Man City v Spurs: Do they know it's match thread time at all

Deleted member 27995 · Dec 17, 2017

Ionman34 said:
I agree, but it still needs to be said.

We lost and we lost badly. I read BC’s ratings post and really couldn’t agree more, this one was on Poch for not taking the pragmatic approach that worked for us against the likes of Real, Dortmund and Liverpool, though City showed against Utd that even that approach is far from guaranteed.

Strange how no other top 6 team, other than the goons, has “fans” calling for a change in ownership after every poor performance. Again it’s noticeable that it only occurs on here after a heavy defeat.

But there’s no agenda apparently...

Oh I agree 100% everyone has that right to air their view, good, bad or indifferent. It would fly in the face of everything a sports message board represents.

It's just you get to see those who are here and ready to have a debate win, lose or draw and those that only appear after a defeat such as yesterdays, as you say, apparently there is no agenda ...

slartibartfast · Dec 17, 2017

Can't believe some of the utter shite being spouted on here.
Some of these people seriously need to fk off and follow someone else imo. I wont call them supporters because I see very little support for this club from them.
We just went up against the most expensive squad ever assembled in English football,
away from home.
They're on an unbeaten run and setting a new record.
We have 2 of our back 3 missing and one of the best defensive midfielders in the EPL also missing.
And surprisingly we lost??
In a season where we are playing away at Wembley for our home games and have had long term injuries to key players we've still managed to beat Real Madrid good and proper, same with Dortmund and topped our CL group which looked an impossible task after the draw, we battered Liverpool, which I went to and was a fantastic game, and we were still, until yesterday, in the top 4.
And yet we lose to this team of superstars and these pricks start screaming Pochs useless, players are useless, ENIC are useless, our philosophy is wrong, blah blah blah.
You people need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
We are not a mega rich club like City or Chelsea or Utd.
We are Tottenham Hotspur.
We will have highs and lows and we will do things the right way.
If you can't handle it when we lose a game then stop following the team and follow a money bags club.
We lost away to Man City ffs not bloody Coventry at whl.
Asshats

SpursDave88 · Dec 17, 2017

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Oh I agree 100% everyone has that right to air their view, good, bad or indifferent. It would fly in the face of everything a sports message board represents.

It's just you get to see those who are here and ready to have a debate win, lose or draw and those that only appear after a defeat such as yesterdays, as you say, apparently there is no agenda ...

People are just venting...the board is an easy target because at the end of the day what this season is proving is that in the end football is first and last about money.

We lost Walker because of money and other first teamers heads have been turned because of money.

Poch can no longer get a tune out of this team because they are not pulling together in the same way and for many of them their heads are elsewhere.

For my part I think the board it doing what it can with the resources at it's disposal, but in general they flinch at the critical times which costs money in the long run.

Had we signed Mane rather than Sissoko and Janssen we may have already won a league title.

Now our golden crop has broken down and it is hard to see how we will keep it all together, obviously after a defeat people tend to see things a bit glass half-empty.

I don't think it is much of a debate that overall we have been poor in most matches this season. When we have had the odd good result, we haven't taken it into the next game.

gerishep · Dec 17, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
I think many are no longer interested in doing well with Spurs and want to move to greener pastures.

I don't know what people found funny in your comment. Walker leaves and doubles his wages and looks cert for a pl winners medal. Rose, Alderverjeld(spelling) and others are observing. Everyone on the pitch against City are earning less than they should be, with no medals to show for it then that hurts.

