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BringBack_leGin

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You can dress it up (and down) as much as you like but caring and winning are synonymous with our fans and that's whats wrong.
Then how do you explain the amazing suppotr we had when we genuinely were rubbish?
How do you explain how ever many of us there were being brilliant to the very end away at the Bernebeau.

Sorry doesn't wash. There has to be some other reason why the atmosphere was better when we were watching Sinton than it is watching Eriksen.
 

Donki

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Then how do you explain the amazing suppotr we had when we genuinely were rubbish?
How do you explain how ever many of us there were being brilliant to the very end away at the Bernebeau.

Sorry doesn't wash. There has to be some other reason why the atmosphere was better when we were watching Sinton than it is watching Eriksen.

I think it's a reaction to where we were a few seasons ago to where we are right now. We have now had a taste of CL and ere seen as one of the big 4. We had players like Bale, Modric and VDV now we have good players but it's a mismatch of players trying to fit into a system with a change of management half way through a season. We have signed big name players and if we are all honest none has shined that brightly. Our record star is no where to be seen and we follow his brothers twitter in order to find out what's going on. It's strange cause we still find ourselves in 5 place with games upcoming that could still fire us into the top 4.

Back in the days of the legend of Andy Sinton we were shite, we had been shite for years and we had nothing but shite on the horizon. We as supporters never looked at the thought of a title challenge we thought about the next game and if there would be a moment that got us off our seats. Oh and we also wondered if Gerry Francis would actually do an interview and actually look at the camera.
 

SlunkSoma

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Good reply, but makes your post which i replied to wrong then.
No it doesn't. Arsenal haven't invested in the team properly, having been hamstrung by Wengers ego and their stadium. Their aim seems different to what I outlined for spurs, they are content with CL as a revenue stream - I want to use the CL to fund success on the pitch.
 

parklane1

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No it doesn't. Arsenal haven't invested in the team properly, having been hamstrung by Wengers ego and their stadium. Their aim seems different to what I outlined for spurs, they are content with CL as a revenue stream - I want to use the CL to fund success on the pitch.

Well i disagree, they have money, pay better wages then us and qualify for the CL every year but have won nothing. What i am saying is that quaifying for CL is no sure way of winning things as you seem to think.
 

Monkey boy

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Well i disagree, they have money, pay better wages then us and qualify for the CL every year but have won nothing. What i am saying is that quaifying for CL is no sure way of winning things as you seem to think.

Yet pretty much every major trophy throughout Europe has been won by a champions league playing team for the last 20 odd years. Coincidence?
 

parklane1

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Yet pretty much every major trophy throughout Europe has been won by a champions league playing team for the last 20 odd years. Coincidence?

Well considering that the teams who have won most of the trophys are stronger then the rest then its no surprise it is, if we start winning trophys is will attract better players and this should help win us more trophys.
 

SlunkSoma

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Well i disagree, they have money, pay better wages then us and qualify for the CL every year but have won nothing. What i am saying is that quaifying for CL is no sure way of winning things as you seem to think.
I'm not saying it's a sure way of winning things - if it was that easy then that would be pretty boring...but I see it as an important part of doing so. I don't want CL football as I think that's the pinnacle of achievement - I want it as a jumping off point to more.
 

shelfboy68

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Well considering that the teams who have won most of the trophys are stronger then the rest then its no surprise it is, if we start winning trophys is will attract better players and this should help win us more trophys.

Problem we have is a catch 22 situation as we need top four to attract the best but can't make it due to Fucking it up so that leaves us where we are now out of the equation.
 

Shea

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Well considering that the teams who have won most of the trophys are stronger then the rest then its no surprise it is, if we start winning trophys is will attract better players and this should help win us more trophys.
CL football and the money that comes with that on a regular basis would attract these players a great deal easier than regular victories in the FA cup and Carling cup would with no CL football - of that I am certain
 

chavkev

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The best way we are going to succeed long term is if we grow our own. Spending money on the likes of Chadli and Siggi is a waste of resources.
 

parklane1

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CL football and the money that comes with that on a regular basis would attract these players a great deal easier than regular victories in the FA cup and Carling cup would with no CL football - of that I am certain

We we have managed to attract the likes of Lloris, Jan, Lamela without being in the CL so its not as simple as that.
 

Shea

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We we have managed to attract the likes of Lloris, Jan, Lamela without being in the CL so its not as simple as that.
I said CL football and money will be more attractive to top players than cup success will - I never said anything about us being able to attract potentially top players that the bigger clubs do not want as we've already proven we can attract such players without CL football or Cup success

I am saying money and CL football will be a bigger draw to top players than cup success will be - I don't see how that can be argued against. There will always be diamonds in the rough or good players who are not on top club radars we can sign without either as we have many times in the past and even Newcastle have with the likes of Cabaye - but the statement I was responding to regarded success from cups making us more attractive to the type of players that can make us successful long term and I am saying without a doubt CL football and the money that comes with that is a bigger draw and makes us more attractive to potential signings than cup success and Europa football ever could.
 

Chris12

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This isn't to do with the players.. This is to do with you the fans and supporters of this club

People say they don't care anymore or are caring less, but lets be honest, if you didn't care or cared little you wouldn't be on here getting mad..

Whilst we may be pretty bad at the moment (sugar coating) I still care quite a lot, so I'm wondering who else cares?
 

evoid

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I like to think I don't, but I care wayyy too much...And thats why it hurts so much more, as these bunch of pricks couldn't give a fuck about the club or the fans
 

Macspur261

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No.
We used to dream that spending big money would give us a chance.
100 mil later that dream has been well and truly shattered.
So what else can we do ?
 

Reece

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I care just as much as I ever did. Unfortunately our football really is dog shit at the moment. It's sad to see.
 

sebcole

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myhartlane

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I think if you fall into the whole trap of seeing the race for the top four as the be all and end all of each season, then it can be a draining and deflating experience.

This ties in perfectly with what another poster wrote earlier about an increasingly unpleasant atmosphere at White Hart Lane over the past decade.

It dismays me when I hear Spurs fans deriding cup competitions preferring to gain a top 4 place than win a trophy, that's been a fundamental change in the attitude of our fans over the years and obviously reflects the changes in the football industry over that period. The FA Cup final being played before the end of the season for goodness sake.
 
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