Ratings vs QPR

[iluvsteffenfreund]

It's not stupid, it's people's opinion.

I'm not scapegoating him. I'm a massive fan of Walker and consistently defend him against those who single him out.

But he was very poor today, making three or four huge errors both at the back and going forward.

He needs to rediscover his previous form but he's clearly not playing well at the moment.

Thing is you would miss the last gasp headers he makes to clear danger, the blocks he puts in in and around the box, and the interception when Phillips was about to pull trigger with 5 to go. No coincidence we have won a lot more games since he has been back.

 

[Bobbins]

Thing is you would miss the last gasp headers he makes to clear danger, the blocks he puts in in and around the box, and the interception when Phillips was about to pull trigger with 5 to go. No coincidence we have won a lot more games since he has been back.

I'm not missing anything, like I said I like him and don't want him to be sold like so many here do - I just thought he was poor today an could've cost us the points more than once.

 

[mpickard2087]

Thing is you would miss the last gasp headers he makes to clear danger, the blocks he puts in in and around the box, and the interception when Phillips was about to pull trigger with 5 to go. No coincidence we have won a lot more games since he has been back.

But even that interception had to be made because it looked like he chose to follow him back in, instead of holding the offside line as the rest of them do (I'll admit it was touch and go as to whether Davies was playing him onside or not though). Redeeming his own mistake. Was exactly the same thing as Costa last weekend...

I'm hardly one of Walker's biggest fans, I'll admit, but I'm struggling to see how people can be rushing to his defence after today. It wasn't absolutely disastrous incompetence throughout but he made pretty ridiculous errors at both ends of the pitch and it was only fortune, and being bailed out by others, that meant it didn't have a very great impact on proceedings.

 

[eViL]

Walker's brain obviously fell out of his nostril today, they must have found and reinserted it with 10 minutes to go and the medics put the bung up his nose to keep it there.

Aaaaand, much that Kane was the scorer of the winner - Hugo was the match winner today.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I'm not scapegoating him. I'm a massive fan of Walker and consistently defend him against those who single him out.

You used to defend Lennon, too. Then you had what can only be called a moment of clarity.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Let's be honest mo PO sees what we see surely, I'm not masons biggest fan but he gets in the side because he rates him same as walker. We don't lose many games when walker plays he is of course capable of the odd lapse but he is decent on the whole. Anyway the manager that watches them every day is the one opinion we should go with, if he replaces any of the starting 11 today in the summer we know he thinks there's better out there.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Let's be honest mo PO sees what we see surely, I'm not masons biggest fan but he gets in the side because he rates him same as walker. We don't lose many games when walker plays he is of course capable of the odd lapse but he is decent on the whole. Anyway the manager that watches them every day is the one opinion we should go with, if he replaces any of the starting 11 today in the summer we know he thinks there's better out there.

I find it hard to believe that you keep bashing the shit out of Mason (a player I think has been overhyped) but leap to the defence of Walker. As you were.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Hilarious low votes for Walker based on the back header it seems, I saw the whole game and he was far from poor. Kane's header goes a foot either side of the keeper and all of sudden it's a fantastic assist, the kind that fan favourites get lauded for...

On the other hand, Davies had an embarrassing first 45 minutes, and Eriksen should have been hooked at half time he was that disappointing.

I'd put this down as a good three points without playing well against a pathetic team, we should have absolutely battered them considering they were playing s 442 with a player that played like a GS in Netball and wasn't allowed to leave the oppositions area. Zamora.

It wasn't a tactical masterclass in any way, shape or form, just glad we had our striker on his game.

 

[mpickard2087]

Hilarious low votes for Walker based on the back header it seems, I saw the whole game and he was far from poor. Kane's header goes a foot either side of the keeper and all of sudden it's a fantastic assist, the kind that fan favourites get lauded for...

On the other hand, Davies had an embarrassing first 45 minutes, and Eriksen should have been hooked at half time he was that disappointing.

