Quick opinion poll - AVB

[StartingPrice]

The wheels came off because he was undermined by Comolli and Kemsley's tapping up another club's manager over the summer; neither was he bought the players he really needed to strengthen the squad.

<SIGHS>

Beejaysus, SS...have any of our managers ever done anything wrong...I mean, the way you go on you'd think they were all being sabotaged by purple aliens in turquoise shellsuits, or summit

 

[SpurSince57]

<SIGHS>

Beejaysus, SS...have any of our managers ever done anything wrong...I mean, the way you go on you'd think they were all being sabotaged by purple aliens in turquoise shellsuits, or summit

We were talking to Juanque for much of the summer. You don't really think Levy panicked after two games, do you?

Bale and Kaboul have developed into top players but were inexperienced kids five years ago. Bent was a top goalscorer but not really what we needed, and reportedly unwanted by Jol. Prince Bong was not the midfielder Jol wanted or the side needed.

Are you disputing either of those points?

 

[StartingPrice]

We were talking to Juanque for much of the summer. You don't really think Levy panicked after two games, do you?

Bale and Kaboul have developed into top players but were inexperienced kids five years ago. Bent was a top goalscorer but not really what we needed, and reportedly unwanted by Jol. Prince Bong was not the midfielder Jol wanted or the side needed.

Are you disputing either of those points?

Because it is impossible to dispute the validity of your post if you don't dispute these two points, right? <SIGHS>
This was all talked out at the time.

I was very vocal, at the time, that BMJ had been given the rough end of the stick.
But that DOESN'T mean he was absolutely fecking infallible. I made a comment on the fact that you treat certain of our managers as though they were infallible. Are you saying they are infallible? It would seem that that was a much more pertinent question to answer than the two you ask (as though they were the only two possible questions <SIGHS>).

But just for the record:
Do you have evidence that my memory is faulty and I have no recollection of the fact that our representatives were sniffing around Wandery's arse like dogs around a biatch in heat? Because I think I remembered that perfectly well. I don't remember saying it didn't happen, or even suggesting it didn't - so why the uncontrollable urge to ask me? Yes, the public courting of Wandery was distateful, to say the least. Are you saying BMJ didn't do any whoring of his own? Weren't there alleged contacts with Newcastle, for instance?
As I seem to recall it, I was about the only member of this forum defending KPB, by pointing out that he wasn't a defensive midfielder, when everyone else just accepted he was, but just a crap one. And everyone apart from, seemingly, Comolli, knew that was what we needed - which was probably why one of the first acts of Mr Redknapp that Summer, was to sign Palacios (whose own handling of his transfer request was hardly savoury, as I recall).

But all of this misses the point: I highlighted your tendency to jump to an immediate defence of certain of our ex managers, at the slightest hint of criticism, as though your life depended on asserting their infallibility. I made a comment on that, and your response if to hgihlight two areas that you belief you are unassailable in, as though they somehow disprove the claim that you just cannot hear even the slightest criticism of certain of our ex managers. Savvy?

 

[SpurSince57]

Because it is impossible to dispute the validity of your post if you don't dispute these two points, right? <SIGHS>
This was all talked out at the time.

I was very vocal, at the time, that BMJ had been given the rough end of the stick.
But that DOESN'T mean he was absolutely fecking infallible. I made a comment on the fact that you treat certain of our managers as though they were infallible. Are you saying they are infallible? It would seem that that was a much more pertinent question to answer than the two you ask (as though they were the only two possible questions <SIGHS>).

But just for the record:
Do you have evidence that my memory is faulty and I have no recollection of the fact that our representatives were sniffing around Wandery's arse like dogs around a biatch in heat? Because I think I remembered that perfectly well. I don't remember saying it didn't happen, or even suggesting it didn't - so why the uncontrollable urge to ask me? Yes, the public courting of Wandery was distateful, to say the least. Are you saying BMJ didn't do any whoring of his own? Weren't there alleged contacts with Newcastle, for instance?
As I seem to recall it, I was about the only member of this forum defending KPB, by pointing out that he wasn't a defensive midfielder, when everyone else just accepted he was, but just a crap one. And everyone apart from, seemingly, Comolli, knew that was what we needed - which was probably why one of the first acts of Mr Redknapp that Summer, was to sign Palacios (whose own handling of his transfer request was hardly savoury, as I recall).