SpursDave88 · Dec 17, 2017

slartibartfast said:
Can't believe some of the utter shite being spouted on here.
Some of these people seriously need to fk off and follow someone else imo. I wont call them supporters because I see very little support for this club from them.
We just went up against the most expensive squad ever assembled in English football,
away from home,
they're on an unbeaten run and setting a new record,
we have 2 of our back 3 missing and one of the best defensive midfielders in the EPL also missing,
and surprisingly we lost.
In a season where we are playing away at Wembley for our home games and have had long term injuries to key players we've still managed to beat Real Madrid good and proper, same with Dortmund and topped our CL group which looked an impossible task after the draw, we battered Liverpool, which I went to and was a fantastic game, and we were still until yesterday in the top 4.
And yet we lose to this team of superstars and these pricks start screaming Pochs useless, players are useless, ENIC are useless, our philosophy is wrong, blah blah blah.
You people need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
We are not a mega rich club like City or Chelsea or Utd.
We are Tottenham Hotspur. We will have highs and lows and we will do things the right way.
If you cant handle it when we lose a game then stop following the team and follow a money bags club.
We lost away to Man City ffs not bloody Coventry at whl.
Asshats

It's not that we lost, it's that we look miles away from competing again after a few years of doing so. We didn't put in a good fighting showing we were bent over and had our bottoms smacked by one of the bigger clubs for the second time in the last few weeks. We have been poor at home all season, Liverpool game aside and we are not in the top 4 we are behind Burnley, Arsenal and Liverpool in 7th.

Deleted member 27995 · Dec 17, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
People are just venting...the board is an easy target because at the end of the day what this season is proving is that in the end football is first and last about money.

We lost Walker because of money and other first teamers heads have been turned because of money.

Poch can no longer get a tune out of this team because they are not pulling together in the same way and for many of them their heads are elsewhere.

For my part I think the board it doing what it can with the resources at it's disposal, but in general they flinch at the critical times which costs money in the long run.

Had we signed Mane rather than Sissoko and Janssen we may have already won a league title.

Now our golden crop has broken down and it is hard to see how we will keep it all together, obviously after a defeat people tend to see things a bit glass half-empty.

I don't think it is much of a debate that overall we have been poor in most matches this season. When we have had the odd good result, we haven't taken it into the next game.

While I said air your views, the same view just reworded doesn't really count.

As I said, there are certain posters who only appear on here after a result like yesterdays and then churn out this rhetoric about money being spent, players heads being turned due to one player leaving and the results thing which wasn't an issue up considering we had just won two on the bounce.

Venting is one thing, saying the same things in multiple threads is overkill, it's fine point taken, but it really, truely isn't half as bad as you are on about.

TBH Dave, last season you told me after the defeat to Chelsea in the cup that at the age of 29 you were jaded ... Six months removed from that and you're still saying the same things...

Perhaps you just need a break from it all, after all it's only football.

Deleted member 27995 · Dec 17, 2017

gerishep said:
I don't know what people found funny in your comment. Walker leaves and doubles his wages and looks cert for a pl winners medal. Rose, Alderverjeld(spelling) and others are observing. Everyone on the pitch against City are earning less than they should be, with no medals to show for it then that hurts.

Shame they didn't play upto their heady standards then, the two things here aren't mutually exclusive are they? Put in a shift then if you think you are deserving of more, especially if you think you're worth it.

slartibartfast · Dec 17, 2017

"SpursDave88, post: 5697608, member: 23531"]People are just venting...the board is an easy target because at the end of the day what this season is proving is that in the end football is first and last about money.
Agree. Always has been.
We lost Walker because of money and other first teamers heads have been turned because of money.
Agree Walker. Rose maybe, do you know about others?

Poch can no longer get a tune out of this team because they are not pulling together in the same way and for many of them their heads are elsewhere.
See CL and Liverpool game.

For my part I think the board it doing what it can with the resources at it's disposal, but in general they flinch at the critical times which costs money in the long run.
Meh.

Had we signed Mane rather than Sissoko and Janssen we may have already won a league title.
Every team every season can say had we done this instead of that we'd have won the league or not been relegated.

Now our golden crop has broken down and it is hard to see how we will keep it all together, obviously after a defeat people tend to see things a bit glass half-empty.
See CL games and Liverpool game. Were top 3 until a few weeks ago and thats with playing at Wembley so thats just capoppycock. Agree people overreacting.