I'd put this down as a good three points without playing well against a pathetic team, we should have absolutely battered them considering they were playing s 442 with a player that played like a GS in Netball and wasn't allowed to leave the oppositions area. Zamora.

It wasn't a tactical masterclass in any way, shape or form, just glad we had our striker on his game.

As I said to someone earlier, his shot instead of just slipping a pass in to Mason who would have been in for a one on one with the keeper, and then second half when clean through on goal not even getting a shot away and running into the goalkeeper, were hardly his finest moments... The cross was an absolute peach, but personally when he manages to come up with that, but then fails to accomplish much simpler bits of play, I have to tear my hair out.

Davies I agree, was not great either. Yes he's young, but he adds very little. I got quite a few negs and a number of dissenting voices last summer when I said we weren't buying much and he was not really any upgrade on Rose apart from maybe being technically smoother. For £10m or whatever he effectively cost as part of that deal its not really value for money so far and I cant see him getting many more appearances this season.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Scrappy Doo

I have to confess, after watching the first half I was not exactly thrilled. I thought QPR looked typically shit and we looked lethargic. We were dominating, but almost as much by default as it seemed as much part of QPR's game plan as it did ours.

But I'm going to give the team some credit here, because what the second half became was a real scrap, with QPR starting to show some teeth and what I really like about this young team is that it seems to thrive on alley scraps, which is really uncharacteristic for any Spurs team and a trait I love.

Obviously I remain slightly bemused by Townsend's selection as I just don't think he fits the system, he's lazy and wasteful and a liability without the ball. He was largely disappointing again bar a very well placed free kick for the first goal. I guess one moment of substance is an improvement but there's still too much head down waste, carelessness and laziness off the ball.

I understand why Rose was probably rested but I also think Eriksen and Bentaleb were due a rest too as that was their fifth game in 16 days I think. And I think those decisions inevitably showed. Neither let us down, in fact both had decent games but a rest would have done both some good I think, preferably wednesday.

It's easy for us to watch games like this and whinge about some of the quality (and I did), but sometimes you have to earn wins the ugly way. Our football was superior for large spells, but when we needed to we got stuck in and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied, when they tried to get up us we got right back up them harder. Typifying that spirit for me is Mason. The boy had another good game, gritty, determined, fluid and played a nice through ball for Chadli, even if Kane did end up taking it and burying it. He was ably assisted by Bentaleb, who didn't have his best game, but was still very good and showed much of the same characteristics as Mason.

The other player who deserves a mention os Eriksen. The kid has just played (tough high pressure) 5 games in 16 days but no midfielder/attacker saw more ball than him.

There wasn't much we could do about their goal really, you don't expect Sandro to score a goal like that, he never did for us. But apart from that and maybe a couple of half snifters we really limited them to fuck all, by a combination of control of the ball and our own ability to battle. It was rarely pretty, but we've been famous for losing pretty. We seem to be becoming a new animal.

Individual stuff:

Lloris - Decent game when called on. Seems to make at least one certain goal saving save a game. Baled out Walker big time.

Walker - Look, I know the boy tries, no-one puts in more effort, and he does put himself into the game and for 80 minutes of a game he can be OK, decent, but he does some mind blowingly fucktardially stupid things. Like his header in the first half, he knows their player is there he's just watched him go there, what the fuck was he thinking. There was the blunders late in the game where he lets a ball go across him to their player then gets fucked by Hoilett. Then there's being played through 1v1 (god knows that's a rarity in itself) and he just dribbles it straight into the keeper. They are just three moments amongst a few today. But there are always a few, every single game just about. The playing the ball inside to an oppo on an attack with everyone up field, the wasting of every single chance to cross, the weird positional shit, the shielding a ball out that isn't going out etc etc. I get the conundrum with him, there aren't a plethora of world class RB's out there and it's like do you swallow the utter banal stupid crap he does for the bulk of OK he does. For me it's a no, but I can understand why its a conundrum. If he was called Carlos Walkerino I'm pretty sure there'd be hardly any left with any patience for the shit he does. Hurry up KWP.

