Lewis Holtby

[Dharmabum]

Quote from Chadli after the QPR game

“We have Ade at the top and then, behind him, we had me, Christian [Eriksen] and Erik, who are all encouraged to change position during the game,” said Chadli. “That makes it very difficult for the opponents to choose which one of us to pick up. It’s a new way of playing and we are trying to play like that. It’s like we have three No10s, which means we can also get the full-backs forward in wide positions, which makes five players supporting Ade in attack. It is very different and I have never played this way before. But we have to learn it and it can help us improve.

Yes, I read those comment already.... but that does not mean that Holtby is competing for Lamela's or Chadli's positions. Lamela, Ade and Chadli are STILL forwards in this system and Lamela changing position with Holtby at times does not make Lamela a DMF nor Holtby a wide forward. The defenders are still defenders and the MF are still MF. They have freedome to roam around within certain limits.
Total football was "invented" by the Dutch in the late 60s; yet, say, Cruijff was still a foward, Suurbier and Krol still FB etc etc.

 

[Vulcan10]

I don't mean to go against the grain again but I also hear a lot of comments re likeable character etc for holtby. Again not a criticism just a genuine question but what is this based on?
I remember a front page newspaper article about his private life (sending pics of himself to an air stewardess if I remember rightly) so I don't think we can put him in the dawson family guy/good image for the club category & I just don't see what is so likeable about him (not saying I dislike him just wondering what he's done character wise that is so special).
I'm guessing those that praise him just like his energy and are wiling him to do well rather than a specific characteristic/star quality he possesses, would that be fair?

 

[jezz]

Poch: "It doesn't matter where you start, as long as you defend. Just keep swapping position with any player you like. Remember: you all have free roles to play." Is that how you think Poch's game plan is?
Sound worse than Harry's tactical talks...

http://www.theguardian.com/football...dli-revitalised-tottenham-mauricio-pochettino

 

[jezz]

Yes, I read those comment already.... but that does not mean that Holtby is competing for Lamela's or Chadli's positions. Lamela, Ade and Chadli are STILL forwards in this system and Lamela changing position with Holtby at times does not make Lamela a DMF nor Holtby a wide forward. The defenders are still defenders and the MF are still MF. They have freedome to roam around within certain limits.
Total football was "invented" by the Dutch in the late 60s; yet, say, Cruijff was still a foward, Suurbier and Krol still FB etc etc.

Who said Holtby was a DM?

 

[spurs9]

Yes, I read those comment already.... but that does not mean that Holtby is competing for Lamela's or Chadli's positions. Lamela, Ade and Chadli are STILL forwards in this system and Lamela changing position with Holtby at times does not make Lamela a DMF nor Holtby a wide forward. The defenders are still defenders and the MF are still MF. They have freedome to roam around within certain limits.
Total football was "invented" by the Dutch in the late 60s; yet, say, Cruijff was still a foward, Suurbier and Krol still FB etc etc.

Firstly, Holtby is not a DMF. Secondly, as Chadli says, we essentially have 3 #10's (not forwards) behind the striker, which Holtby is as much as Chadli (although both have very different styles) and more so than Lennon or Townsend.

 

[DaSpurs]

I don't mean to go against the grain again but I also hear a lot of comments re likeable character etc for holtby. Again not a criticism just a genuine question but what is this based on?
I remember a front page newspaper article about his private life (sending pics of himself to an air stewardess if I remember rightly) so I don't think we can put him in the dawson family guy/good image for the club category & I just don't see what is so likeable about him (not saying I dislike him just wondering what he's done character wise that is so special).
I'm guessing those that praise him just like his energy and are wiling him to do well rather than a specific characteristic/star quality he possesses, would that be fair?

My impression is it's a social media phenomena as with Sandro. He seems to be constantly joking around with the lads and keeping folks laughing.

From someone who has never cheated on a significant other in his life, I still don't find what he did on the plane as that deplorable. What Giroud did in lying to his coach and teammates, and having it affect his job is another level. Otherwise, I don't think it's particularly any of our business and does not suggest who a person is as long as it's within limits (i.e. Not forcing himself on the air stewardess for example in any manner).

As all of us gents know, testosterone is a helluva drug, and is IMO an unfair basis to discredit a person's entire personality for.

 

[Dharmabum]

Who said Holtby was a DM?

He has played as DM but is more like deeper laying CMF. He certainly is no forward

 

[Dharmabum]

Firstly, Holtby is not a DMF. Secondly, as Chadli says, we essentially have 3 #10's (not forwards) behind the striker, which Holtby is as much as Chadli (although both have very different styles) and more so than Lennon or Townsend.

