Man City v Spurs: Do they know it's match thread time at all

St José Dominguez · Dec 16, 2017

One of many puzzling tactical decisions from today is we had more defensive cover against Brightons left midfielder by playing Sissoko RCM with Aurier than we did against the best left winger in the league. Trippier was awful from the first minute but Poch did nothing the whole game to help him out. Tell Son or Dele or anyone to help him. Was getting destroyed more and more and still nothing, madness.

Archibald&Crooks · Dec 16, 2017

Anyone who’s interested, there’s a documentary about WHL on BT Sport1 just started

Streetspur77 · Dec 16, 2017

Gaz_Gammon said:
Dele though very young appears to be a one season wonder and awash in his own self importance and headlines.

In fairness to Dier he wouldn't be on the pitch if Toby, Sanchez and Wanyama were all available.

I lost faith in Dier last season at Liverpool to influence this team. Good squad player though.

A one season wonder who's done it for multiple seasons.... interesting

ILS · Dec 16, 2017

chinaman said:
I think we should put this defeat in proper perspective. While Shitty fielded their best 11, we were forced to play a much weakened defence, particularly when we have no one to attack the ball like Toby and Sanchez. Our 2 CBs today tend to stand off a little and without a beastly tackler in front of them, the Shitty forwards have things all their way.

There has been criticism of Rose which I find totally unfair as aside from the left side of the defence, he also had to come inside to cover the centre. In fact he made at least 3 very excellent blocks without which, we could have found ourselves even in worse straits. Surely he ran out of gas in the last 15-20 minutes, but that is excusable as he is still a bit off total match fitness after being off injured for so long.

I'm sure Stones, Kompany, Mendy and Silva would be in their best 11 but don't let truth get in the way of a good point!!

St José Dominguez · Dec 16, 2017

SEANSPURS1975 said:
With our wages/transfer budget we our roughly where Levy expects us to be. 6th or 7th. Any higher it's a bonus. He knows we can't win the league. We shouldnt really be top four. How long does he expect us to punch above our weight? How long can we rely on Pochettino getting more out of this squad? How long can we expect to compete without buying players to improve our first team? How long can we compete by selling our best players to direct rivals? How long before another player leaves for more money?
The simple fact is we are roughly where we should be and that's still very hard to take.
Just can't get over what I've seen tonight though, we looked completely out of our depth. The players looked lost. Pochettino looked lost. Still didn't think our team had that performance in them. I was embarrassed watching that tonight. No quality, no passion, no fight, nothing.
Hope they all feel like shit tonight because they've all let the club and the fans down.

Never really understand that excuse, because surely you could have the best players on the planet but if pay them small wages then you would still be 6th in budget placing but you'd not agree that's where they should be in the league.
Whether they're happy or not pretty much all the team know and should be earning way more money comparatively. We're a top 4 team quality wise, the wage budget placing is irrelevant. Problem is how much longer can we get away with it.

ardiles · Dec 16, 2017

JAYSTAR said:
The tactics were shocking. Poch has to take some responsibility. Why were they passing the ball around with Dier, Lloris and Verts?! Totally ridiculous. Playing Alli when he is doing absolutely nothing is also completely stupid. He should have been subbed at 60 minutes at the latest. Lamela is a much better option right now. We are playing with 9 or at best 10 players and a weak defence. Without Toby Sanchez and Wanyama, we need to change our strategy. In my honest opinion we should have played long ball.

Fully agree on this point. This isn't the first time that they have done this. We have seen on several occasions previously, that Lloris does tend to panic (when the ball is at his feet) when under pressure from the opposition and have ended up kicking the ball out of play or either he or one of our defenders losing possession. If we have to lose possession, I'd rather if we do it in the opponent's half (by booting the ball up) instead of losing it in any area near our goal. This is a risky game that Lloris and our defence have played on too many occasions.

Matrix · Dec 16, 2017

Have to say Dier is not a top class defender at all. Far too many lapses in concentration. It not secret we have been leaking goals since he’s been in defense. Mentally I think he thinks he’s still in midfield. We need another defender so we can put him back in midfield.

SEANSPURS1975 · Dec 16, 2017

chinaman said:
I think we should put this defeat in proper perspective. While Shitty fielded their best 11, we were forced to play a much weakened defence, particularly when we have no one to attack the ball like Toby and Sanchez. Our 2 CBs today tend to stand off a little and without a beastly tackler in front of them, the Shitty forwards have things all their way.

There has been criticism of Rose which I find totally unfair as aside from the left side of the defence, he also had to come inside to cover the centre. In fact he made at least 3 very excellent blocks without which, we could have found ourselves even in worse straits. Surely he ran out of gas in the last 15-20 minutes, but that is excusable as he is still a bit off total match fitness after being off injured for so long.

They didn't have their best team. They were missing Kompany/Stones, Mendy and David Silva. Half of their defence was Mangala and Delph at Left Back and we still couldn't get anywhere near them

Sweetsman · Dec 16, 2017

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Yep. You would find more rational opinions watching Arsenal TV

I think that's a bit of a stretch, but a close run thing.

TURKISH69 · Dec 16, 2017

SEANSPURS1975 said:
With our wages/transfer budget we our roughly where Levy expects us to be. 6th or 7th. Any higher it's a bonus. He knows we can't win the league. We shouldnt really be top four. How long does he expect us to punch above our weight? How long can we rely on Pochettino getting more out of this squad? How long can we expect to compete without buying players to improve our first team? How long can we compete by selling our best players to direct rivals? How long before another player leaves for more money?
The simple fact is we are roughly where we should be and that's still very hard to take.
Just can't get over what I've seen tonight though, we looked completely out of our depth. The players looked lost. Pochettino looked lost. Still didn't think our team had that performance in them. I was embarrassed watching that tonight. No quality, no passion, no fight, nothing.
Hope they all feel like shit tonight because they've all let the club and the fans down.

