now though as it's clear that without a change we won't win anything, regardless of what that change is.

are you happy with sitting there over the next 30/40/50 years with the money clubs lording it over us when they win again and again and again whilst we have the moral high ground but absolutely nothing to show for it? personally i'd like to see us win something. football is broken anyway, it's more than obvious that nice guys win nothing and as shit as life is, spurs give me that little bit of hope to keep going.

i'd be a liar if i said i would give 2 shits if we had massive investment leading to us winning something, especially if it meant squashing one of our rivals on the way.

since the inception of the cartel that is the premier league, only 6 teams have won it and obv only leicester (even though it stank the way teams and rules were bent over for them) would be able to say that they didn't buy it. that's not to say we need massive investment, just stop the bloody penny pinching we always do and buy quality in the right areas and operate like a football club rather than a business. unfortunately enic and levy and so far entrenched in the business side that the football side (barring a miracle) will never develop to where it needs to unless there's a change. that's why i voted out, am sick of the same old same old.

 

[alpha]

I inadvertently clicked 'in'; can I change this, please? @Rob

 

[dimiSpur]

I don't want to win trophies with arab oil money.

I get what you mean, but the notion that money from other countries/owners is "clean" is laughable.

Google & Meta make fortunes exploiting our personal lives, I'd say that's a lot more "dodgy" than selling oil from a well. The problem is their general stance on human rights issues, not so much where the income comes from.

 

[McFlash]

I find this situation so incredibly frustrating, because ENIC and Levy have done a lot right over the years. But ultimately they seem inextricably tied together and what we need more than anything right now is for Levy to step away from the football side of the business.

I had been pro-Levy for years because the justifications for our conservative approach to player acquisitions and the wage bill were valid. Build the infrastructure, especially the stadium, and it changes everything. Yes, Covid came at a particularly bad time for us, but now we are seeing that the plan did pay off with a transformative lift to our revenues. (I suspect the next set of accounts will be eye opening).

We have secured long term debt on favourable terms, especially with interest rates now rising, and the basis was finally there for us to become the force we have all been hoping for.

Levy is clearly obsessive and a control freak. Characteristics which were essential in delivering one of the greatest stadiums in the world are now impeding our benefiting fully from it. Like a tragic Shakespearen character he is orchestrating his own downfall when so close to achieving what he wanted.

For me, the Amazon documentary was an eye opener. This was the most access we had been given behind the scenes and particularly to Levy. I was genuinely shocked by his micro-management and the fact that he really seemed so clueless about the football side.

The activity in the last few transfer windows are also revealing. I was so excited that he brought in the Paratici Conte axis and was apparently going to step back from the football side of operations. Finally this was all falling into place. But then comes the endless and obvious interference.

Conte would have known that our budget would be growing but still finite. He doesn't have a problem with that, but he and Paratici need full control. We needed a new RWB more than anything else last summer, and we ended up with Spence, obviously because of Levy craving for that deal.

He cannot let go of that drive for the deal. Get a better price, squeeze, wait it out. Look at this window. Maybe we will get Porro and Zaniolo, maybe we lose out in the end, but either way, we could have had these deals done on day 1 like Liverpool did with Gakpo.

If we want to compete at the top, we have to accept that player acquisitions is the number one drain on a club's resources. Levy will always view it as an additional source of revenue. He just can't let go of the old ways. He deeply believes that you can build a winning team on a budget and every player can be a profitable purchase.

If you are going to stick to that mantra then you don't hire Mourinho or Conte. You hire Campos and a project manager. If you want to win now you hire Conte and back him. Not in terms of money, that goes without saying, but by ceding control and stop bloody interfering.

Like I say, so frustrating. Daniel Levy could have been a hero for this club. But he seems destined to be consumed by a fire of his own making. It's a hard call because new owners is a lottery. I don't mind ENIC, but I do mind Levy insisting on interfering in every aspect of the footballing side. If the Qataris come in and clip his wings or any other minority investor can, then fine. But if that can't happen, then ENIC out.

Great post and sums up my stance far more eloquently than I could.?