Attacking purchases under Poch
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daryl hannah
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JUSTINSIGNAL
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He wasn't SHIT, he was still adjusting to the league and culture, like many players who come from foreign leagues. In fact, he actually made quite a bright start before his season was curtailed with niggling injuries.
I'm not sure where you are getting the loan stuff from. From what I know Son wanted to leave and sign for Wolfsburg permanently before Poch convinced him he was going to get more chances in his second season.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ul-tottenham-hotspur-refused-to-let-him-leav/
daryl hannah
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That's right - wolfsburg.
It was Lamela who was going to be loaned out, wasn't it?
Point remains it took Son a season to get up to speed, so the signing wasn't particularly astute at the time in my humble. First touch and control was abysmal. Easy to look back with rose tinted glasses now he's come out shining.
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I really think it's now become a case where we don't need to be scattergunning the globe for young talent. Put that scattergun gamble aimed straight into our own training ground at our young academy players! They've proven now, to me anyway, to be as much of a safe bet as any randomer we might bring in, if not more so! Give them a chance.
Do I think we can attract the established world class stars even when we enter the new stadium? No. But what I do think we can do is attract the genuine top top tier of young talent (I'm talking Pulisic, Martins, Sessegnon, Malcom, Fekir, Inaki Williams), the ones that think "Hey look, Spurs have got this amazing training ground, Incredible new stadium, great group of young players that I will fit in with and a great manager, this would be the perfect step up for me.."
If you're a young and upcoming player we are the genuine ideal place to be. So let's stop fucking around with N'koudou's, Stambouli's, N'jie's etc (N'koudou I don't think is that bad tbf for the record) and dreams of Bale and let's actually properly be aggressive to get the very best of players that we can actually realistically attract.
That's the most frustrating thing for me. I'm not one of those that loves a signing, but we really do act small time in the transfer market. We literally just need to say to Poch "Okay gaffer.. we can't quite sign the Bale's, Robben's, Hazard's or Sanchez's but give us a list of young players you would love to have and we'll go out and give 100% to sign them for you". We need 1 or 2 players to complete this squad, we really just need to be aggressive about it quickly or what we already have could start to disintegrate and that's my biggest worry. It really raises a red flag when you have your manager visibly frustrated when discussing the transfer market in an interview. We need to do more to keep him happy!
Do I think we can attract the established world class stars even when we enter the new stadium? No. But what I do think we can do is attract the genuine top top tier of young talent (I'm talking Pulisic, Martins, Sessegnon, Malcom, Fekir, Inaki Williams), the ones that think "Hey look, Spurs have got this amazing training ground, Incredible new stadium, great group of young players that I will fit in with and a great manager, this would be the perfect step up for me.."
If you're a young and upcoming player we are the genuine ideal place to be. So let's stop fucking around with N'koudou's, Stambouli's, N'jie's etc (N'koudou I don't think is that bad tbf for the record) and dreams of Bale and let's actually properly be aggressive to get the very best of players that we can actually realistically attract.
That's the most frustrating thing for me. I'm not one of those that loves a signing, but we really do act small time in the transfer market. We literally just need to say to Poch "Okay gaffer.. we can't quite sign the Bale's, Robben's, Hazard's or Sanchez's but give us a list of young players you would love to have and we'll go out and give 100% to sign them for you". We need 1 or 2 players to complete this squad, we really just need to be aggressive about it quickly or what we already have could start to disintegrate and that's my biggest worry. It really raises a red flag when you have your manager visibly frustrated when discussing the transfer market in an interview. We need to do more to keep him happy!
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So even if an attacking purchase made by Poch ends up being a great player after one season, he still gets no credit and it doesn't count?
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Although I tend to agree... Where do you think this will get us? Will we improve and push forward as a club or will we carry on being a stepping stone for these young players to move on to other clubs and win trophies?
How would you feel if we kept Poch and continued signing young talent but failed to win a trophy or even make top 4? Surely players like Kane would look around and want to see some winners in the team not just youth with potential.
The point I'm making is we are building a stadium at a great cost so buying young talent might be the only way for us at the moment, But 5-10 years into the new stadium if we still cant attract top players or keep top players the unrest from our fans will reach peak levels.
