AVB vs. the home support

[bk75]

I was there today and the atmosphere was shocking. It's like a crowd of theatre goers sat on there arses waiting to be entertained. Footballs not meant to be like that. You support and sing no matter how bad the team is playing. AVB is absolutely bang on with his comments. It needs to change.

 

[crokey]

Everyone with a negative comment about our performances always have a big "if" in their comments. "If" we keep playing this way we will start losing etc etc etc. The only evidence we have is that "if" we keep on playing like this we are going to keep on winning. We win almost every game we play. What is the matter with you lot, holy shit.

You say the performances are irritating and boring, you plastic, glory hunting wankers are the only irritating thing about my beloved Spurs.

PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF

 

[rez9000]

Sorry didn't see a question .... totally unconditional then, no - I reserve the right to criticise as I do with those I cherish unconditionally

OK. No problem. You have the right, and it could be argued the duty, to criticise. However, if you believe that your support is and should be unconditional, then by bringing criticism into your support, you make it conditional. Because you have removed your support and replaced it with criticism.

When I watch Spurs, sometimes I think, 'we need to move it quicker', or 'should have threaded it through', but my voice is still raised in song supporting them. I have my criticisms (even with my less than encyclopaedic knowledge of football) but my support remains a whole and unchanged thing, because I can't put a condition on it. Doing so means it is no longer support. Do you see where I'm coming from?

 

[markieboy]

I wonder what games the manager has actually watched recently?
We were atrocious against West Ham,we have been shit in every Europa League game this season,how did we manage to beat Sheriff? We scored a lucky goal last week that set us up for a win and we got a very dubious penalty today otherwise we would never have scored.

He really should have gone to SPECSAVERS!

 

[markiespurs]

But do you not accept my point that it doesn't matter what the issue is (in this case our slow build up) the atmoshpere is not very good and hasn't been under many previous managers. Like I said if it wasn't our slow build up play it would be our use of (or lack of) subs or the formation, or playing this player or that player or sitting deep or being too high. Or passing sideways or being too direct or only looking for the long ball to crouch's head or not crossing early enough or crossing too early or not havign a decent final ball or holding onto the ball for too long or turning in circles on the ball or being offside or not working hard enough or not being strong enough or not having enough quality or being french or being ex scum or being too small or being too long or being too fat or being too thin...

Here's another thread picking up this point from 2009. Enjoy..

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/im-getting-really-annoyed-with-fickle-fans.41711/

Totally accept your point and agree with you that the atmosphere isn't good and hasn't been under previous managers. Just trying to come up with reasons why the atmosphere has been so bad. It's something that I would really love to see us turn around, and fast.

 

[Krafty]

I didn't think the atmosphere was poisonous, but certainly apprehensive.

The last game at the Lane saw us get humiliated against a London rival. We lost 3-0 against a team who didn't have a striker, put ten men behind the ball, and as has happened against each team that plays defensive and organised against us we struggled to create opportunities despite mountains of possession, and there has been no improvement in that regard.

So after a better first 10 minutes, we fell back into our unambitious, directionless play, looked susceptible to counter attacks, struggled to build a tempo and generally looked crap.

Naturally, the crowd suffers with that kind of performance - you try to support them but everytime a hint of an opening, a chance to break, the sniff of space, we end up going backwards, the ball ends up with a centre back, and we are back to square one.

If AVB believes that the only thing stopping this team from playing good, attacking, rewarding football that will score goals is a more vocal crowd then we really are in trouble!! The lack of an effective plan A, let alone a plan B, is the managers fault, and after nearly three months we should be looking better against teams who park the bus.

The longer the game goes without us getting a goal the less likely we look like scoring, and the quieter/more worried the crowd gets. When we did get vocal nothing changed, we still played dour, uninspiring, backwards football.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Even if if this 'right' is to the detriment of the team?

Don't misunderstand me I am not a jeerer or booer at the game - I prefer to use this forum to give my views particularly the critical ones but I will absolutely not criticise those who do as imo they have every right to voice their opinion wether I agree or not, players at this level should be big enough and professional enough for it not to effect them especially at the levels you get at WHL

 

[mattyspurs]

Everyone with a negative comment about our performances always have a big "if" in their comments. "If" we keep playing this way we will start losing etc etc etc. The only evidence we have is that "if" we keep on playing like this we are going to keep on winning. We win almost every game we play. What is the matter with you lot, holy shit.

