Ratings vs Arsenal

[Jamturk]

So not by design or indeed, bang on:

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.

WTF is wrong with these players, its not rocket science or even that hard to close down a player in your area of the pitch.

If how we got our goal doesn't make the penny drop nothing will with these players

 

[Mr Pink]

So not by design or indeed, bang on:

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.

According to who? The author of this article?

Anyway it doesn't matter a jot. Even if Eriksen had been specifically tasked with getting in the face of Arteta to disrupt their passing, doesn't mean we still wern't maintaining a deeper and more compact shape for the most part.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

They did mate. They hardly did anything an we were all over them second half an Dempsey scored an equaliser in injury time. Take a look at the territorial advantage in that game. Everybody on here said it after the game as did the pundits an that goes for both games.

I don't care what anyone said, ManU's performance here last year and the year before was tactically and in implementation nothing like our performance at Arsenal saturday. ManU have never come here and just let us walz around with the ball all day long until we get to their box.

They had 60% of the ball we had 30% at Arsenal. Tactically there is no way that is the same game plan, or at least the same implementation of the same game plan.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

According to who? The author of this article?

Anyway it doesn't matter a jot. Even if Eriksen had been specifically tasked with getting in the face of Arteta to disrupt their passing, doesn't mean we still wern't maintaining a deeper and more compact shape for the most part.

You called it a good article in the Eriksen thread ?

This is what pissed me off about that performance and what I said in my OP and what I was continually saying in this thread but you wouldn't have it, choosing to believe BG's assessment that Pochettino - Mr Press himself - would be wanting to let Arsenal just canter through to our defensive line, pulling Capoue and Mason all over the place or insisting it was about the possession.

Just because you defend deeper doesn't mean you give the opposition a free run at your midfield/defence. This is just laughable.

No manager worth a wank says to his entire front 4 (or at least 3 of them) "don't you guys worry about pressing and closing down" You just save your energy for two times your going to touch the ball in their half"


That article has made me feel a shit load better because at least I know - from Eriksen's quotes as well as Pochettino's - that this shit is being worked on and players are being left in no doubt about what their responsibilities are.

 

[walworthyid]

I don't care what anyone said, ManU's performance here last year and the year before was tactically and in implementation nothing like our performance at Arsenal saturday. ManU have never come here and just let us walz around with the ball all day long until we get to their box.

They had 60% of the ball we had 30% at Arsenal. Tactically there is no way that is the same game plan, or at least the same implementation of the same game plan.

Man U are a better side than us with better players and they are better at playing on the break. And what about Arsenal at the emirates last season?

I'm not arguing that we were great or anything but we were compact and for the most part we restricted them to very little.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Man U are a better side than us with better players and they are better at playing on the break. And what about Arsenal at the emirates last season?

I'm not arguing that we were great or anything but we were compact and for the most part we restricted them to very little.

We were only compact once they'd pinned us at our penalty box. Everywhere else we were flimsy and fucking flappy.

 

[Mr Pink]

That's not the point and you know it. And this is what pissed me off about that performance and what I said in my OP and what I was continually saying in this thread but you wouldn't have it, choosing to believe BG's assessment that Pochettino - Mr Press himself - would be wanting to let Arsenal just canter through to our defensive line, pulling Capoue and Mason all over the place.

Just because you defend deeper doesn't mean you give the opposition a free run at your midfield/defence. This is just laughable.

No manager worth a wank says to his entire front 4 (or at least 3 of them) "don't you guys worry about pressing and closing down" You just save your energy for two times your going to touch the ball in their half"


That article has made me feel a shit load better because at least I know - from Eriksen's quotes as well as Pochettino's - that this shit is being worked on and players are being left in no doubt about what their responsibilities are.

What quotes? Where are Eriksen's and Pochettino's quotes with direct reference to the game on Saturday night?

To be honest I thought your assessment was way too harsh and you're doing everything you can, determined as ever not to concede an inch if someone dares to disagree, to prove as such - like waiting for any little crumb to give your point of view support and then twisting/presenting it as if its practically conclusive.

Its not about giving them a free run, it was about making it difficult for them. And that requires clogging up the middle and staying relatively deep.

I think we could of got closed them down better in the second half, but they still found it difficult to break us down really.

Anyway, its a complete exaggeration, distortion in fact, to label it piss poor. Nobody in the fucking country would label it as such.

