Spurger King
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Too many
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Spurs_Bear
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I think AVB would do better with the Arsenal team than Wenger.
Bus-Conductor
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There was a moment around the 22nd minute I think when Chadli goes to press their defender, he looks round kind of half optimistically half quizzically to make sure the others are backing him up only to see the other forward players have downed tools and are ambling around nonchalantly. He just kind of shrugs and gives up.
Bus-Conductor
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You think SAF ever let his players amble around lonely as clouds ?
What's 2 wingers and 2 strikers got to do with hard work or cohesion ?
Spurger King
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Wouldn't surprise me.
Spurs_Bear
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Lottery football isn't it? That's what 442 is?
Giggs didn't work hard, don't remember much from Yorke and Cole either.
mpickard2087
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I literally couldn't care less about the performance in these sorts of games. We can batten down the hatches and defend the penalty area for 90 mins for all I care, just don't lose. Its against the many, many two-bit teams in the league that we need to get at them and steam-roller them.
I would say if/when we employ these tactics again the front two have to do a better job of getting in behind the ball and defending from the front, but putting up the brick wall in our half is fine. I'd had enough of us pushing high up the pitch in these games, trying to outplay teams and getting ripped apart.
I would say if/when we employ these tactics again the front two have to do a better job of getting in behind the ball and defending from the front, but putting up the brick wall in our half is fine. I'd had enough of us pushing high up the pitch in these games, trying to outplay teams and getting ripped apart.
mpickard2087
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Yeah.
Mr Pink
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Arsenal's problem is they won't mix it up when the situation warrants it. They have no 'in game' intelligence.
If they had any sense they would of let us have a bit more of the ball at some stage, and let us push up a bit after creating so little with so much of it, the dumb fucks.
They keep banging the same drum when sometimes that way isn't always going to work.
What they love is when an inferior side tries to take them on at playing a lovely, flowing and crisp game of football. Like we've done in the past - and got fucking creamed for it.
What they hate is teams coming to sit deep, and congesting the central areas in front of the box - where they do their damage. Worse still if you can counter well you can totally expose them. No coincidence Villa did them there last season.
If they had any sense they would of let us have a bit more of the ball at some stage, and let us push up a bit after creating so little with so much of it, the dumb fucks.
They keep banging the same drum when sometimes that way isn't always going to work.
What they love is when an inferior side tries to take them on at playing a lovely, flowing and crisp game of football. Like we've done in the past - and got fucking creamed for it.
What they hate is teams coming to sit deep, and congesting the central areas in front of the box - where they do their damage. Worse still if you can counter well you can totally expose them. No coincidence Villa did them there last season.
walworthyid
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Some strange comments in the last few pages. For the past 2 seasons Man U have turned up at WHL and just sat there. They have made no effort whatsoever to dominate the game, they have stayed compact and looked to hit us on the break. The reason for this 2 seasons ago was our ability to hit on the break, the reason for this last season was our ability to dominate possession against any team.
In both league games last season Arsenal did exactly the same thing, especially at the emirates. They had about 40% possession and made a few good chances by playing in the spaces left as we pushed forward.
Chelsea did it to the freescoring Liverpool team at anfield last season too.
It may not be the way we want to play, but success is about points and points are gained by not losing.
With a bit more quality yesterday we could have won, would that have been the case if we ha tried to dominate them?
I'm much happier today having played ok and got a point than if we had played well and lost by 2 or 3 goals. We now go up to the Etihad with a game plan, which Stoke beat them with, and some confidence.
In both league games last season Arsenal did exactly the same thing, especially at the emirates. They had about 40% possession and made a few good chances by playing in the spaces left as we pushed forward.
Chelsea did it to the freescoring Liverpool team at anfield last season too.
It may not be the way we want to play, but success is about points and points are gained by not losing.
With a bit more quality yesterday we could have won, would that have been the case if we ha tried to dominate them?
