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yanno

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Because a player with those attributes would set the Championship alight when on loan. He would also look like he fitted in when playing in the Turkish league, not look completely out of his depth and perform poorly. He would also do more than run fast during the world cup (0 goals, 0 assists) and get acclaimed for it.

People WANT Giovani to be a great player, but he isn't.

Let's break this down.

Gio scored 4 goals in 8 games at Ipswich, and probably spent the first half of that late season loan spell trying to get match fit.

At Galatasaray he was competing with some very good, established, players such as Arda Turan for a place in the side. Did he underperform? Quite possibly. But again he went there part way through the season.

Was his spell at Racing a failure? Appears not, as several Spanish clubs want to buy him.

At 18, Barca thought he was good enough to promote him to their first team squad to understudy Messi. He played 28 times, mostly as a sub.

Then Rijkaard was replaced by Guardiola, and he shipped the drinkers out - primarily Ronaldinho and Deco. Gio was also allegedly one of those who would go out drinking with his hero, Ronadlinho.

Fine. Clearly, Guardiola was making a statement, and a strong and constructive one.

Gio was 19 when he came to Spurs. A fresh start at a fresh club. Obi Mikel, also a young kid in a foriegn country, had a terrible time at Chavski at first. He never made training on time. Until Mourinho decided to sort it out and hired a chaperone cum chauffer, to make sure off field stuff didn't interfere with his development as a footballer.

The years between 19 and 22 are crucial for the development of a footballer, and Gio has played very little competitive football. Some of it may be his fault. But I've seen very little carrot from our coaches.

With so many subs in the modern game, and Gio's ability to play across the front line, and attack tiring defenders with pace and skill, he should have been on our bench week after week. This would have kept him motivated, and eased him into Premier League football. Instead, I remember sighing week after week as on-loan journeyman Fraizer Campbell made the bench ahead of GDS.

At 17, Gio was a phenomenal talent. He may never live up to that potential.

But he does have exceptional technique and ability as the compilation here shows.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Because a player with those attributes would set the Championship alight when on loan. He would also look like he fitted in when playing in the Turkish league, not look completely out of his depth and perform poorly. He would also do more than run fast during the world cup (0 goals, 0 assists) and get acclaimed for it.

People WANT Giovani to be a great player, but he isn't.

Not really, I think a lot of Barca's small technical players would be completely ineffective in the championship, maybe even the premier. Can you imagine a player like Pedro playing over here? He'd be made to play right mid in a rigid 4-4-2 and do nothing as his strength isn't getting to the line and putting crosses in.
 

Mabsy

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Does anyone lnow where you can watch these Gold Cup games?

I always wondered whether Dos Santos would be up to the physical side of the Premier League, but as others have said here, I'm not sure he was ever really brought up to full speed and match fitness to test that. Didn't see any of his games in Spain, but his scoring record looks decent and Sevilla seem to be after him - especially if they lose Kanoute.

Maybe under a different manager he would have got a better run at Spurs, but some players' faces just don't fit or are just the wrong player at the wrong time regardless of ability.
 

Kendall

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SNAFU - you wrote:



This is dumb because it's completely irrelevant.

Dos Santos has exceptional ability: he's technically great, fast, low centre of gravity, can play all across the front line and scores goals. If you look at his goals for Racing, three were poacher's goals including two with his head. He also chipped the keeper from the edge of the area for his fifth goal.

See here.

I can't imagine Lennon scoring any of those goals.

The bottom line is that he has never been given a run in the Spurs team. One start here, a sub's appearance there.

As a young kid, living in a foreign country, with bags of talent, not even making the bench week in, week out, must be soul destroying.

Johnnie Jackson played 20 times for Spurs. Dean Marney 8 times. Gio has made 10 appearances in three seasons.

Given a chance at Spurs? He clearly hasn't been.

Yeah, must be gutting. Perhaps if he'd earned it, through not regularly being late for training and being anything slightly above crap in cameos it would've been different.

You reference Lennon who in the past 2 seasons has scored 4 last minute goals giving us 10 points from said games instead of 3.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Let's break this down.

Gio scored 4 goals in 8 games at Ipswich, and probably spent the first half of that late season loan spell trying to get match fit.

At Galatasaray he was competing with some very good, established, players such as Arda Turan for a place in the side. Did he underperform? Quite possibly. But again he went there part way through the season.