Dier - Decent enough

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - OK/Meh. Not as much stupid as Walker, but not much ambition either and I don't think he's a brilliant defender from what I've seen so far.

Mason - Joint MOTm. Typifies the spirit that's getting us hard earned victories on the road.

Bentaleb - Mason's partner in crime, a slightly cooler head but still got the scrap in him when called on.

Townsend - Very good set piece for the first goal but very wasteful on a couple of other occasions like when played in by their mistake, he could pass or at least shoot on target, instead blazing high and wide. he's very slow at chasing back and closing down too. Not his worst game of late but just doesn't do what is required with or without the ball.

Eriksen - Joint MOTM. He's still struggling with that incisive pass in crucial moments and that is a bit disappointing but despite playing 5 games in 16 days (including away in Florence and the CCup) he saw more ball than anyone in our midfield/attack, made more passes and was very unlucky not to score. Really put a shift in and his work rate and consistent level of involvement in games has been one of Pochettino's biggest successes.

Chadli - OK.

Kane - Worked hard, got his reward with two well taken goals. Occasionally he's bait green with the choices he makes, a bit greedy sometimes in impossible situations but I guess part of that is his youthful exuberance and who's to knock where it's getting him so far eh ?

Subs - I thought the subs were all OK today,

 

[tippspur59]

I went for Mason,he doesn't get as many MOTM awards as Lioris and Kane,they have enough

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Walker (Edit) could be a good player and I think the team has been better since his return. However, he could do so much better. Sort of spoils it for himself when he does daft things. The full back position is so important in MOPO's system, I think it requires more from them than in other formations. He has all the attributes to play it well.

He did okish this game, but I did crap myself when he was defending at times.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

As the last post said Bentaleb was much better than most on here have said. Incredibly important player for us now. Won almost every header he challenged for unlike many others and against a very aggressive QPR central midfield stood up manfully all afternoon (for a very young man)

Lloris was again called upon far too often and was great

MOTM has to go to Harry Kane. Ran around all afternoon. Scored 2 good goals and now has 26 this season with 10 games left. Unbelievable

How many games has Kane played for his 26 goals ?

How many league games has he started ?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Scrappy Doo

I have to confess, after watching the first half I was not exactly thrilled. I thought QPR looked typically shit and we looked lethargic. We were dominating, but almost as much by default as it seemed as much part of QPR's game plan as it did ours.

But I'm going to give the team some credit here, because what the second half became was a real scrap, with QPR starting to show some teeth and what I really like about this young team is that it seems to thrive on alley scraps, which is really uncharacteristic for any Spurs team and a trait I love.

Obviously I remain slightly bemused by Townsend's selection as I just don't think he fits the system, he's lazy and wasteful and a liability without the ball. He was largely disappointing again bar a very well placed free kick for the first goal. I guess one moment of substance is an improvement but there's still too much head down waste, carelessness and laziness off the ball.

I understand why Rose was probably rested but I also think Eriksen and Bentaleb were due a rest too as that was their fifth game in 16 days I think. And I think those decisions inevitably showed. Neither let us down, in fact both had decent games but a rest would have done both some good I think, preferably wednesday.

It's easy for us to watch games like this and whinge about some of the quality (and I did), but sometimes you have to earn wins the ugly way. Our football was superior for large spells, but when we needed to we got stuck in and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied, when they tried to get up us we got right back up them harder. Typifying that spirit for me is Mason. The boy had another good game, gritty, determined, fluid and played a nice through ball for Chadli, even if Kane did end up taking it and burying it. He was ably assisted by Bentaleb, who didn't have his best game, but was still very good and showed much of the same characteristics as Mason.

The other player who deserves a mention os Eriksen. The kid has just played (tough high pressure) 5 games in 16 days but no midfielder/attacker saw more ball than him.