As I said to the Spurs fans watching the game I fear and hope not but I think Poch has taken this group of players as far as he can. And to be fair a majority Agee. 3rd then 2nd to god knows where we will finish this season. But instead of pushing on and strengthening. Levy was more concerned about filling his slimy little pockets with season ticket sales.at Wembley. Having none Tottenham supporters in Wembley making for an absolute shite atmosphere. Please it's just all about the money with Levy. Then for him to come out and say in the Spurs forum chat last Monday answering a question about Bale, and saying there's a good chance we could get Bale. Please just fuck off Levy paying Bale £250 p/w minimum please just do one Levy I cannot wait till you do one from our club your like a politician tell us what you want us to believe and never the truth.

shelfboy68 · Dec 16, 2017

TheChosenOne said:
Any news on dressing room punch-ups yet ... Or did we sneak out and hide on the bus ?

Hid on the bus same as what we did out on the pitch.

Everlasting Seconds · Dec 16, 2017

Not a bad match really. Highly interesting, most of it. I thought the ref was against us, clearly not up to the task of handling a home team of international stars. That might have edged it. I also though that if it wasn't for our lack of luck, we might have been luckier and not been so unlucky. So I urge you to a little perspective, if we had created more goals, we would have won this easily!

St José Dominguez · Dec 16, 2017

ardiles said:
Fully agree on this point. This isn't the first time that they have done this. We have seen on several occasions previously, that Lloris does tend to panic (when the ball is at his feet) when under pressure from the opposition and have ended up kicking the ball out of play or either he or one of our defenders losing possession. If we have to lose possession, I'd rather if we do it in the opponent's half (by booting the ball up) instead of losing it in any area near our goal. This is a risky game that Lloris and our defence have played on too many occasions.

Not only is it not the first time it is near on constant, which gets more frequent when we're being pushed back. It's a tactic obviously but when does it ever work? I understand retaining possession but we're clearly not doing it right because all that happens is Lloris boots it out for a throw in, over hits a looped pass to opposite full back or one of our defenders get flustered and smack it down the line. Lloris is not very good with his feet. We've got Kane up front not a midget, is it that bad a thing just to knock it long and see if he can knock it down to Son or Dele.

TURKISH69 · Dec 16, 2017

Archibald&Crooks said:
Anyone who’s interested, there’s a documentary about WHL on BT Sport1 just started

When they show the interest in us I will them ram it.

StartingPrice · Dec 16, 2017

TheChosenOne said:
Heart on sleeve there SP. Well said.

Cheers Goode Pard'Ner.

I don't know, maybe they feel they have to do it because they fear I may be running around covered in peanut butter cheering wildly because my team has just surrendered abjectly

Maybe it makes them feel better. Some folk beg the missus for some angry sex, kick the cat, or knock one out while watching their VHS of Tony Blair's best Labour Party Conference speeches (yes, I'm afraid such horrid things do happen in this frightening world of ours) :cautious:

shelfboy68 · Dec 16, 2017

TURKISH69 said:
Under Levy and Lewis that will not happen they are all about not paying the wages and making massive profit . Look back when we get in Europe, when get in champions league , when we get in new stadium what I'm saying is it's always an excuse why they don't buy top players and pay the wages. Because they want to make profit and not ambition. That is just my opinion I just hope when the stadium is built. The Enic regime sell the club to someone who wants Tottenham Hotspur to compete with the top clubs and have ambition to win trophies. Proof of that is our aweful wage structure is but there excuse is the new stadium etc always an excuse. Thirty million wasted on Sissoko that could of pay top dollar to players who deserve it I.e Kane , Toby!! I fear for us going in to the new stadium.

Nothing is going to change mate so don't pin your hopes on the new stadium transforming us into a team that can challenge city, Utd or Chelsea as it won't happen.
Yes hopefully enic sell up but what if they don't then we are stuck in the cycle we are in now of the fat boy looking through the window of the sweet shop wishing he could have it all.
Look at their bench Silva comes on as third sub we couldn't afford him as a first teamer that there is the disparity alone let alone the petro dollar owners who blow ours out of the water.

diamondlight · Dec 16, 2017

spursfan77 said:
I knew we'd line up like against Stoke. It was obvious. Poch needs to have a rethink in these big games away from home. There's no shame going there looking for a draw and not a win. Especially not today.

Can I caveat that with I hate I've written that because I want to win every game.

By 'caveat' you mean 'contradict'.

dondo · Dec 16, 2017

SEANSPURS1975 said:
Hope so. Then maybe we'll have owners that actually want to win trophies.

Enic have been fantastic but I do believe that they have taken us about as far as they can.
We are the perfect club for very rich investors, great training facilities, great fan base, amazing new ground being built. With big investment we could be a top team in Europe for decades

ardiles · Dec 16, 2017

Wheeler Dealer said:
Disagree.. Winks was a little boy lost today. Contributed fuck all

I'm not disagreeing with you that he had a poor game today but I think that it could partly be because of the number of games that he has played this season as well as the possibility that he has not fully recovered from his recent bout of illness.

He is not a poor player per se as he has shown, in previous games, to have the potential to be a very good player in the coming seasons.

dondo · Dec 16, 2017

Archibald&Crooks said:
We win and we get a 30 page thread, nobody is interested. We lose and look at it.........

I get why people are so vexed now.

It isn't us losing at all. It's having to stay on SC all evening to vent

Where as you go the the cricket thread to vent

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