A Positive Danny Rose Post

[Flobadob]

Just so we are clear - signing Rose to a 5-year contract means he is clearly first choice, while swapping Sigurdsson for Davies (about a £10M deal) and giving Davies a new 5-year contract clearly means he is second choice to Rose?

What am I missing?

You're being a plonker now mate. Me and @Shadydan argued that signing him to a 5 year deal means it's unlikely he's being prepped for sale, not that it means Rose is first choice. I think Rose will be first choice, you think Davies will be, have I mocked you for that opinion? No. I don't know what you're missing because you have clearly got the wrong end of the stick or are just being a child about people disagreeing with you

 

[parklane1]

Well, two things, I don't know how much time Rose had on his existing contract, but I am pretty sure he did not get a 5-year extension to that deal. I think he has a new 5-year contract.

One of the benefits to having a 5-year contract is that player will retain value longer - so that next summer we will probably sell one of Rose or Davies (leaning towards Rose, but open to the idea Davies could be sold). Giving Rose the new deal means we will likely get as much or more next summer as we could right now - depending on how he performs under Pochettino.

I do not think Spurs intend to have Rose and Davies under contract for 5 years each competing for time at LB. So the signing of the new deal, is not necessarily reflective of a commitment to Rose.

The winner.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The opening post is unconvincing at best, much as Roses's play.
He is a half decent defender I grant you, when he is positioning him self correctly. Sadly, he is out of position far too often. He "must" run with the ball aaaaall the way to the opposite corner flag, miss his cross, and not even make it back in time to defend. When he do make it back home, he will wither 1) defend or 2) cause a dangerous set piece. Sorry, he is the weakest link in the line up, and as such, will be critisized. Heck, if we had the best 4 defenders in the world, we would want to sell the weakest of them, that's the nature of being a fan.

 

[DHMadboy]

I dont think Danny Rose is the best LB in the premiership but I dont think he's the worst, I just think last season with the way we were playing it made most our defenders look bad, and as Danny had the least protection, as there were less players to cover for his mistakes, vertongen made some bad mistakes but quite often he had CMs, another CB and a LB to track back and cover, when a LB is out of position its more obvious.
Anyway the point was how irrational the stick was he got, and heres the thing, if you rate him you'll forgive his mistakes and believe that praising him and working on his confidence will make him a better player, if you hate him then you need to do the same, as theres no way some other team will buy him if hes crap and lacking in confidence, just remember if you want rid of him, surely it benefits us if we can get a higher price for him, which means getting behind all our players

 

[Flobadob]

The winner.

Clearly not, as his first point was proven redundant as Rose only had 1 year remaining on his contract when he was given the 5 year deal. He was nit-picking anyway as it was really obvious that I was just talking about Rose being given the 5 year deal in total, even though I used the word 'extension'.

His second point in paragraph 2 is also ridiculous as no club in their right mind would give a 4 year contract extension to a player that they don't rate highly because they can just do a Bentley and sit around collecting a wage for the next 5 years if they don't want to move elsewhere and it's likely the entire coaching staff where in agreement for this deal to be made, after all them assessing Rose in training and matches.

And finally, I actually agreed that it's not likely they are going to both stick around for the next 5 years to compete for a LB spot, for various possible reasons.

If that's 'The Winner' then you must be one of the biggest Rose haters I've come across because that post is anything but 'The Winner', it's a load of shite made up to try and prove a point that something like someone being given a 5 year deal in total is more likely to be because they will be sold the next season than it being just the manager rates the player and decided to back him with a new long term contract, which is 99% of the time why a player is given a new long term contract. I suppose if Vertonghen signs a new 5 year contract as reported you will expect him to be sold the next year because it's raised his value? Somehow I doubt it. If you don't rate Rose, I have absolutely no problem with that, just don't talk shite like him being given a long term contract is most likely because we are going to sell him in a year when the majority of history and quite frankly a sane persons logic tells you that isn't the most likely outcome, at all.

 

[Makkaveli101]

Danny why are you talking in the third person?