There wasn't much we could do about their goal really, you don't expect Sandro to score a goal like that, he never did for us. But apart from that and maybe a couple of half snifters we really limited them to fuck all, by a combination of control of the ball and our own ability to battle. It was rarely pretty, but we've been famous for losing pretty. We seem to be becoming a new animal.

Individual stuff:

Lloris - Decent game when called on. Seems to make at least one certain goal saving save a game. Baled out Walker big time.

Walker - Look, I know the boy tries, no-one puts in more effort, and he does put himself into the game and for 80 minutes of a game he can be OK, decent, but he does some mind blowingly fucktardially stupid things. Like his header in the first half, he knows their player is there he's just watched him go there, what the fuck was he thinking. There was the blunders late in the game where he lets a ball go across him to their player then gets fucked by Hoilett. Then there's being played through 1v1 (god knows that's a rarity in itself) and he just dribbles it straight into the keeper. They are just three moments amongst a few today. But there are always a few, every single game just about. The playing the ball inside on an attack with everyone up field, the wasting of every single chance to cross, the weird positional shit, the shielding a ball out that isn't going out etc etc. I get the conundrum with him, there aren't a plethora of world class RB's out there and it's like do you swallow the utter banal stupid crap he does for the bulk of OK he does. For me it's a no, but I can understand why its a conundrum. Hurry up KWP.

Dier - Decent enough

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - OK.

Mason - Joint MOTm. Typifies the spirit that's getting us hard earned victories on the road.

Bentaleb - Mason's partner in crime, a slightly cooler head but still got the scrap in him when called on.

Townsend - Very good set piece for the first goal but very wasteful on a couple of other occasions like when played in by their mistake, he could pass or at least shoot on target, instead blazing high and wide. he's very slow at chasing back and closing down too. Not his worst game of late but just doesn't do what is required with or without the ball.

Eriksen - Joint MOTM. He's still struggling with that incisive pass in crucial moments and that is a bit disappointing but despite playing 5 games in 16 days (including away in Florence and the CCup) he saw more ball than anyone in our midfield/attack, made more passes and was very unlucky not to score. Really put a shift in and his work rate and consistent level of involvement in games has been one of Pochettino's biggest successes.

Chadli - OK.

Subs - I thought the subs were all OK today,

Let's just ignore Kane then......

 

[kaz Hirai]

Scrappy Doo

I have to confess, after watching the first half I was not exactly thrilled. I thought QPR looked typically shit and we looked lethargic. We were dominating, but almost as much by default as it seemed as much part of QPR's game plan as it did ours.

But I'm going to give the team some credit here, because what the second half became was a real scrap, with QPR starting to show some teeth and what I really like about this young team is that it seems to thrive on alley scraps, which is really uncharacteristic for any Spurs team and a trait I love.



Obviously I remain slightly bemused by Townsend's selection as I just don't think he fits the system, he's lazy and wasteful and a liability without the ball. He was largely disappointing again bar a very well placed free kick for the first goal. I guess one moment of substance is an improvement but there's still too much head down waste, carelessness and laziness off the ball.

I understand why Rose was probably rested but I also think Eriksen and Bentaleb were due a rest too as that was their fifth game in 16 days I think. And I think those decisions inevitably showed. Neither let us down, in fact both had decent games but a rest would have done both some good I think, preferably wednesday.

It's easy for us to watch games like this and whinge about some of the quality (and I did), but sometimes you have to earn wins the ugly way. Our football was superior for large spells, but when we needed to we got stuck in and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied, when they tried to get up us we got right back up them harder. Typifying that spirit for me is Mason. The boy had another good game, gritty, determined, fluid and played a nice through ball for Chadli, even if Kane did end up taking it and burying it. He was ably assisted by Bentaleb, who didn't have his best game, but was still very good and showed much of the same characteristics as Mason.

The other player who deserves a mention os Eriksen. The kid has just played (tough high pressure) 5 games in 16 days but no midfielder/attacker saw more ball than him.

