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Rout-Ledge

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What sensible, realistic, managerial decision could we make for the last 7 games of the season?
It was obvious Conte was going as early as January. It’s simply absurd that the club didn’t have a succession plan in place for his absolutely inevitable sacking.
 

jebratt

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Just curious but there were reports that Lewis pushed for Poch while Levy wanted Rafa because of his connections in Argentina…Surely Lewis must have similar information about Gallardo…?
 
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Ossie85

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Dont think either of them are good examples. Diego Simeone had a 16 year playing career in Europe, and then had 3 different manager gigs in Europe before he got the Athleti gig (Racing club in la liga, then Catania in Serie A, then back to Racing club) he wasn't air dropped straight from Argentina into a big European team. He's not really relevant here.

Martino wasn't particularly great at Barca and left after 1 season. He now describes it as the worst year of his life. He only won the league cup with one of the greatest club teams of all time (peak messi, neymar, xavi, busquets, fabregas, alves etc) For reference, Enrique came in the year after and immediately won the treble. By a lot of accounts the fans hated the football and he only really got the gig due to Messi pushing for it.

If anything I think Martino is an argument against Gallardo as a manager really out of his depth.
Manuel Pellegrini jumped from River to Villarreal, finishing 3rd in his first season in La Liga and getting to a CL semifinal in the following season. And Villarreal were something like Wolves or Soton at that time.

Anyway, football has changed a lot since then. The bridge between the leagues is much smaller. Players would take a lot of time to adapt back then. Moving from South America to the PL was a big risk. Now they hardly need time to adapt. Look at all of the players who joing straight from South America. Alvarez is the standout player, but a lot of Bighton players came straight from South America, and for pennies. McAllister, Caicedo, Enciso. And I would count Enzo Fernandez too, as he only played a 3/4 months at Benfica.
This makes me believe that Managers can easily make the jump now. And language is not a problem.

There's not many examples of managers doing this jump, but if you consider the rate of success of the ones who did, it's definitively worth the gamble. Specially as the bridge between the leagues has become smaller like I said before.

PS: Racing Club is a club in Argentina, one of the big ones actually. It's the club Simeone supports
 
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Fidget

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I think with Munn coming in (City guy) Kompany implementing a philosophy from the academy through to the first team should be a lot easier. Watch this Video of Kompany's first meeting with Burnley players.


Do we think he’d consider failing with us, at this early stage of his management career? I mean, are we a good team to take on, with all the mess and all of the history of failure and Levy and all?
 

TPdYID

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Anyway, football has changed a lot since then. The bridge between the leagues is much smaller. Players would take a lot of time to adapt back then. Moving from South America to the PL was a big risk. Now they hardly need time to adapt. Look at all of the players who joing straight from South America. Alvarez is the standout players, but a lot of Bighton players came straight from South America, and for pennies. McAllister, Caicedo, Enciso. And I would count Enzo Fernandez too, as he only played a 3/4 months at Benfica.
This makes me believe that Managers can easily make the jump now. And language is not a problem

PS: Racing Club is a club in Argentina, one of the big ones actually
"and language is not a problem" - how so?

Surely communication is fundamental to any sort of lasting human connection. How (as a coach) are you going to be heard or understood if the players (aside from a couple) don't understand a word you're saying?
 

VoteMe4Prez

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Do we think he’d consider failing with us, at this early stage of his management career? I mean, are we a good team to take on, with all the mess and all of the history of failure and Levy and all?
No top tier manager should be thinking about failing in any management job, they should be licking their lips at the challenge
 

Ossie85

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"and language is not a problem" - how so?

Surely communication is fundamental to any sort of lasting human connection. How (as a coach) are you going to be heard or understood if the players (aside from a couple) don't understand a word you're saying?
Language is not a problem because Gallardo can speak English as well as someone like Pochettino or Unai Emery

But answering your question, Bielsa hardly spoke english, he had a translator, and every team member bought into his philosophy and culture. Just look at the Leeds players opinions about him.

Communication is important, but language is less of problem than what many of you think
 

TPdYID

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Language is not a problem because Gallardo can speak English as well as someone like Pochettino or Unai Emery

But answering your question, Bielsa hardly spoke english, he had a translator, and every team member bought into his philosophy and culture. Just look at the Leeds players opinions about him.

Communication is important, but language is less of problem than what many of you think
I wasn't aware that Gallardo spoke any English tbf.

Your point about Bielsa backs up your initial post well, thanks for replying.
 

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My fear with Kompany or Slot is that both haven't had to deal with much adversity in their coaching career's to date. Coaching Spurs will be on another level, pressure & scrutiny wise than either have dealt with before. Kompany & Burnley have both said on record that promotion was a 3 year plan, they didn't expect things to click so quickly.
With Scott Munn in place & his background with CFG, i think Ange P has to be high up on the list of potential coaches. Any person who can convince Dermot Desmond, a man who doesn't tolerate bullshiters, within a 30min phone call that they are right to lead his club, has something about him.
Interview below gives another insight into his coaching style & beliefs. Personaly think its imperative our next manager wants to be here, is proud to be here & believes in attacking football. Ange P ticks all boxes..


No disrespect for Ange P, have to admit I don’t know much about him, but will he command the same respect from the players than a crowned player like Kompany would do? The guy has a huge personality and stature in the game/league compared to Ange (or Slot for that matter)…
 

TPdYID

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No disrespect for Ange P, have to admit I don’t know much about him, but will he command the same respect from the players than a crowned player like Kompany would do? The guy has a huge personality and stature in the game/league compared to Ange (or Slot for that matter)…
Mourinho & Conte were hardly Barry Fry and that didn’t work out so well.
 

Spursmatty87

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No disrespect for Ange P, have to admit I don’t know much about him, but will he command the same respect from the players than a crowned player like Kompany would do? The guy has a huge personality and stature in the game/league compared to Ange (or Slot for that matter)…
Who cares about these players he can bin every last one and start again for me.
 

journeyman

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No disrespect for Ange P, have to admit I don’t know much about him, but will he command the same respect from the players than a crowned player like Kompany would do? The guy has a huge personality and stature in the game/league compared to Ange (or Slot for that matter)…
Like Lampard or Gerrard then? Not a criteria we should be attaching real weight to.
 

HedgieSpur

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I completely agree regarding the mental aspect. For me it’s more then just a change of tactics we need, that is one of the reasons i really want Gallardo because he understands that it’s not just about the football you play but the players mind set. I posted the below article about one of Gallardo’s assistants before but it’s worth reading if you missed it. This is the kind of thinking we need at Spurs imo. She speaks fluent English as well.


Honestly, Im flabbergasted (and annoyed) that Gallardo seemingly isnt under consideration. I dont think here in Europe we appreciate how difficult it is to win the Libertadores. Moreover, due to economics, South American managers are constantly losing their best players and having to recycle and bring through youth. He's a perfect fit for serious consideration at the very least...especially if we are considering managers from Celtic, Burnley and Feyenoord ffs
 

Ossie85

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Honestly, Im flabbergasted (and annoyed) that Gallardo seemingly isnt under consideration. I dont think here in Europe we appreciate how difficult it is to win the Libertadores. Moreover, due to economics, South American managers are constantly losing their best players and having to recycle and bring through youth. He's a perfect fit for serious consideration at the very least...especially if we are considering managers from Celtic, Burnley and Feyenoord ffs
Just to give an extreme example. The Copa Libertadores has games in high altitude (Bolivia, Ecuador & Colombia), where players run out of oxygen if they are not used to place. For those games managers have to completely change their tactics. And managers really test themselves under these situations
 
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