4-2-3-1 The "En Vogue" formation

[Spurs_Bear]

Yes, it was our most successful season but we won nothing and the best teams played a combination of 433.

Why did you change your Cathode Ray Analogue Television? to a flat screen digital LCD, it was broke (I'm guessing).

Thats such typically bullshit way of looking at it. What about the teams that played 433 or 451 that didn't win anything? Should they 'fix' it back to 442.

Chelsea won the league and for the last few months of the season played a 442 with Drogba and Anelka and Malouda and Kalou out wide.

 

[EastLondonYid]

____________________GOMES___________________

richards___________dawson_____king____________bale

______________sandro________hudd____________

_____azza____________cole_________luka

________________forlan__________


that is the way foward......when bale bombs foward,we have sandro to drop ...

movement ,pace and variety up front.

 

[double0]

Thats such typically bullshit way of looking at it. What about the teams that played 433 or 451 that didn't win anything? Should they 'fix' it back to 442.

Chelsea won the league and for the last few months of the season played a 442 with Drogba and Anelka and Malouda and Kalou out wide.

My point is, THFC should aspire to be the best and the best teams throughout the world and domestically played a combination of 433.

Yes we finished 4th playing 442 but if we're looking to advance we must follow the examples of the best teams. If you find time, maybe you could check the best top 3-4 teams in all major league's, check formations these teams played-which is the most successful? Though I'm sure you notice the finalist of the World Cup don't play 442.

Not saying we should never play 442 but we'd be silly not to try another system, even if we lose playing another system IE 4231 433 4411 the players need to get used to formation change for the better.:shrug:

 

[higgoboss]

Went in a cab the other day and the driver was a season ticket holder. He said that he often takes a well know red top journo who thinks spurs will try and get Ronaldinho Gaúcho. This would be a dream come true.

____________________GOMES___________________

richards___________dawson_____king____________bale

______________sandro________Luka____________

_____azza____________cole_________Ronaldinho Gaúcho

________________Crouch__________

If we managed to replace Crouch with Forlan (who has looked like the best player in the world cup) surley we would have a chance of winning the league!

 

[StartingPrice]

I corrected it now, thats what i get for multitasking, but i was saying we didn't have two goal scoring strikers last year because two never were scoring at same time whereas if we had one goalscoring striker this season it wouldn't make that much difference and wouldn't need that 15 goal midfielder

And also we are playing a static 4-4-2 at the moment whereas if playing a 4-5-1 with a holding midfielder the other four midfielders would have more freedom to go out of position which would lead to more chances for our midfielders than they get now

Thanks Pard'ner.
Up to a point, you are right, but if we can get someone who adds more threat of goals from midfield and who adds depth to our squad, it will be even better for us. We can't just be happy with standing still, just because we had a good season.

I take your point on board that without any change of personnel our midfield would probably have more chances in a 4-5-1 next season, but I think Karenina gives a good explanation of why we would benefit from an experienced attackingmidfielder who is a truly potent strike threat. So, I will just agree with him oops: embarrassed to say I have always thought Joe Cole was more prolific, and never checked the stats).

Spurs have just had their most successful season in the Premier League ever, and they did it playing a 4-4-2 formation.

Which begs the question:

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Because the manager has given an interview where he explains his position - that 4-4-2 will get you so far in the EPL, but against the top teasm, and in CL, a 4-5-1 is more likely to yield results (or, at least, give us a genuine Plan B).

I think there is a bit of misunderstanding about this. This is how I saw it (others may disagree): against the Goons at the Lane, we 'got away' with playing 4-4-2 because they didn't have much of a goal threat. That meant we could concede territory and possession, and then break their play up in the final 3rd. Our situation looked far more precarious when RVP came on, and we have to imagine the situation if he had been fully fit. We can't count on him being fully fit next time round (or of them being so relatively toothless), and so have to consider if we want to play 4-4-2 in the future aginst them.