Was his spell at Racing a failure? Appears not, as several Spanish clubs want to buy him.

At 18, Barca thought he was good enough to promote him to their first team squad to understudy Messi. He played 28 times, mostly as a sub.

Then Rijkaard was replaced by Guardiola, and he shipped the drinkers out - primarily Ronaldinho and Deco. Gio was also allegedly one of those who would go out drinking with his hero, Ronadlinho.

Fine. Clearly, Guardiola was making a statement, and a strong and constructive one.

Gio was 19 when he came to Spurs. A fresh start at a fresh club. Obi Mikel, also a young kid in a foriegn country, had a terrible time at Chavski at first. He never made training on time. Until Mourinho decided to sort it out and hired a chaperone cum chauffer, to make sure off field stuff didn't interfere with his development as a footballer.

The years between 19 and 22 are crucial for the development of a footballer, and Gio has played very little competitive football. Some of it may be his fault. But I've seen very little carrot from our coaches.

With so many subs in the modern game, and Gio's ability to play across the front line, and attack tiring defenders with pace and skill, he should have been on our bench week after week. This would have kept him motivated, and eased him into Premier League football. Instead, I remember sighing week after week as on-loan journeyman Fraizer Campbell made the bench ahead of GDS.

At 17, Gio was a phenomenal talent. He may never live up to that potential.

But he does have exceptional technique and ability as the compilation here shows.

It's very difficult to even think about debating with someone who has such a hard on for Giovani. Jesus mate there are much MUCH better players out there that you could pick.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Because a player with those attributes would set the Championship alight when on loan. He would also look like he fitted in when playing in the Turkish league, not look completely out of his depth and perform poorly. He would also do more than run fast during the world cup (0 goals, 0 assists) and get acclaimed for it.

People WANT Giovani to be a great player, but he isn't.

No, people would have liked him to have been given more of a chance to develop into a useful squad member.

He was clearly too much of a challenge. What we need is more Phil Neville's. Good honest pro's who are always on time.

Yeah, must be gutting. Perhaps if he'd earned it, through not regularly being late for training and being anything slightly above crap in cameos it would've been different.

You reference Lennon who in the past 2 seasons has scored 4 last minute goals giving us 10 points from said games instead of 3.


Bit easier to score 3 late goals when you make 40 or so appearances in two seasons than when you make 3 though isn't it ? Be nice if Lennon had managed more than 2 assists this season.
 

Pringle

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have you ever thought the reason GDS didnt get more game time is because he simply isnt good enough? Just a thought.......
 

Spurs_Bear

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No, people would have liked him to have been given more of a chance to develop into a useful squad member.

He was clearly too much of a challenge. What we need is more Phil Neville's. Good honest pro's who are always on


Bit easier to score 3 late goals when you make 40 or so appearances in two seasons than when you make 3 though isn't it ? Be nice if Lennon had managed more than 2 assists this season.

No. You just want him to be a busy ****.

He's shite. Deal with it.

Go figure.

Ho hum wanker.

Add any other BC cliches here.
 

Caco

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Gio is a good player but unfortunately falls into the same category as Taarabt in that he is simply not good enough for Spurs. I think he has great technique, perhaps better than most but he has no enthusiasm. He cant cut it in the premiership, the game is too fast. He is better suited to Italy or Spain were he will do well.
 

wallyjakeman

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Gio is a good player but unfortunately falls into the same category as Taarabt in that he is simply not good enough for Spurs. I think he has great technique, perhaps better than most but he has no enthusiasm. He cant cut it in the premiership, the game is too fast. He is better suited to Italy or Spain were he will do well.

Sorry, but how do you know this? He never got a chance to cut it!
 

Kendall

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More of a chance blah blah. He's been poor in the few appearances he's had. Really poor. How often do you want to risk it?

When Lennon first got his chance, he took it well. When Bale got another chance, he was immense, Sandro has taken his few chances and now looks like keeping Huddlestone out of the side (a clear Harry favourite). Hell, Danny Rose hardly featured in 2009/10, but in 4 games he had two assists, won two penalties and scored against the goons and yet they type of poster bumming out GDS was writing him off.

Show me what GDS has done on loan that shows he deserves a run in a side like Tottenham at the expense of who we have already.

You have to make that sort of impact to stand a chance IMO. And even if you don't, you're facing an uphill battle if you're not getting in the side and turning up to training late.
 