You say the performances are irritating and boring, you plastic, glory hunting wankers are the only irritating thing about my beloved Spurs.

PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF

Not all of us dude...You can't generalise like that. I have said i'm not a fan of the football and think it's boring and inspid, thats because I know we can do so much better than we are currently showing, but, I have also said that that it does not hinder my support for the club and the players and will support them right to the bitter end vocally, never booing, never jeering and never being quiet

 

[riggi]

Everyone with a negative comment about our performances always have a big "if" in their comments. "If" we keep playing this way we will start losing etc etc etc. The only evidence we have is that "if" we keep on playing like this we are going to keep on winning. We win almost every game we play. What is the matter with you lot, holy shit.

You say the performances are irritating and boring, you plastic, glory hunting wankers are the only irritating thing about my beloved Spurs.

PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF

Why have yu spammed my post when we have the same opinion. You lot know I was being sarcastic right?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Don't misunderstand me I am not a jeerer or booer at the game - I prefer to use this forum to give my views particularly the critical ones but I will absolutely not criticise those who do as imo they have every right to voice their opinion wether I agree or not, players at this level should be big enough and professional enough for it not to effect them especially at the levels you get at WHL

I've never understood that point, we have 21 year old guys playing who don't know the country, language the other players that well. Why should they be more prepared for criticism than others and be able to deal with it better than people like us...

 

[FinnYid]

This is football you mug, not the cinema. Expecting 'entertainment'; fuck right off.

This is Tottenham you mug

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Danny Blanchflower

 

[Spurger King]

Everyone with a negative comment about our performances always have a big "if" in their comments. "If" we keep playing this way we will start losing etc etc etc. The only evidence we have is that "if" we keep on playing like this we are going to keep on winning. We win almost every game we play. What is the matter with you lot, holy shit.

You say the performances are irritating and boring, you plastic, glory hunting wankers are the only irritating thing about my beloved Spurs.

PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF

Are you ten? So if people are concerned about our predictably plodding performances these days,they're glory hunting wankers that should fuck off?

Maybe climb down from your high horse, open your eyes, and take your own advice.

 

[crokey]

Why have yu spammed my post when we have the same opinion. You lot know I was being sarcastic right?

I don't know what post you're talking about but I wouldn't spam it if I thought you were being sarcastic. Apologies.

 

[crokey]

Are you ten? So if people are concerned about our predictably plodding performances these days,they're glory hunting wankers that should fuck off?

Maybe climb down from your high horse, open your eyes, and take your own advice.

No. Yes.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Everyone with a negative comment about our performances always have a big "if" in their comments. "If" we keep playing this way we will start losing etc etc etc. The only evidence we have is that "if" we keep on playing like this we are going to keep on winning. We win almost every game we play. What is the matter with you lot, holy shit.

You say the performances are irritating and boring, you plastic, glory hunting wankers are the only irritating thing about my beloved Spurs.

PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF

ah, the sanctimony is strong in this one

 

[riggi]

I don't know what post you're talking about but I wouldn't spam it if I thought you were being sarcastic. Apologies.

Fair nuff!

 

[rez9000]

This is Tottenham you mug

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Danny Blanchflower

You're not wrong there, Finn - the game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish.

But even given that, we still return to the question I asked you (and Francis): is your support of Spurs conditional?

 

[Nocando]

This is Tottenham you mug

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Danny Blanchflower

Like you, I always forget the bit at the end where he said "and if the supporters don't get these things, then they are entitled to boo, moan and whinge as they pay their money and deserve to be entertained". Oh wait he never said that, did he?

 

[Darth Vega]

Compared to last season, the atmosphere today was rocking. Last season the majority of the stadium would boo the team off at HT if we were drawing. I think groans are always gonna be expected when possession is needlessly given away. Even when we had a good atmosphere that happened, it's just a natural reaction. Don't get me wrong, our support is nowhere near what it used to be. It's quite sad really.

I think it's a two way process though. The loudest we were today (besides the couple of minutes after the goal) was when Holtby and a few other players chased down the ball continuously and we had a small spell of sustained pressure in and around the Hull box. We're not playing pretty football and the players aren't exactly giving us much to sing about.

 

[Spurger King]

This is Tottenham you mug

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Danny Blanchflower

That really is the antithesis of what we're doing right now.

Having said that, I agree with those that say we should vocally support the club as much as possible when at the ground. Whenever I'm at a game I cheer our players on no matter who is playing or how they are playing.