Match Threads Bournemouth Vs Spurs

[DenverSpur]

He was prioritising the CL game in midweek. At some point he has to rest players. People in this very thread have been calling for 'rotation' for a while now. If they have any sense, they'll stop that now (they don't, so they won't) because we have at least four players that we need to improve on and definitely two or three within the next two transfer windows. We simply haven't got that kind of squad yet. I'm willing to give a few of them a chance on the assumption that being surrounded by much better players will improve their performances too.

Today told us nothing we didn't already know, the squad needs a lot of work doing to it. We know this and it'd be nice if some of the people around here started to acknowledge it and then translate that into a bit of balance instead of what we saw today with comments such as excrement, ****s and spastics (I kid you not). That's what passes for support these days.

If I’m watching the game live I don’t read the in march comments much. I’ll give the odd comments here and there and at half time and then read the comments made at full time. Today after the game I read all the comments from half time onwards.
Some people really need to take serious look at themselves. Some of the knee jerk reactions and abuse of both players and manager is embarrassing. By all means comment on individual actions in the game but for God’s sake at least wait till full time before you have a meltdown. One person stated with great certainty that we’d lost today, would lose on Tuesday, be battered by Liverpool next week and Conte would be gone. This was somewhere around between their second at our first goal!! Nothing like waiting to see how things play out.

 

[walworthyid]

If I’m watching the game live I don’t read the in march comments much. I’ll give the odd comments here and there and at half time and then read the comments made at full time. Today after the game I read all the comments from half time onwards.
Some people really need to take serious look at themselves. Some of the knee jerk reactions and abuse of both players and manager is embarrassing. By all means comment on individual actions in the game but for God’s sake at least wait till full time before you have a meltdown. One person stated with great certainty that we’d lost today, would lose on Tuesday, be battered by Liverpool next week and Conte would be gone. This was somewhere around between their second at our first goal!! Nothing like waiting to see how things play out.

I'm a long time critic of Conte and often give voice to that in the match day thread. I've also spent 41 years supporting spurs, 18 of those years as a member of this forum, through high and low. As long as I'm not abusive surely I have the right to express how I feel in the moment?

Are you advocating some sort of censorship where we only allow measured and reasonable comments during matches?

Who decides what that looks like?

I can tell you that if we remove people who say silly things during emotional moments we won't have many members left on the forum!

 

[DenverSpur]

I'm a long time critic of Conte and often give voice to that in the match day thread. I've also spent 41 years supporting spurs, 18 of those years as a member of this forum, through high and low. As long as I'm not abusive surely I have the right to express how I feel in the moment?

Are you advocating some sort of censorship where we only allow measured and reasonable comments during matches?

Who decides what that looks like?

I can tell you that if we remove people who say silly things during emotional moments we won't have many members left on the forum!

I’m not saying that at all but there’s no need for abuse of players Its also boring that people come into the game with their preconceived beliefs and biases about certain players or the manager and his style then use every little mistake to hammer away the same point time after time.

 

[jolsnogross]

That first half was abysmal again. I don't know why Conte and the players wont address that issue, but they aren't and they need to.

The fightback was stirring stuff and I didn't think we had it in us. Well done Ryan Sessegnon for sparking that. Anyone lumping Sessegnon in with Royal in terms of wing back ability is a bit mad IMO. Sess offers a run in behind and has some forward passing and one touch footy in him. Plenty to work on, but also plenty to work with. The same isnt true of ultra safe Royal on the other side.

And ultimately, Conte keeps picking Royal even though he gums up the works of the entire team. We're going nowhere if he keeps playing because we're way too deliberate, slow, and easy to defend against with zero threat from right wing back.

That was an important win. A draw would've been a poor result. Hopefully we can step it up for the next two big games, because we need to show something against higher placed teams.

 

[Super Pav]

Been working and had my often few quid on the opposition,didn't know score and looked at my account to see I'd been paid,thought wtf useless xxxxs,so looked to see where it had gone wrong and saw we'd won 3-2,365 have early payout on 2 goal lead

 

[walworthyid]

I’m not saying that at all but there’s no need for abuse of players Its also boring that people come into the game with their preconceived beliefs and biases about certain players or the manager and his style then use every little mistake to hammer away the same point time after time.

That's called human nature my friend! I personally don't abuse the players or manager but I do criticise.

 

[jolsnogross]

Yeah, that's what I did, I suggested it occurs regularly outside the match thread ?

Fuck my life

Oh and they aren't stupid things, some of them are fucking disgusting or at very VERY best over the top and out of order. 'Heat of the match' has got fuck all to do with that, that's not a license to come out with what you want.

Can't you just ban or give these commenters a time out? The prior point you responded to was a fair one; you and a couple of other higher profile posters, presumably with people following ye, tend to amplify the abusive nonsense by complaining about it and contribute to derailing the thread. It might be better to amplify good comments about footy, drawing your followers to those good comments. Or quoting the abusive ones and applying a 3 week ban (or whatever is possible/appropriate).

I know people get wrapped up in cancel culture bullshit these days, but if you have the tools to curate a better forum, you should fire away and use them. A short period of doing this might change behaviours.

(I realise I might be first on the chopping block for this off-topic comment now )

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I agree with this. How bad is Spence if he can’t get a look in past Emerson though?

Young. Raw. Unreliable in defence. Emerson is uninspired and hesitant in attack, but he's usually very solid and disciplined in defence.