But you carry on praising a 1-0 defeat, where we won the possession, but created next to nothing.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

What quotes? Where are Eriksen's and Pochettino's quotes with direct reference to the game on Saturday night?

To be honest I thought your assessment was way too harsh and you're doing everything you can, determined as ever not to concede an inch if someone dares to disagree, to prove as such - like waiting for any little crumb to give your point of view support and then twisting/presenting it as if its practically conclusive.

Its not about giving them a free run, it was about making it difficult for them. And that requires clogging up the middle and staying relatively deep.

I think we could of got closed them down better in the second half, but they still found it difficult to break us down really.

Anyway, its a complete exaggeration, distortion in fact, to label it piss poor. Nobody in the fucking country would label it as such.

Bt you called that a good article in the Eriksen thread ?

 

[Mr Pink]

Bt you called that a good article in the Eriksen thread ?

In the context that Eriksen is a bit of a free spirit and it might take some time to instill a more hard working and disciplined side to his game, hence his sluggish start to the season.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

In the context that Eriksen is a bit of a free spirit and it might take some time to instill a more hard working and disciplined side to his game, hence his sluggish start to the season.

I think you could just admit you/BG might be wrong on this one. I'll respect you more in the morning.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think you could just admit you/BG might be wrong on this one. I'll respect you more in the morning.

Me, BG and the majority of this forum.

The only person losing their shit on here after the game was you lol.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Me, BG and the majority of this forum.

The only person losing their shit on here after the game was you lol.

Me, @jonathanhotspur and Pochettino to be precise.

And on this occasion we are Michael Caine, Stanley Baker and Jack Hawkins and you, BG and the rest of SC are the fucking Zulus and the tactical analysis of the Arsenal v Spurs game is Rorke's Drift.

 

[Mr Pink]

Me, @jonathanhotspur and Pochettino to be precise.

And on this occasion we are Michael Caine, Stanley Baker and Jack Hawkins and you, BG and the rest of SC are the fucking Zulus and the tactical analysis of the Arsenal v Spurs game is Rorke's Drift.

Nah, Pochettino hasn't said anything of the sort in relation to the game on Saturday night. Stop inventing stuff.

 

[sloth]

I doubt Poch sent us out to defend deep and hit them on the break, he never asked Southampton to play that way even when away at places like Old Trafford, he wants to defend from the front, he wants to create the kind of situation which led to our goal. Once on the back-foot though, and with elements of the front four letting us down, he'll have been pleased with how the rest of the side adapted, and will have worked on playing with that kind of discipline and also trying to break quickly from the back. He'll have been delighted that the team could go into a plan B mode like they did.

Anyway, as I said, the thing which led us down was Ade, and to lesser extent Eriksen, but also the entire front four in terms of working as a unit. His task, which is a hard one, is to change the mentality of these players, to make them be self-starters, to get them to work when they're up against it, as well as when they're on top, and that kind of job is going to take more than a month or two, maybe even more than a year, and along the way he'll have to make a decision on whether it's worth getting rid of one or two and getting in ready made replacements instead.

 

[Spurger King]

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I think you could just admit you/BG might be wrong on this one. I'll respect you more in the morning.

Says the most stubborn member on SC ever

Let's face it BC, you think you're some sort of God of tactical knowledge, but you are really not that great...

 

[Mr Pink]

I doubt Poch sent us out to defend deep and hit them on the break, he never asked Southampton to play that way even when away at places like Old Trafford, he wants to defend from the front, he wants to create the kind of situation which led to our goal. Once on the back-foot though, and with elements of the front four letting us down, he'll have been pleased with how the rest of the side adapted, and will have worked on playing with that kind of discipline and also trying to break quickly from the back. He'll have been delighted that the team could go into a plan B mode like they did.

Anyway, as I said, the thing which led us down was Ade, and to lesser extent Eriksen, but also the entire front four in terms of working as a unit. His task, which is a hard one, is to change the mentality of these players, to make them be self-starters, to get them to work when they're up against it, as well as when they're on top, and that kind of job is going to take more than a month or two, maybe even more than a year, and along the way he'll have to make a decision on whether it's worth getting rid of one or two and getting in ready made replacements instead.

The difference with Southampton was they responded immediately to what he wanted and it was evident quickly that they were adapting to such on the pitch. With us its been glimpses at best so far. We'll improve, but like you say, it will take time to change mindsets.