Bus-Conductor

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More of a chance blah blah. He's been poor in the few appearances he's had. Really poor. How often do you want to risk it?

When Lennon first got his chance, he took it well. When Bale got another chance, he was immense, Sandro has taken his few chances and now looks like keeping Huddlestone out of the side (a clear Harry favourite). Hell, Danny Rose hardly featured in 2009/10, but in 4 games he had two assists, won two penalties and scored against the goons and yet they type of poster bumming out GDS was writing him off.

Show me what GDS has done on loan that shows he deserves a run in a side like Tottenham at the expense of who we have already.

You have to make that sort of impact to stand a chance IMO. And even if you don't, you're facing an uphill battle if you're not getting in the side and turning up to training late.


From memory, his first full game under Redknapp was Shaktar away (the eventual finalists) when people like Parrett were played as well and he was as good as anyone on the night. His next game was the home leg where he scored a blinder. What did this earn him ? A trip to Ipswich where he scored 4 in 8 and Keane tried to re-sign him on loan.

His next appearances came in the league cup. It was lower league opposition but he was outstanding in one of the games and playing really well but got injured (bad tackle) and taken off in the other.

Then gets sent to Turkey. Hardly the easiest place to settle on loan I would imagine.

This season he stays, Redknapp says he's buckled down and earned a chance. Forst chance he gets against a full strebgth Arsenal with our youth team. We get mullered and he gets taken off at half time.

In all the appearances I've seen him play he's been anything but lazy. Always looking for the ball and not - like Taraabt - trying ridiculous things, but looking to retain possession or hold the ball until something is on.

The kid looked strong for a little un, has very good technique, and as we have seen for us, at international level and on loan has an for a goal.

He's not the next Messi, but Lennon ain't no Ronaldo either. He ain't even Nani. Fuck, he ain't even Valencia, and we are not over flowing with clever skill-full attacking players. I would have much rather seen him played as a striker some days than that weak, insipid fucker Defoe. Could GDS have been as bad most weeks ?
 

Kendall

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He wasnt outstanding in the game against Doncaster at all. That was Bentley (1 goal, 3 assists that game I believe). Gio was simply 'OK'. Then got injured at Preston.

I don't think Obika or Kane would've been as bad as Defoe some weeks, but I can't get behind this GDS bandwagon when he's done nothing to excite for 3 years, home or away.
 

Coyboy

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Be nice if Lennon had managed more than 2 assists this season.

He has. So that's nice. Unless you count CL games, including one in the knockout stage, as friendlies. But then you did want us to go out in the group stage. Damn Redknapp, his tactical idiocy and illogical favouritism for getting us there.

And he had one of the highest number of assists the season before, and missed a large chunk of it. But let's not go back that far to make a point, except to talk wrongly about a player in the wrong league cup game.

How many assists did Modric get last year?
 

yanno

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Kendall - fixed your quote:

I can't get behind this GDS bandwagon when he hasn't played for 3 years, home or away.

Can the Gio haters please explain why we couldn't have put him on the bench to ease him into EPL football ahead of the woeful loanee Frazier Campbell?
 

Pringle

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because he wasnt good enough/didnt have a good enough attitude??

Can the gio lovers please explain that if he is so good then why did Barca let him go for such a small fee, why couldnt he get in our team, why couldnt he get in the galatasaray side? infact please explain what he has ever done to justify this hype? (i am assuming it was because he was player of the tournament at the U17 WC?)

If the guy was good enough he would have made it somewhere, but he hasnt. Performing reasonably well for a mid table spanish side certainly doesnt suggest to me he is good enough for THFC.
 

wallyjakeman

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Can the Gio haters please explain why we couldn't have put him on the bench to ease him into EPL football ahead of the woeful loanee Frazier Campbell?

Or maybe ahead one of the two keepers we had on the bench some of the games this year?
 

Pringle

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he was on loan wally so how could we have put him on the bench? a poor point clearly aimed at making a dig at harry. If we had put 2 keepers on the bench when Gio was here and available then fair enough, but dont spout crap to suit your agenda.

As said - if GDS is so good then why hasnt he made it anywhere at the top level?
 

Coyboy

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Kendall - fixed your quote:



Can the Gio haters please explain why we couldn't have put him on the bench to ease him into EPL football ahead of the woeful loanee Frazier Campbell?

Where have you seen anyone obviously hate Gio? Most just don't rate him. That's all.
 
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