There wasn't much we could do about their goal really, you don't expect Sandro to score a goal like that, he never did for us. But apart from that and maybe a couple of half snifters we really limited them to fuck all, by a combination of control of the ball and our own ability to battle. It was rarely pretty, but we've been famous for losing pretty. We seem to be becoming a new animal.

Individual stuff:

Lloris - Decent game when called on.

Walker - Look, I know the boy tries, no-one puts in more effort, and he does put himself into the game and for 80 minutes of a game he can be OK, decent, but he does some mind blowingly fucktardially stupid things. Like his header in the first half, he knows their player is there he's just watched him go there, what the fuck was he thinking. There was the blunders late in the game where he lets a ball go across him to their player then gets fucked by Hoilett. Then there's being played through 1v1 (god knows that's a rarity in itself) and he just dribbles it straight into the keeper. They are just three moments amongst a few today. But there are always a few, every single game just about. The playing the ball inside on an attack with everyone up field, the wasting of every single chance to cross, the weird positional shit, the shielding a ball out that isn't going out etc etc. I get the conundrum with him, there aren't a plethora of world class RB's out there and it's like do you swallow the utter banal stupid crap he does for the bulk of OK he does. For me it's a no, but I can understand why its a conundrum. Hurry up KWP.

Dier - Decent enough

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - OK.

Mason - Joint MOTm. Typifies the spirit that's getting us hard earned victories on the road.

Bentaleb - Mason's partner in crime, a slightly cooler head but still got the scrap in him when called on.

Townsend - Very good set piece for the first goal but very wasteful on a couple of other occasions like when played in by their mistake, he could pass or at least shoot on target, instead blazing high and wide. he's very slow at chasing back and closing down too. Not his worst game of late but just doesn't do what is required with or without the ball.

Eriksen - Joint MOTM. He's still struggling with that incisive pass in crucial moments and that is a bit disappointing but despite playing 5 games in 16 days (including away in Florence and the CCup) he saw more ball than anyone in our midfield/attack, made more passes and was very unlucky not to score. Really put a shift in and his work rate and consistent level of involvement in games has been one of Pochettino's biggest successes.

Chadli - OK.

Subs - I thought the subs were all OK today,

Hmm
You mention all the things Walker did wrong in detail but neglect the things he did well, making crucial blocks and winning several aireal duels . Making a goal saving tackle when a qpr player was through on goal, putting in a great cross that kane should've finished.

Suppose you can't stop a witch hunt, until said witch is on the stake

 

[Chris12]

Hmm
You mention all the things Walker did wrong in detail but neglect the things he did well, making crucial blocks and winning several aireal duels . Making a goal saving tackle when a qpr player was through on goal, putting in a great cross that kane should've finished.

Suppose you can't stop a witch hunt, until said witch is on the stake

He isn't the only one who said he played badly who like him. Not a witchhunt just some people giving a different opinion and seeing a lot of errors that could've been very costly

 

[Mr Pink]

Scrappy Doo

I have to confess, after watching the first half I was not exactly thrilled. I thought QPR looked typically shit and we looked lethargic. We were dominating, but almost as much by default as it seemed as much part of QPR's game plan as it did ours.

But I'm going to give the team some credit here, because what the second half became was a real scrap, with QPR starting to show some teeth and what I really like about this young team is that it seems to thrive on alley scraps, which is really uncharacteristic for any Spurs team and a trait I love.

Obviously I remain slightly bemused by Townsend's selection as I just don't think he fits the system, he's lazy and wasteful and a liability without the ball. He was largely disappointing again bar a very well placed free kick for the first goal. I guess one moment of substance is an improvement but there's still too much head down waste, carelessness and laziness off the ball.

I understand why Rose was probably rested but I also think Eriksen and Bentaleb were due a rest too as that was their fifth game in 16 days I think. And I think those decisions inevitably showed. Neither let us down, in fact both had decent games but a rest would have done both some good I think, preferably wednesday.

