Obviously I think prices play a part but I'd say it more to do with a change of mentality. People have never before been feed so much information, and in doing so this information has altered their priorities. Previously fans would go to the game and it would be all about the atmosphere and the event of supporting your team. Now it's all about being entertained of putting your opinion first (e.g player x should play) because you feel your pricey ticket entitles you too this 'right'.
AVB vs. the home support
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Obviously I think prices play a part but I'd say it more to do with a change of mentality. People have never before been feed so much information, and in doing so this information has altered their priorities. Previously fans would go to the game and it would be all about the atmosphere and the event of supporting your team. Now it's all about being entertained of putting your opinion first (e.g player x should play) because you feel your pricey ticket entitles you too this 'right'.
rez9000
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Sorry, Francis, but you didn't answer the question I asked: is your support of Spurs conditional?
I was watching a shitty stream and had it muted because the commentators did my nut but even I was feeling anxious. It's a human emotion, people can't help but to react that way when put in the situation that we're in. From what I've read, nobody was really booing? Was it just people groaning if somebody made a mistake?
At the same time, you can't blame the players or AvB too much, we've done really well (in respect to our points tally) due to the fact that we're bedding in so many players and aren't playing particularly well. I'm sure we'll been performing better in the future.
At the same time, you can't blame the players or AvB too much, we've done really well (in respect to our points tally) due to the fact that we're bedding in so many players and aren't playing particularly well. I'm sure we'll been performing better in the future.
mattyspurs
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Missed you Rez...it's been to long. Are you the Rez on bookface last night putting taht Gooner in his place?
Anyway my take on this is...I am over the moon at our best PL start ever. I am over the moon that we are only 3 points from the top. I am not happy with the football, I think it;s boring, and we have enough quality within the side to be playing at a higher tempo, and creating better chances, with more incisive passes than we are doing. This bores me and frustrates the hell out me.
However, When I get to go to the Lane, which is not very often because I live up north and cannot afford it and have responsibilties meaning that I cannot, I support the team, I sing whether we are playing well or not, because thats what supporters do. My last game was Fulham home last season, we were shit, but what was more shit was the atmosphere.
Some of you who go, do not realise how lucky you are to be able to go week in week out, because I wish I could go and cheer the club that I love passionately all of the team.
Fucking grow up and support the club.
markiespurs
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Don't disagree with you, but I do think it's a catch 22 position, with a response needed from both players and fans.
From my point of view as a season ticket holder, there is only a limited number of times you can get excited about a backwards or sideways pass. I know there are times when this is necessary, but we seem to be doing it far too often.
If the players want us fans to be positive in the stands, then they need to be more positive with their passing and movement. Which comes first though is where the catch 22 situation comes in.
mattyspurs
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Agree Rig. Living up north, I used to go to all of the NW games, thats when they were in the PL obviously, but I loved the atmosphere, I felt part of a gang, a tribe, our small gathering against the thousands of home support, You can't beat it
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Francis Gibbs
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Sorry didn't see a question .... totally unconditional then, no - I reserve the right to criticise as I do with those I cherish unconditionally
crokey
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This is football you mug, not the cinema. Expecting 'entertainment'; fuck right off.
eViL
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I've got to say too.. all this was happening before AVB even got here.
A couple of games into our inevitable final 3rd lull during Redknapp's reign was soon greeted by a shit atmosphere at the Lane and clearly affected the Team's confidence.
I find it crazy that people pay the ticket prices they do to piss and moan about, arguably our most successful side of the premiership era.
Now we get potential suicides if we have a goalless draw.
A couple of games into our inevitable final 3rd lull during Redknapp's reign was soon greeted by a shit atmosphere at the Lane and clearly affected the Team's confidence.
I find it crazy that people pay the ticket prices they do to piss and moan about, arguably our most successful side of the premiership era.
Now we get potential suicides if we have a goalless draw.
Francis Gibbs
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Ah see the brains trust are in tonight....
Geyzer Soze
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Another aspect to consider. How culpable are the club themselves?
5 minutes into the game we are ORDERED to sit down, no banners, no flags, no drum ...
5 minutes into the game we are ORDERED to sit down, no banners, no flags, no drum ...
But do you not accept my point that it doesn't matter what the issue is (in this case our slow build up) the atmoshpere is not very good and hasn't been under many previous managers. Like I said if it wasn't our slow build up play it would be our use of (or lack of) subs or the formation, or playing this player or that player or sitting deep or being too high. Or passing sideways or being too direct or only looking for the long ball to crouch's head or not crossing early enough or crossing too early or not havign a decent final ball or holding onto the ball for too long or turning in circles on the ball or being offside or not working hard enough or not being strong enough or not having enough quality or being french or being ex scum or being too small or being too long or being too fat or being too thin...
Here's another thread picking up this point from 2009. Enjoy..
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/im-getting-really-annoyed-with-fickle-fans.41711/
rez9000
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Hey buddy. I know, it's been too long. I need to change my habits and come on SC first before Failbook because all my time ends up being spent there. And yes, that was me yesterday with "Big-g". Get this: he complained about one of my posts and I got a 12-hour ban! LMAO!
Anyway, you're spot on, my friend. And I think you've shown precisely where the problem is.
You say you find AVB's football boring. There's nothing wrong with that assertion. One can't be forced to like something.
But what you do and so many seem not to do is that you don't make that a condition of your support. You don't withhold your support because you don't like the football.
What people need to understand is that players come and players go, managers come and managers go; my God, even chairman come and chairman go, but the club remains. And that is what the target of support is: the club.
And some unable to see that if you don't support (or even worse abuse) someone who works for the club, you are by proxy failing to support the club.
And so it can't be conditional. It can't be a case of 'play my way or I won't support you'. It's not even a case of how much you pay or how many games you go to. If you support the club, you support the club.
And you've shown the perfect example, Matty - in that you disagree with aspects of the club, but your support remains the same. We should all learn that lesson.
IMissTheWaddler
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I actually didn't go today but listened on radio London on wireless headphones (much to the confusion of my little girl) and it - the atmosphere - sounded awful and the commentators certainly picked up on it. And while I'm really worried that with so much attacking flair, pace, power and goal scoring potential in our side we are slow, ponderous and lethargic in our play, there really is no excuse for having none of the basics of home support. No songs, chanting, rallying, humour, or any of the fundamentals of a good home crowd. It's more than embarrassing, it's scary. It's like there is a cancer in our support and even more, there's a total lack of perspective as to where we were just a few years ago. I have my own opinions on some of the "type" of fans who go to the lane and as someone who has been going since 1991 I feel I'm allowed an opinion but it's one I won't be sharing on here. I don't condemn AVB for bringing this up so publicly, and although I agree that the quality of football directly influences the attitude of the crowd, especially at WHL, I think that there's no excuse for today and it's about time it was addressed.
Even if if this 'right' is to the detriment of the team?
mattyspurs
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