I'm much happier today having played ok and got a point than if we had played well and lost by 2 or 3 goals. We now go up to the Etihad with a game plan, which Stoke beat them with, and some confidence.
mpickard2087
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Without Giroud currently they are quite easy to play against. Play compact and force them out wide, and they have no real option to put the ball in the box to especially in the air (Welbeck isn't great). They had to keep going for low crosses which are exceptionally difficult in a packed space and our centrebacks did a good job of stopping at the front post.
walworthyid
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It's funny, watching the game yesterday, and every other game he plays frankly, reminds of just how poor Wellbeck is. Yeh he runs around, yeh he has loads of touches of the ball, but he is genuinely no better than the likes of Frasier Campbell or Dwight Gayle! Also watched the Merseyside derby and another player some on here wanted in Balotelli, yet again he didn't impress me. Dives around, sulks, has a shot, has a jog, moans some more.
Both went for similar money, £16 million or so, I reckon we wouldn't get much less for Kane. There is a reason for that!
Both average, glad we never got either of them!
Both went for similar money, £16 million or so, I reckon we wouldn't get much less for Kane. There is a reason for that!
Both average, glad we never got either of them!
guiltyparty
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Blimey, is this still going on?
jonathanhotspur
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You said we were scared against Liverpool and I agree and I am saying that that fear of big sides was in evidence again. We were very poor at playing out from the back yesterday and I believe that that was the result of fear. It wasn't until Ade's chance after the 38th minute that we showed any real belief. In the 42nd minute, a graphic appeared on the screen which said that we had had 69% possession in the previous 5 minutes. Where were we going with 69% possession in that five minute spell if we didn't want the ball?
Arsenal could have been 1-0 up after 5 minutes if Ramsey had squared for Wilshere instead of taking the shot on. I mean, we could play that game all day long.
iluvsteffenfreund
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I read an interesting article from Ricky lambert not so long ago about how much of an influence poch had on him. It was a great read and the jist of it was poch telling him not to waste his energy... He said choose your runs wisely, make a run when u know the likes of Lallana has it and is in a good position but if the centre half has it don't bust a gut just conserve your energy. He said this was one of the reasons he scored the goals he did and became a better and smarter player! Has he had the same chat with ADE ? Poch definitely told the players not to press until arsenal got in our half last night. So it was all part of the plan
guiltyparty
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And everyone seems to have forgotten Ozil whacking it straight at Lloris from about five yards out after the best move of the game, when they cut through us with ease.
Some serious rose tints on in here
Mr Pink
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Mate that's just not correct, honestly.
i think there was a fear against Liverpool in particular. They beat us 9-0 on aggregate last season after all. City beat us 11-1 on aggregate. It was those sides I was referring more to in terms of any sort of psychological damage.
Arsenal had beaten us 1-0 home and away. Just a tad different. I think we feared Liverpool and froze so to speak. Yesterday was a clear game plan.
It was also nothing to do with fear that resulted in some sloppy moments on the counter. It was just poor execution - and decision making.
You're seriously not implying that if you have an approach to sit deep and defend and counter that there's never a time in the game that you won't have a brief spell of pressure of some kind? Which we did five minutes before half time. We put some pressure on them and had a few corners as well I think.
As for Arsenal's chances, no they wern't as good. I've watched the game twice now and nothing's going to change my mind on that.
jonathanhotspur
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It even happened in the very first minute. He went to press high up and looked back to see if everyone else was following suit (43 seconds in) but the cavalry were quaking in their boots on the halfway line.
I think you are thinking of Capoue and it's the very same passage of play I mentioned a few posts back.
Is the plan for Cabbage Head not to bust a gut in either direction, then?
Yes, but we should have been winning 5-0 by then.
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Bus-Conductor
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That's an interesting theory but it's total nonsense. ManU had 60% of the possession against us last season.
Seems AVB could do tactical pragmatism after all eh ? @Blake Griffin
Even the season before it was 51/49. Hardly supports them just turning up and sitting there. Which they didn't.
jezz
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Okay then