Likewise, against Chelsea, I genuinely believe that they come out thinking they could out play us so it didn't really matter what we did. Even though they outnumbered us in midfield they never really got to grips with the idea that they were actually being so comprehensively outplayed (as evidenced by their dissent and petty squabbling). And Ancelotti seemed pretty clueless as to how to change it. A classic case of one team underestimating another, IMHO. 'Arry was 'shuffling his pack' and taking chances and he got away with it (woohoo :beer. Almost any other team that day would have focussed on snuffing us out and with an extra man in midfield probably would have snuffed us out dead. Chelsea just seemed intent on 'getting their game going' - their failure to do this seemed like the only explanation as to why they were being so comprehensively outplayed by a team they considered inferior,in footballing terms. Again, can we really hope for such favourable conditions again:shrug:

____________________GOMES___________________

richards___________dawson_____king____________bale

______________sandro________hudd____________

_____azza____________cole_________luka

________________forlan__________


that is the way foward......when bale bombs foward,we have sandro to drop ...

movement ,pace and variety up front.

This.

 

[mil1lion]

I wouldn't mind seeing us try the Barca system at home. Especially against teams with only 1 striker who look to lock the back door on us. We only need one holding player in those games.
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Gomes

Corluka....Dawson....King....Bale

Palacios

Modric......Cole

Lennon........................Bellamy

Forlan

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I really do think we would need a wide attacker to make any formation with 1 striker work. I would love someone like Aguero, but Bellamy would be much more realistic.​

 

[DJS]

I think it depends on the type of players you have.

The best example of a 4-3-2-1 for me has been Holland at this World Cup.

They just have the perfect personell for it.

Two wide players who are very much forward attacking wing players in Kuyt and Robben who will also score you goals

An excellent continental 'no.10' in Sneijer.

And two very good sitting midfielders in van Bommel and De Jong.

At Spurs though, I just don't think we have flexible enough players to do this.

I'm not a fan of Defoe as he is just not intelligent enough for the modern day team looking to really push on for the top honours - plus he's proven yet again this season he doesn't have the correct mental attitude to sustain his form beyond Christmas.

It is why I've always been an advocate of Keane as he has in the past had more to his locker - i.e. he has been able to earn star man performances even is he hasn't actually scored.

If Keane really can't get back his spark we need to look at another flexible striker who can play in a front two but also perhaps provide a bit of something else to re-inforce the midfield (kinda like what mil1ion has said below in bold).

I'd far prefer we look to have a 4-4-2 formation with flexible and well-balanced players in it.

This includes in addition to a no.10 type forward also getting a new centre forward as neither Crouch, Defoe or Pa particularly impress me.

I'm not 100% sure on it tbh. Simply because it seems a bit crowded. When Bale gets forward from the left it would be like 6 in midfield. I wouldn't have an attacking right back either, because Lennon would still occupy the very wide right position where he is most effective.

I think it would be just as easy to do a 4-4-1-1 system and play the same midfield as last season, with a number 10 between the out and out striker and midfield.

There is a big difference between 4-4-1 and 4-3-2-1. The main differences are:

1) Narrowness in central midfield, the central 3 in 4-3-2-1 are closer to each other and more compact than the 2+1 in 4-4-1-1
2) No wingers, the 3 behind the 1 have more freedom so Lennon wouldn't stick to playing out on the right touchline, it is what has frequently been referred to as "not playing in straight lines" with the Germans best demonstrating the potency of playing with different angles to their attack
3) The role of the FBs, the FBs need to overlap to provide width, this would work especially well for us with Bale down the left. As 'arry said on t'sport Bale is far more dangerous coming from the deeper LB position than LM where he can be marked more tightly.

Notwithstanding us not having the perfect number 9 I still think the Lenon-Modric-Kranky trio would really benefit from 4-3-2-1 and would score more. I also think the number 9 we're looking for isn't a Berbatov, skillful hold up player, but more a Drogba, powerful goalscorer. To demonstrate this just consider whether Klose is more Berbatov or Drogba.

4) I got my calculator out and they don't add up to the same number.

Darn beat me to it! :lol:

 

[yusrisafri]

Away from home, I'd go for 4-2-3-1

.................Gomes...................
Kaboul....Dawson....King.......BAE
...........Palacios....Hudd.............
Lennon.......Modric.............Bale
................Crouch...................

Defoe can also play in Bale's position ala Villa for Spain.

4-1-4-1 would be better for us at home

.................Gomes...................
Kaboul....Dawson....King.......BAE
................Palacios...................
Lennon....Modric....Krancjar...Bale
.................Crouch....................