I don't think it is much of a debate that overall we have been poor in most matches this season. When we have had the odd good result, we haven't taken it into the next game.
Well we've had long term injuries to key players mate and arent playing at whl so we're not likely to be looking better than last season.
I think, and hope, you'll see us kick on in new year with Lamela, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Wanyama and Rose all fully fit.
Thats a lot of quality to be missing.
Watch us beat Juventus in CL and then watch a revision of opinions on here.
You wont hear from these 'fans' then.

slartibartfast · Dec 17, 2017

SpursDave88 said:
It's not that we lost, it's that we look miles away from competing again after a few years of doing so. We didn't put in a good fighting showing we were bent over and had our bottoms smacked by one of the bigger clubs for the second time in the last few weeks. We have been poor at home all season, Liverpool game aside and we are not in the top 4 we are behind Burnley, Arsenal and Liverpool in 7th.

The tables as tight as a ducks arse for top 4. Its not like we're cut adrift.
As I keep saying we've got several really key players missing at the moment. People need to realise that when you come up against the best that is going to show.
We're going into the new year with all these injured starting 11 players to come back. Can Arsenal and Liverpool say that?
We're going to get stronger.
And lets not forget to finish top 4 after a whole season at Wembley would be a fantastic achievement in itself. Its not a given.

zoneD · Dec 17, 2017

...maybe Poch played a weak lineup and didn't make any changes in order to shame Levy into splashing some more cash in the transfer market...
COYS

shelfmonkey · Dec 17, 2017

Colonel_Klinck said:
Christ some of you need this I think

Just face the fact City are a different level to any other team in the Prem right now. Maybe we should have done a Jose and parked the bus but we didn't. Yeah we aren't in great form and several key players are in poor form, a couple of those are kids and it happens to young players. We also have key players out. I'm disappointed but christ the world isn't coming to an end. Top 4 is still on and we have a world class stadium to move into next season. Now get down the doctors and top up that Prozac prescription ffs. We move on to the next game.

It's not just poor form though, is it? Something's wrong at the club, Poch has had a pretty downcast demeanour, with the exception of a few decent victories, the attitude of some of the players is all wrong, just look at the goal celebrations they're not as playful as they were last season.

diamondlight · Dec 17, 2017

Colonel Dax said:
The stadium on its own will not take us to the next level. Yes the increase in revenue and commercial opportunities will help us catch up with Liverpool, and get closer to Arsenal, but Chelsea, Man U and Man City will remain far ahead. The only way to catch up with those clubs IMO is if we get a sugar daddy owner.

Leicester.

Streetspur77 · Dec 17, 2017

This has to be the worst meltdown for years, all because we lost to a team many (not me admittedly) thought we'd lose to. People can say it's wider then that all they want but the match thread on Wednesday was only 37 pages long and no one was menstruating then.

If we had beaten city would we have people saying they are going to stop supporting spurs and getting numerous agree ratings? I don't personally think one result should have that much power.

Trophies would be lovely but ENIC have bought us more than we could have dreamed of in the depths of the 90s, two great champions league runs and two title races and if you need a trophy to validate those memories then I truly feel sorry for you.

Speaking of the 90s how did some of you lot get through em without causing yourselves harm judging by the reaction today

spursfan77 · Dec 17, 2017

gerishep said:
I don't know what people found funny in your comment. Walker leaves and doubles his wages and looks cert for a pl winners medal. Rose, Alderverjeld(spelling) and others are observing. Everyone on the pitch against City are earning less than they should be, with no medals to show for it then that hurts.

Play better and earn more money with us maybe?

Colonel_Klinck · Dec 17, 2017

shelfmonkey said:
It's not just poor form though, is it? Something's wrong at the club, Poch has had a pretty downcast demeanour, with the exception of a few decent victories, the attitude of some of the players is all wrong, just look at the goal celebrations they're not as playful as they were last season.

I believe it is exactly that. Key players haven’t found their form of last season. Dele isn’t chipping in with goals, assists and cheeky through balls ect, that has been a huge loss. Last season we were incredible at WHL. Of course the players were dancing around, the place was a fortress, the fans were loving it. We then carried that confidence to away games. it all contributes. If Poch and the players looked as happy as last season with our form I’d almost be more worried. No the squad still isn’t strong enough, a few injuries as we’ve discovered and we are a top 6 team. A fully fit first 11 and I still think we’d be up there with United. This season was always going to be tough though. Wembley is shit. I’ve been offered tickets for several games but have only been once as I hate be place. I still think we can grab top 4. For me that will be a successful season.