It's easy for us to watch games like this and whinge about some of the quality (and I did), but sometimes you have to earn wins the ugly way. Our football was superior for large spells, but when we needed to we got stuck in and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied, when they tried to get up us we got right back up them harder. Typifying that spirit for me is Mason. The boy had another good game, gritty, determined, fluid and played a nice through ball for Chadli, even if Kane did end up taking it and burying it. He was ably assisted by Bentaleb, who didn't have his best game, but was still very good and showed much of the same characteristics as Mason.

The other player who deserves a mention os Eriksen. The kid has just played (tough high pressure) 5 games in 16 days but no midfielder/attacker saw more ball than him.

There wasn't much we could do about their goal really, you don't expect Sandro to score a goal like that, he never did for us. But apart from that and maybe a couple of half snifters we really limited them to fuck all, by a combination of control of the ball and our own ability to battle. It was rarely pretty, but we've been famous for losing pretty. We seem to be becoming a new animal.

Individual stuff:

Lloris - Decent game when called on. Seems to make at least one certain goal saving save a game. Baled out Walker big time.

Walker - Look, I know the boy tries, no-one puts in more effort, and he does put himself into the game and for 80 minutes of a game he can be OK, decent, but he does some mind blowingly fucktardially stupid things. Like his header in the first half, he knows their player is there he's just watched him go there, what the fuck was he thinking. There was the blunders late in the game where he lets a ball go across him to their player then gets fucked by Hoilett. Then there's being played through 1v1 (god knows that's a rarity in itself) and he just dribbles it straight into the keeper. They are just three moments amongst a few today. But there are always a few, every single game just about. The playing the ball inside to an oppo on an attack with everyone up field, the wasting of every single chance to cross, the weird positional shit, the shielding a ball out that isn't going out etc etc. I get the conundrum with him, there aren't a plethora of world class RB's out there and it's like do you swallow the utter banal stupid crap he does for the bulk of OK he does. For me it's a no, but I can understand why its a conundrum. If he was called Carlos Walkerino I'm pretty sure there'd be hardly any left with any patience for the shit he does. Hurry up KWP.

Dier - Decent enough

Vertonghen - Good game.

Davies - OK/Meh. Not as much stupid as Walker, but not much ambition either and I don't think he's a brilliant defender from what I've seen so far.

Mason - Joint MOTm. Typifies the spirit that's getting us hard earned victories on the road.

Bentaleb - Mason's partner in crime, a slightly cooler head but still got the scrap in him when called on.

Townsend - Very good set piece for the first goal but very wasteful on a couple of other occasions like when played in by their mistake, he could pass or at least shoot on target, instead blazing high and wide. he's very slow at chasing back and closing down too. Not his worst game of late but just doesn't do what is required with or without the ball.

Eriksen - Joint MOTM. He's still struggling with that incisive pass in crucial moments and that is a bit disappointing but despite playing 5 games in 16 days (including away in Florence and the CCup) he saw more ball than anyone in our midfield/attack, made more passes and was very unlucky not to score. Really put a shift in and his work rate and consistent level of involvement in games has been one of Pochettino's biggest successes.

Chadli - OK.

Subs - I thought the subs were all OK today,

Agree with the vast majority of this, bar the Walker assassination, but can you amend and add a little synopsis for Kane in the individual stuff!

 

[beats1]

Loved how Poch jumped in and protected Mason. Get a real feeling of unity with this team and it stems from our younger ones.

Also love how feisty Mason is.

I don't think thats an indication of unity but more like Poch being a mother hen, understanding that his kids are young and that he needs to protect them

 

[Blake Griffin]

How many games has Kane played for his 26 goals ?

How many league games has he started ?

he's started 18 league games scoring 16 goals, the other six substitute appearances add up to a combined 90 minutes give or take. 26 in 29(+12 sub) overall.

 

[Mr Pink]

he's started 18 league games scoring 16 goals, the other six substitute appearances add up to a combined 90 minutes give or take. 26 in 29(+12 sub) overall.

Makes me shiver some wanted Lukaku...28 million, 7 league goals. Harry only started his first game on November 9th against Stoke, and he has more than double lol.