HAHAHAHA Funniest post of the year so far...literally spat my coffee out...luckily I was able to aim away from the laptop screen/keyboard just in time.

 

[crokey]

And the hivemind has turned full circle

I thought it would take until the end of August, even I underestimated

 

[Shadydan]

You're being a plonker now mate. Me and @Shadydan argued that signing him to a 5 year deal means it's unlikely he's being prepped for sale, not that it means Rose is first choice. I think Rose will be first choice, you think Davies will be, have I mocked you for that opinion? No. I don't know what you're missing because you have clearly got the wrong end of the stick or are just being a child about people disagreeing with you

Sounds about right...

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Rose has been given a lot more stick than he deserves, but he did have a tendency to literally walk back after attacking. He was either too lazy or too unfit...take your pick.

However, it would be very easy to heavily criticise the majority of LBs in the league, as this seems to be most teams' weak link. E.g. When Gibbs was mistakenly sent off for Oxlaide-Chamberlain's hand-ball, I thought he deserved the red for being so out of position during that attack and for the first 2 goals. They really weren't defensively any weaker without him on the pitch.

 

[SpurSince57]

No, I don't. Rose was very good until his injury. If you choose to forget that, that's your problem. He's showing signs of getting back to a good level and has 5 years left at this club because our manager decided he deserves it and he rates him so you better open your mind a bit on this subject, because I'd take Pochetinno's opinion over yours every day of the week.

Let's put that 'very good' into context. Prior to his foot injury, he had five games, four of them against lower-league bus-parkers (and Arsenal, somewhat surprisingly, conceded the majority of possession). On his return, he didn't exactly convince, and the argument that he was left exposed by Eriksen's role as a faux-LM doesn't really stand up when you recall that Leapy and Benny managed pretty well when Steed and Modric went central.

I was completely unconvinced by him before he went to Sunderland on loan (and would question just how good he really was there). However, I don't think it's possible to deny that he has most of the attributes of a decent full-back—save, perhaps, for a brain. If Mo can sort him out, then great! Or it may be that we're only doing what we did with Steo.

 

[parklane1]

Clearly not, as his first point was proven redundant as Rose only had 1 year remaining on his contract when he was given the 5 year deal. He was nit-picking anyway as it was really obvious that I was just talking about Rose being given the 5 year deal in total, even though I used the word 'extension'.

His second point in paragraph 2 is also ridiculous as no club in their right mind would give a 4 year contract extension to a player that they don't rate highly because they can just do a Bentley and sit around collecting a wage for the next 5 years if they don't want to move elsewhere and it's likely the entire coaching staff where in agreement for this deal to be made, after all them assessing Rose in training and matches.

And finally, I actually agreed that it's not likely they are going to both stick around for the next 5 years to compete for a LB spot, for various possible reasons.

If that's 'The Winner' then you must be one of the biggest Rose haters I've come across because that post is anything but 'The Winner', it's a load of shite made up to try and prove a point that something like someone being given a 5 year deal in total is more likely to be because they will be sold the next season than it being just the manager rates the player and decided to back him with a new long term contract, which is 99% of the time why a player is given a new long term contract. I suppose if Vertonghen signs a new 5 year contract as reported you will expect him to be sold the next year because it's raised his value? Somehow I doubt it. If you don't rate Rose, I have absolutely no problem with that, just don't talk shite like him being given a long term contract is most likely because we are going to sell him in a year when the majority of history and quite frankly a sane persons logic tells you that isn't the most likely outcome, at all.

The only person talking shit here boy is you, but carry on you are giving people a laugh.

 

[Flobadob]

The only person talking shit here boy is you, but carry on you are giving people a laugh.

Haha, boy? You arrogant twat, you don't even know me. Only some middle-aged man that can't even run 20 yards without getting out of breath would call a 20 year old 'Boy'. I spend my evening in a boxing gym for 2 hours, 5 times a week and play football 3 times a week. You may think I'm a boy but I could probably run rings around you and not even break a sweat, old man.