Gaz_Gammon · Dec 17, 2017

worcestersauce said:
Do you not believe that the players and the team will improve with maturity and experience? Do you not feel that maybe Eric Dier at 23, Serge Aurier, Ben Davies and Harry Kane at 24, Christian Eriksen Erik Lamella and Son Heung Min all at 25 and Dele Alli, Davinson Sanchez and Harry Winks all at 21, have all still got their best years ahead of them? If not I'd be interested to know why.

Young players at any club should improve if coached correctly. Perhaps you're question should have been will the players you mention develop to be as good as the ones at our main rivals, and the answer to that has to be no.

Two reasons, one, they mature and leave, and two, we never have the talent in numbers, and proof of that fact is clear to see not only from our performance yesterday bu by our woeful form against the "top four" sides over the past decade.

shelfmonkey · Dec 17, 2017

worcestersauce said:
Do you not believe that the players and the team will improve with maturity and experience? Do you not feel that maybe Eric Dier at 23, Serge Aurier, Ben Davies and Harry Kane at 24, Christian Eriksen Erik Lamella and Son Heung Min all at 25 and Dele Alli, Davinson Sanchez and Harry Winks all at 21, have all still got their best years ahead of them? If not I'd be interested to know why.

You're right, but I don't think Alli, Eriksen and possibly Dier are going to play there prime years a Spurs.

Gaz_Gammon · Dec 17, 2017

diamondlight said:
To the brink of occupying one of the best stadiums in Britain, a process that has involved incredible patience, commitment and investment, during which we've mounted two credible title challenges and beaten Real Madrid in Europe. I'd say it'd be absolutely, utterly crazy to deny the same owners a chance at taking us to the next level in the new stadium. It would also be mean-spirited.

This thing about beating Madrid appears to be a get our of jail card of an excuse. The week before we beat them Madrid lost to La Liga sixth place club Girona, that oh so famous Spanish club currently sixteen points behind first place Barcelona. In fairness to Girona they actually created a reserve team as far back as 2011, so things are looking up for them.

Our two "credible" tittle challenges (where on each occasion we never actually topped the table) were halted by again not being able to sustain form mostly due to the limitations of the strength in depth and quality of the squad.

Building a gin palace has had little effect or change to the transfer policy of the club since ENIC took over, and nett spend over the past decade or so proves just that. So the owners have never really took chances to actually go to the next level (as you said), They now have a manager born of their own vision when it comes to financial outlay of players, and the way they want the club to be ran.

This post makes it sound like i am unhappy with the state of the Club, but far from it the Club hasn't really changed it's just that the perfect storm happened over the past two or so seasons, where our main rivals made bad managerial appointments and regressed before getting their shit together. Normal service has been resumed and again we have found our rightful station in the footballing landscape.

Yesterdays defeat and the style of it, was shown to us all as far back as pre season, and if anything the Manager sounded post match that he really did see this coming, who didn't?

I think we have a very good team, play exciting football and are a threat to the best in Europe, but will never have the resources to win consistently. Accept that and the game becomes much easier to watch as a Spurs fan.

Colonel Dax · Dec 17, 2017

diamondlight said:
Leicester.

A once in a generation (or more) phenonemon.

worcestersauce · Dec 17, 2017

Gaz_Gammon said:
Young players at any club should improve if coached correctly. Perhaps you're question should have been will the players you mention develop to be as good as the ones at our main rivals, and the answer to that has to be no.

Two reasons, one, they mature and leave, and two, we never have the talent in numbers, and proof of that fact is clear to see not only from our performance yesterday bu by our woeful form against the "top four" sides over the past decade.

No my point was that their best years are ahead of them so there is no reason to suppose they are as good as they are going to get, comparisons with players at other clubs don't come into it.

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