Is perfectly fine to sign young exciting prospects like Sessegnon but we also need to sign established players who can take us to the next level and show our current senior players we are constantly improving and moving in the right direction.
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No rose tinted glases here. Just the acceptance that players coming from foreign leagues sometimes have difficulty adapting in their first seasons. It's a pretty well known fact. I'm not sure why you expect anything different. Especially as we weren't buying a certified world class player at the top of their game. Son is a young player with huge potential who needed some coaching. That's the market we shop in. If we followed your logic he would be banging in goals for someone else now and you would be moaning about how Poch didn't have the coaching ability to help him realise his potential.
daryl hannah
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I love poch and willing to give him a good 4 or 5 years to get the SPurs project maturing.
His success rate for developing players has been good.
While his hit rate for (overseeing?) the signing of attacking players however, is very poor.
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If we lose the likes of Toby because we're still waiting for "jam tomorrow" from the latest no mark winger we've signed we'll never win anything. Strengthen when strong is the mantra other top teams go by. We've failed the last two summers to bring in quality attackers. Whether that's down to Poch, the transfer committee, or our scouts is a who knows... but what I do know is that Walker's left us. Who's next?
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5-10 years down the line these players will be gone. The players I listed would improve without doubt IMO. We can't sign world class players right now so I'm stating the best alternative and we need to get it done ASAP. IMO all those players are on the cusp and have the talent to become world class and isn't that Poch's best skill, getting the best out of players and polishing them. It's time we gave him the smaller true diamond's to polish and let them grow into large ones rather than asking him to polish turds lol obviously I'm using analogy's but do you see my point?
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of course, but to improve on last season and if we really want to push on and challenge for the league/trophies we need to buy these young players who are on cusp but also need to sign players who have the experience and winning mentality. Its a fine line..
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Which begs the question 'did we really sign Sissoko and sign him up to £95k/week on the back of the Euros?'
Flobadob
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Obviously you are more ITK than I am. Would you say there is a chance of us actually going out and getting the type of world class player you say we need? Because I just can't see it. I'd much rather we signed players like Pulisic, Martins, Sessegnon etc who I'm 99% confident Poch could turn into superstars than waste our time trying to sign a Bale, who tbh isn't even top of my list due to his current injury status. I'd personally rather sign those young guns anyway tbh but that's just my opinion.
I think the signings of Sanchez and Foyth in the summer were superb business. But Sanchez and Foyth to quite a lesser extent were already well known and Foyth was chased by PSG so it shows the level they are at and their potential. We need to sign that level of young talent in the attacking positions too and if it costs 40-50 million like Sanchez did (likely more for attacking positions) and Poch is desperate for them then so be it because we really do only need 1 or 2 players to be a true force
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Breezer, genuine question as you have a better inside track than most of us, but do you think we are capable of affording both types of player?
I look at Levy's business in the transfer market and, barring Davinson Sanchez and the odd 'end of contract' special, it tells a story that so many fans seem to ignore when it comes to speculating on transfers.
To me it is clear that we just cannot compete financially. For the top players, forget it. For the next level down we aren't offering enough to encourage club, agent and player to decide to move now.
So instead they wait it out another season to try to get that massive contract at one of the money clubs.
So, what do we do?
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Breezer
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Spurs are building the new stadium to enable us to grow financially and be able to compete with some of the top teams. Will we ever pay crazy money like Man City? No. However players like Ozil and Sanchez who cost Ars £50-60m should be attainable. These are the types of players who have won most trophies and add experience to a team.
Would you guys be happy to only buy young players with potential once the new stadium is completed knowing we have a greater financial backing or would you want the club to invest in proven players?
would like to see the bulk of the team and squad be a combo of the young players we develop (Harry x 2) and buy + develop (Dele, Dier)....then we can bring in 1-2 more experienced players as needed still with the right profile (Toby).
BUT the key is that the increased money should allow for retention of everyone we want to hold (see Toby again) or selling on our terms (Modric).
Johnny J
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Problem is that the market has gone crazy and established stars like Ozil and Sanchez would cost a lot more.
punkisback
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Mane before Saints and Richarlison were definitely gettable, we need to get them before they go to the likes of Dortmund or Saints.
Breezer
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Yes they would... But if teams like Liverpool or Ars buy these types of players and we choose not to after building the new stadium, I'll guarantee our fans will not be happy.