But all of this misses the point: I highlighted your tendency to jump to an immediate defence of certain of our ex managers, at the slightest hint of criticism, as though your life depended on asserting their infallibility. I made a comment on that, and your response if to hgihlight two areas that you belief you are unassailable in, as though they somehow disprove the claim that you just cannot hear even the slightest criticism of certain of our ex managers. Savvy?

I didn't claim that he was. I was pointing out that it was no fault of his that the wheels came off.

 

[StartingPrice]

I didn't claim that he was. I was pointing out that it was no fault of his that the wheels came off.

Yes, but I merely laughed at you (in a not wholly unfriendly manner) because you always swing into defensive mode at the slightest hint of criticism of certain of our ex managers, and I got a lecture, purely on terms you found conducive, imputing failings to my memory on issues I had never even disputed.
Lighten up, FFS

 

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+1

Why?

 

[Lappi]

Where's the option for "I think it'll be a car crash, but i'm happy as at least it'll be an entertaining car crash"?

 

[Kingstheman]

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+1

Surely you meant to say...

'Your boys took a hell of a beating!'

 

[southlondonyiddo]

It's funny the number of SCers who are worried he will be goddampantsshiteawful...the opposite thought worries me: he will turn out to be the elephants goands, and we will only have him for a short contract. What do we do, then?
Assuming he is going to be our new manager, that is.

I would be happy with the signing of AVB.

Given the time I think he could do wonders for spurs. If what he is after is complete control of football matters then give it to him along with the youth training policy. Saying that, I really hope Levy does give him the time and comes down strongly on players not pulling their weight. As many have said, a lot of players now are mercenaries, as such, they get paid to do a job. Fine if they don't like the manager and want to leave, so be it, but they still have to act in a professional manner for which their £70 F-ing 000+ a week wages demands of them.

If players don't want to play for him, so what, many more will. Regardless of who you are some will like you and sill will not. Same with all managers, some players liked Harry and some didn't. AVB is a young manager and a great tactician as proved by his spells in Portugal and being young he will develop as well as manager. Also I think that Tim Sherwood has been appointed to help him deal with players side after AVB's player revolt at Chelsea and levy does not want this. Whilst not interfering with AVB job, Sherwood can advise on how deal with situations from a man-management perspective I think. As I think a lot of the problems foreign managers have in this country are more cultural rather than them being useless and shite. What AVB see's as the accepted norm in Portugal, maybe seriously frown upon here in the UK.

Going to Chelsea first may have done us a favour in the long run in that he may have learned from this and we will reap the rewards of one Europe's hottest young managers by letting Chelsea fuck up first. If this works out, we will get a big one over them and maybe for a very long time to come. Remember he is in his 30's so he may still be at the club managing for the 30 years time. By this time the club would have an established youth training system feeding the first with players who be taught to use their brains and not just their feet. Which can be a good thing for the England team too.

It has the potential to be a great signing for us and I very much look forward to it, but he needs time and not just a year or two. Not just as a club, but for him as a manager too.

He would neither get the time from the squad or the chairman. We wouldn't finish top half next season with him and after 1 nutty press conference after another where nobody knows what the hell he's talking about the supporters would be calling for his head and the board would duly oblige

 

[StartingPrice]

He would neither get the time from the squad or the chairman. We wouldn't finish top half next season with him and after 1 nutty press conference after another where nobody knows what the hell he's talking about the supporters would be calling for his head and the board would duly oblige

Let's wait and see

 

[Lucky22]

I agree that it was a unique situation at Chelsea and I know AVB won't face the same problems at WHL. I don't think it is so much that the media has it in for AVB, rather than the press was being fed stories by their so-called darlings like Drogba and Lampard who have used this method to great effect in the past. His biggest mistake was to drop Fat Frank (even though his remit did seem to be to dump the old guard) and he learned the hard way what a decision like that entails.
We are a team on the up and up - Chelsea are in a major transition period. even if you take Modric out of the equation, we have a hell of a squad and any new manager will obviously have money to spend, so he can add some real quality too. Personally, I'm excited about what AVB can achieve with us.