 

[epfou1]

-----------Gomes---------
Corluka-Woodgate-King-Bale
---Huddlestone-Palacios------
--Lennon-Modic-Kranjcar/Cole
-----------Defoe-------------

 

[rabbikeane]

For the above formations to work, we'd have to sign at least two players,
a new lone striker and most likely someone else on the left as well if we ever intend to score enough goals. Dzeko+Bellamy would be high on short list.

Playing Modric as the number 10 it puts a lot on pressure for the lone striker and wide men to score enough goals, might be solid but will be lacking in attack.
Having Kranjcar as the number 10, and rather Modric behind him could improve it

Gomes
Corluka - Dawson - King - Bale
Huddlestone - Modric
Lennon - Kranjcar - J.Cole
No9

Modric and Huddlestone proved they could do very well together in the middle towards the end of the season. And with Kranjcar as a third central player it would provide additional cover from what they had in the flat 442 midfield back then.
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[mil1lion]

I still don't have it in me to leave out Palacios. I know Modric and Huddlestone did a great job at the end of the season, but a fresh Palacios covers so much more ground and gets so many tackles in. I still see him as a crucial starter for us this season. Although we do have enough quality players to do a bit of rotation in order to keep everyone fresh.

 

[michaelden]

Gomes

Corluka Dawson Bassong BAE
Palacious Huddlestone
Lennon Giovani Modric
Pav​

Crouch
Kranky Defoe Bentley
Sandro Palacios
Bale King Kaboul Naughton

Cudicini​

Fixed

 

[ravo]

I like 4-2-3-1 a lot, but until we get the lone striker role sorted, it's quite pointless. It also leaves Crouch and Defoe on the bench... every week, unless we only play it away (for example).

 

[michaelden]

I think Pav's hold up and passing making him ideal for this role. He is our best passer of our forwards

 

[BringBack_leGin]

To tell you the truth, as long as the team involves Modric as a central midfielder (not in the hole, not lying deep, not on the left, but in the middle where he can dicate entire moves from one penalty area to the other), Bale somewhere on the left, Lennon on the right and the same back three (Gomes, Dawson, King) for the majority of the time, I think any combination of any of our other players will be very good. I would like a better striker than those we already have, but he has to be available, I don't want a signing for the sake of it.

Gomes
Kabluka Dawson King Ekottale
Lennon Palandrostone Modric Balcar

with either a 1-1 in front of it, or a 2 in front of it.

 

[mil1lion]

No Lenntley or Azza Dos-Lentos :shrug:

 

[StartingPrice]

To tell you the truth, as long as the team involves Modric as a central midfielder (not in the hole, not lying deep, not on the left, but in the middle where he can dicate entire moves from one penalty area to the other), Bale somewhere on the left, Lennon on the right and the same back three (Gomes, Dawson, King) for the majority of the time, I think any combination of any of our other players will be very good. I would like a better striker than those we already have, but he has to be available, I don't want a signing for the sake of it.

Gomes
Kabluka Dawson King Ekottale
Lennon Palandrostone Modric Balcar

with either a 1-1 in front of it, or a 2 in front of it.

Eek Sounds like a gender reorientiering drug Eek

Other than that it has the merit that it is not too dogmatic (apart fromthe dogmatic insistence that Modric pay in the middle:grin: - which I am neither objecting nor disobjectifying to, by the way).

 

[michaelden]

Eek Sounds like a gender reorientiering drug Eek

Other than that it has the merit that it is not too dogmatic (apart fromthe dogmatic insistence that Modric pay in the middle:grin: - which I am neither objecting nor disobjectifying to, by the way).

I think my Thai ladyboy is on Palandrostone :think:

 

[StartingPrice]

I think my Thai ladyboy is on Palandrostone :think:

Palandrostone, the well-known, lothario Greeko-Italian footballer:shrug:
And you're gonna accept that. What's the World coming to?

You're not watching are youmg:

 

[Norn_Iron]

What would Bill Nic think of all this?, the way the game has changed from having about three or four defensive players at the back and about five or so attacking players. As the years have gone by players have been droping from attacking positions to defensive ones where today we are saying the way forward for us is to have one striker on the pitch. I agree that to be succesfull we will have to adopt such tactics but i'm not sure i'll enjoy it as much.