I think there was a definite game plan to sit deeper and hit them on the break and given our struggles of late to implement what he wants I don't think its too far fetched at all to suggest it, as it was a NLD. To me it was obvious we were congesting those central areas in front of our box.

Had we tried to do the usual, which has been failing quite miserably to enforce his high pressing, we would of got caned.

I know we did it once and got it right for the goal, but attempting to play that way, and poorly, would of been a recipe for disaster. I think Poch recognised this and altered the approach for this game. He was also hinting that this game was different, given the emotion, in the press conference in the build up and I had a feeling he was going to try something a bit different for it.

Ironically it was Kaboul initiated the high press for the goal when he had been up for the free kick we had just before it.

I know Eriksen nicked it off Flamini, but he responded to Kaboul pressing Chambers first.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

So not by design or indeed, bang on:

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.

In fairness, I don't remember Arteta being in his own half that much, due to how deep we were sitting.

And the quality of that article is garbage to say the least, don't wet your pants quite yet.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The difference with Southampton was they responded immediately to what he wanted and it was evident quickly that they were adapting to such on the pitch. With us its been glimpses at best so far. We'll improve, but like you say, it will take time to change mindsets.

I think there was a definite game plan to sit deeper and hit them on the break and given our struggles of late to implement what he wants I don't think its too far fetched at all to suggest it, as it was a NLD. To me it was obvious we were congesting those central areas in front of our box.

Had we tried to do the usual, which has been failing quite miserably to enforce his high pressing, we would of got caned.

I know we did it once and got it right for the goal, but attempting to play that way, and poorly, would of been a recipe for disaster. I think Poch recognised this and altered the approach for this game. He was also hinting that this game was different, given the emotion, in the press conference in the build up and I had a feeling he was going to try something a bit different for it.

Ironically it was Kaboul initiated the high press for the goal when he had been up for the free kick we had just before it.

I know Eriksen nicked it off Flamini, but he responded to Kaboul pressing Chambers first.

That isn't even the issue. It doesn't matter where he wanted us to sit. The issue was how well we implemented his instructions, and the truth is, it was a fucking shambles. The front four just stood around and watched as Arsenal brought the ball forward into our third, stretching Capoue and Mason all over the place and meaning we rarely won the ball until it was on our 18 yard line, which meant breaking was virtually impossible, which is why it rarely happened.

Wherever you think he wanted our defensive line, and I'm pretty sure he didn't want it on our 6yard line, I guarantee you the way we implemented it was not how he wanted it, no fucker would. It was pathetic. It wasn't a plan it was 3 guys on holiday and 8 guys shitting themselves. You could see he wast happy every time the camera panned on him.

Wenger got his tactics all wrong, then lost his two CM's including probably his most dangerous player, Ramsey. He had Ozil out of position, Ox-Ch the dynamic dimwit, Fag-ash Wilshere as No.10, and Welbeck. Frankly it was like watching the slightly more luxurious version of us against most shit teams at WHL. Except they are usually better organised.

 

[Mr Pink]

That isn't even the issue. It doesn't matter where he wanted us to sit. The issue was how well we implemented his instructions, and the truth is, it was a fucking shambles. The front four just stood around and watched as Arsenal brought the ball forward into our third, stretching Capoue and Mason all over the place and meaning we rarely won the ball until it was on our 18 yard line, which meant breaking was virtually impossible, which is why it rarely happened.

Wherever you think he wanted our defensive line, and I'm pretty sure he didn't want it on our 6yard line, I guarantee you the way we implemented it was not how he wanted it, no fucker would. It was pathetic. It wasn't a plan it was 3 guys on holiday and 8 guys shitting themselves. You could see he wast happy every time the camera panned on him.

Wenger got his tactics all wrong, then lost his two CM's including probably his most dangerous player, Ramsey. He had Ozil out of position, Ox-Ch the dynamic dimwit, Fag-ash Wilshere as No.10, and Welbeck. Frankly it was like watching the slightly more luxurious version of us against most shit teams at WHL. Except they are usually better organised.

You love to exaggerate things for affect don't you.

The net result was anything but a shambles. They had 70% of the ball and we had the better clear cut chances, that's the long and short of it.

They struggled to play through us, that's just a fact. Stop debating the minutia and accept the fact that sometimes sitting a bit deeper, be it by design or not, can frustrate Arsenal and quick counter attacks can expose them.

We can go round and circles all day on this as to whether it was by design or not but answer me one question - did we have better clear cut openings in this game or last season's corresponding fixture? A simple answer, which game?