Holtby has been used as DMF though I know he's more of a "roaming" CMF. Although both Chadli and Lamela moves inside to occopy the "10 sport" they are still designated as forwards. Holtby is not and never will be used as a forward by Poch, and thus he is not in direct competition with Lamela for a starting spot. Some times Dier or Jan are higher up-field than Lamela and occupying his position, but that doesn't mean they're compeiting with Lamela for the starting spot.
Again, though Lamela has a free role he is still a wide forward. And Eriksen is still the no. 10 even though he roams around the field at times. Besides, this is not a system Poch has invented.

 

[jezz]

He has played as DM but is more like deeper laying CMF. He certainly is no forward

Really, good presser of the ball, can pick a pass, good link up play and score goals.
Sounds pretty good AM to me

 

[spurs9]

Holtby has been used as DMF though I know he's more of a "roaming" CMF. Although both Chadli and Lamela moves inside to occopy the "10 sport" they are still designated as forwards. Holtby is not and never will be used as a forward by Poch, and thus he is not in direct competition with Lamela for a starting spot. Some times Dier or Jan are higher up-field than Lamela and occupying his position, but that doesn't mean they're compeiting with Lamela for the starting spot.
Again, though Lamela has a free role he is still a wide forward. And Eriksen is still the no. 10 even though he roams around the field at times. Besides, this is not a system Poch has invented.

They don't play as forwards, they come too deep to get the ball (Lamela does anyway). Also Holtby's best performances pre-season were when he started on the right of the 3 behind the striker and his worst were when he played in the CM 2.

 

[spurs9]

He has played as DM but is more like deeper laying CMF. He certainly is no forward

He doesn't (yet) have the positional discipline to play as a Deep Lying Playmaker.

 

[Mr Pink]

“I’d be lying if I said that we have nothing to do with Holtby,” Dietmar Beiersdorfer confirmed. If all chairmen were so honest, life would be much simpler.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Holtby is another one who's never really had a fair crack at it. When at Schalke, as a number ten he was very good and as we basically play 3 number tens there is a role in squad albeit backup currently. If he was to go though it would be 3 managers who didn't really fancy him. Dunno what is behind scenes and hard to say if a player who we'd be ok to move on or one who is on that list that we'd rather not but may have to.

 

[St José Dominguez]

“I’d be lying if I said that we have nothing to do with Holtby,” Dietmar Beiersdorfer confirmed. If all chairmen were so honest, life would be much simpler.

We should give Levy a recurring ten minute slot on Spurs TV.

 

[Mr Pink]

We should give Levy a recurring ten minute slot on Spurs TV.

You just know that was aimed at Levy

 

[Vulcan10]

My impression is it's a social media phenomena as with Sandro. He seems to be constantly joking around with the lads and keeping folks laughing.

From someone who has never cheated on a significant other in his life, I still don't find what he did on the plane as that deplorable. What Giroud did in lying to his coach and teammates, and having it affect his job is another level. Otherwise, I don't think it's particularly any of our business and does not suggest who a person is as long as it's within limits (i.e. Not forcing himself on the air stewardess for example in any manner).

As all of us gents know, testosterone is a helluva drug, and is IMO an unfair basis to discredit a person's entire personality for.

That's a interesting point re social media - cheers.

By the way I wasn't particularly criticising him on the air plane incident, just trying to think of what I knew about him to explain the great character that people refer to & that was the only incident I could think of. It was hardly a positive however and did bring the club's name to the papers for the wrong reasons.

 

[DaSpurs]

That's a interesting point re social media - cheers.

By the way I wasn't particularly criticising him on the air plane incident, just trying to think of what I knew about him to explain the great character that people refer to & that was the only incident I could think of. It was hardly a positive however and did bring the club's name to the papers for the wrong reasons.

You're absolutely right, it certainly did. It certainly wasn't a wise decision to do it on his part, regardless of whether or not I think it indicates anything as to his actual personality. And no worries, I wasn't criticizing you for you mentioning it as it seemed you were asking a question rather than making any sort of statement.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

@LyallThomas: #HSV director has confirmed #Hamburg's intertest in #Tottenham midfielder Lewis Holtby. "I'd be lying if I said we weren't.." #THFC

 

[Shadydan]

The fact that everyone's arguing about Holtby's natural position suggests that the itself could be one of the reasons he hasn't settled here and keeps being linked with a move away. Question marks over whether he's versatile enough to play as one of the forwards behind the striker and at the same time question marks over whether he's disciplined enough to play as a regista...No one knows what his best position is.

 

[DaSpurs]

The fact that everyone's arguing about Holtby's natural position suggests that the itself could be one of the reasons he hasn't settled here and keeps being linked with a move away. Question marks over whether he's versatile enough to play as one of the forwards behind the striker and at the same time question marks over whether he's disciplined enough to play as a regista...No one knows what his best position is.

It's true unfortunately, even the Hamburg fans are honestly already squabbling over what position he plays.