If I'm talking shit, point out the things I'm talking shit about in that post you quoted please. And explain exactly how I'm talking shit, I'm interested in which points I've made are the ones you're finding so funny?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

If I'm talking shit, point out the things I'm talking shit about in that post you quoted please. And explain exactly how I'm talking shit, I'm interested in which points I've made are the ones you're finding so funny?

Would you Rose-lovers stop throwing that at anyone who questions his ability? "Prove it to me", "Show me the evidence", "You're making this up" - no! YOU show us that he's demonstrated the adoration you're pouring on him. I have been infinitely patient, and i'm sure he bought himself plenty more time with that cracker against the Woolwich with a lot of fans, but HE has given you the facts, with his dire performances and attitude towards contributing to the team on the pitch. Put everything off the pitch aside, his displays have been consistently average even on his best day, dreadful on his worst and to argue anything to the contrary is like arguing that black is white.

Being offered a five year deal, again, reflects on his ability in no way whatsoever - i would suggest that he is being kept on simply as convenient cover for Davies, in case of injury or whatever, and no-one in their right mind is going to sign a one or two year deal at his age, so offer him a five year deal which gives him some degree of security and it gives the club leverage when better options become available in six/twelve months and a Stoke or Sunderland come in for him. If he sees out this contract and leaves the club as a free agent in five years time i will eat Rocky Dennis' decomposing cock.

 

[parklane1]

Haha, boy? You arrogant twat, you don't even know me. Only some middle-aged man that can't even run 20 yards without getting out of breath would call a 20 year old 'Boy'. I spend my evening in a boxing gym for 2 hours, 5 times a week and play football 3 times a week. You may think I'm a boy but I could probably run rings around you and not even break a sweat, old man.

If I'm talking shit, point out the things I'm talking shit about in that post you quoted please. And explain exactly how I'm talking shit, I'm interested in which points I've made are the ones you're finding so funny?

Still laughing, the way i used boy was not a slight on you just a phrase i use. However you are coming across as kid who has just found some bumfluff on your chin.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

Pointless thread.

Rose is below EPL average. Nothing else to say on the matter.

Only hoping his extension was owing to our requirement to comply FFP rules or whatever else.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Shadydan - the spam is lovely ta, but no matter how much you feed me it doesn't make you right, dude

 

[Shadydan]

Shadydan - the spam is lovely ta, but no matter how much you feed me it doesn't make you right, dude

Chill out dude its only spam

 

[Flobadob]

Still laughing, the way i used boy was not a slight on you just a phrase i use. However you are coming across as kid who has just found some bumfluff on your chin.

You're coming across as an old man that thinks everything that comes out of his mouth is wisdom even though you have nothing to back up what you're saying whatsoever. At least when I say that I think Rose will stay at this club for the next 2-3 years I can use the fact he has a 5 year contract as it was just extended by 4 years. Going by history is it not very likely that Rose has been given a long term contract because the coaching staff rate him? Yes or No

 

[eddiebailey]

New season. New manager. New contract. New tactics. New start.

Put the hate away and give the lad a chance.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

This is a good post to see all the tards come out of their cages, there is always two issues where it annoys me to come on this site and it is not because of a difference of opinion. I think like most Rose is a good attacking full back, nothing spectacular but far better than alot of the other dross in the premiership. Perhaps some of you are too young to remember Justin Edinburgh or more recently Ben Thatcher for woeful/thug like left backs.

Anyhow to blame Rose for the defensive problems of last season is just idiotic, Dawson as the most experienced head at the back should be first in the firing line as sometimes his defending was just appauling. Vertonghen our best defender (supposedly), was average at best, Naughton is young and in experienced and was less than impressive.

The reasons why Rose struggled defensivley last season:

1- We have no left winger/midfielder in the squad, so most of the time we played number 10's at left wing, no defensive cover
2- Tim/Les - "we dont need a defensive mid" idea did not help things as they would be the usual players to drop in
3- Highline defending - you have to be superb in possesion for this to work, we were not.

None of these have anything to do with Rose.

I personally thought up until his injury he was our best player under AVB and we lost attacking threat when he went. Davies and Rose should share the spot of left back this season depending on the situation or the game, two good options.