We know from observation and from his many comments that Conte won't start players until they "know his system". I'm sure that is primarily code for knowing exactly what to do and where to position themselves when we do not have the ball, rather than which runs and attacking moves to make when we do have the ball.

His system is about team defending first. Then it's about team defending. People don't get this about Conte, because they think of him coaching fast-attacking teams that score in goals in two seconds. He is a coach for whom team defending - all 11 players - is paramount. Team defending means every new player learning all of Conte's shapes, moves and formations before they get to play. Some fit right in (Kulusevski and Perisic, who had played for Conte before). Some take much longer, like Bissouma, Gil and Spence.

That's why Spence isn't playing., Not because he's "bad". Because he hasn't learned exactly how Conte wants the team to play defence.

He'll play when Conte deems him ready. All the carping in the world won't speed that up. He'll probably be exciting and productive when he finally does play and everyone will moan about how he should have been playing months ago.

No. Not until the manager trusts him in his defensive role.

 

[KingKay]

Made hard work of it again ???‍?

 

[jolsnogross]

Young. Raw. Unreliable in defence. Emerson is uninspired and hesitant in attack, but he's usually very solid and disciplined in defence.

We know from observation and from his many comments that Conte won't start players until they "know his system". I'm sure that is primarily code for knowing exactly what to do and where to position themselves when we do not have the ball, rather than which runs and attacking moves to make when we do have the ball.

His system is about team defending first. Then it's about team defending. People don't get this about Conte, because they think of him coaching fast-attacking teams that score in goals in two seconds. He is a coach for whom team defending - all 11 players - is paramount. Team defending means every new player learning all of Conte's shapes, moves and formations before they get to play. Some fit right in (Kulusevski and Perisic, who had played for Conte before). Some take much longer, like Bissouma, Gil and Spence.

That's why Spence isn't playing., Not because he's "bad". Because he hasn't learned exactly how Conte wants the team to play defence.

He'll play when Conte deems him ready. All the carping in the world won't speed that up. He'll probably be exciting and productive when he finally does play and everyone will moan about how he should have been playing months ago.

No. Not until the manager trusts him in his defensive role.

You may be spot on about this, but it's still an error from the manager. By persisting with a player so abysmal in possession, we end having to defend as a team far more often and never get anywhere near the "goals in two seconds" team.

Royal is very athletic and has a good engine, but he's not an especially good defender. His net effect on the team is far more negative than any suggestion of excellence as a defender. And almost certainly more negative than another professional wing back who surely cant be so mindless as to not know to get back quickly into shape when we lose the ball.

 

[Stamford]

Potter has Sterling and Pulisic as wb's today. Just to add to discussion.

worked well

 

[hughy]

Yeah, that's what I did, I suggested it occurs regularly outside the match thread ?

Fuck my life

Oh and they aren't stupid things, some of them are fucking disgusting or at very VERY best over the top and out of order. 'Heat of the match' has got fuck all to do with that, that's not a license to come out with what you want.

Well ban them mate. You're the boss. It's simple.

 

[Mate]

Sorry - but some of the vitriol that is spewed in the match threads, and in many of the player threads, is way over the top - even accounting for "heat of the moment" posts.

I get frustration - I think we all do - but, the anger that comes out by some is not healthy, nor supporting the team.

The most worrying part is that the match day thread doesn't have a patch on the comments/behaviour that we see at our stadium.

They're the ones that concern me the most as those voices directly feed into the players/management

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Can't you just ban or give these commenters a time out?

Sadly, you're probably right, it's looking increasingly like it's time to do something we've tried very hard not to do

 

[DarwinSpur]

You do this regularly A&C . You quote stupid things said in the heat of the match (which we all do) from the match
and suggest its a widespread thing that's occurring regularly outside the match which I don't believe it is.

Nope. It's widespread. There's been loads of "turnover" around my seats in the South this season (season ticket holders selling their tickets) and it's very noticeable how fucking toxic Spurs fans are becoming.

Bad enough in here. Even worse when we're supposed to be giving the team a lift in the fucking stadium.

 

[McFlash]

You do this regularly A&C . You quote stupid things said in the heat of the match (which we all do) from the match
and suggest its a widespread thing that's occurring regularly outside the match which I don't believe it is.

Maybe try to have a little self control and not spout stupidity in the match threads?
It's not something we all do, it's a very vocal minority who are seemingly happy to display their lack of self control/intelligence because they are caught up in 'emotion'.

Just because this is a faceless fan forum on the internet, shouldn't mean that the rest of us should have to deal with the vitriolic ignorance that's posted and classed as "heat of the moment".

It's immature and quite frankly, totally unnecessary.
Whether it's in the match thread, or not, is no excuse for grown men to act like spoilt toddlers.
It's tiresome.

 

[DarwinSpur]

Imagine if we'd just been spanked 4-1 by Brighton or lost to bottom 3 teams Forest and Leeds in the last two weeks

 

[NEVILLEB]

I’m not saying that at all but there’s no need for abuse of players Its also boring that people come into the game with their preconceived beliefs and biases about certain players or the manager and his style then use every little mistake to hammer away the same point time after time.

When members have different opinions to yours they have ‘preconceived beliefs and biases’?

 

[McFlash]

When members have different opinions to yours they have ‘preconceived beliefs and biases’?

Calling a player a ****, shit, or anything else isn't a different opinion.
It's just being an abusive prick.

 

[crokey]

Sadly, you're probably right, it's looking increasingly like it's time to do something we've tried very hard not to do

If even a 3-2 win in the last minute doesn't cause a good match thread then it's time for something to be done imo