for all of you who said....

[SpurSince57]

But the very first thing he did when he took over at Sevilla was to change Caparros' 3-5-2 to 4-4-2. I don't know what he favoured at Malaga, etc., but I feel pretty sure we'll see 4-4-2 as standard starting line-up and then adjustments according to how the game's going.

It wouldn't surprise me in any case if he thought less of fixed formations and more of the attacking-defending blocks Jol talked about when he was summarising during the WC.

 

[ohh_when_the_spurs]

But the very first thing he did when he took over at Sevilla was to change Caparros' 3-5-2 to 4-4-2. I don't know what he favoured at Malaga, etc., but I feel pretty sure we'll see 4-4-2 as standard starting line-up and then adjustments according to how the game's going.

It wouldn't surprise me in any case if he thought less of fixed formations and more of the attacking-defending blocks Jol talked about when he was summarising during the WC.

you mean a fluid formation yes? total football? jol spoke of this but never seemed to get his ideas across very well hopefully ramos will.

line ups on paper dont reresent how the team sets out very well anyways

 

[SpurSince57]

In defence of Jol, I think he pursued a pragmatic course because he simply didn't have the players he needed to play the way he'd have liked—hence his reputation for being over-cautious and circling the wagons. Yet although Juande has undoubtedly been more imaginative, we've also seen him employ tactics barely distinguishable from Jol's at times, I'll wager for the same reason—he simply hasn't had the players that will enable him to pursue his vision, so he's had to cut his coat according to his cloth.

It's interesting that a lot of the time we've continued to rely on long balls from Robbo—except when Huddestone's been on the field. I can't believe that this has been anything but a conscious acceptance of our midfield's limitations.

 

[C0YS]

In defence of Jol, I think he pursued a pragmatic course because he simply didn't have the players he needed to play the way he'd have liked—hence his reputation for being over-cautious and circling the wagons. Yet although Juande has undoubtedly been more imaginative, we've also seen him employ tactics barely distinguishable from Jol's at times, I'll wager for the same reason—he simply hasn't had the players that will enable him to pursue his vision, so he's had to cut his coat according to his cloth.

It's interesting that a lot of the time we've continued to rely on long balls from Robbo—except when Huddestone's been on the field. I can't believe that this has been anything but a conscious acceptance of our midfield's limitations.

actually I cant belive this hasnt been mentioned to much, but I would say the tactic of Robbo booting it has happened more often after Jol. I am still unsure about Ramos I rate him, but for me he still has everything to prove. However he has the winning mentality, which Jol didnt have (by no means his fault) by chrismas this season, and only then will I come to a conclusion on Ramos...and I think even their im rushing it :wink:

 

[double0]

We played the long ball when we had Carrick...I'd say we played it even more then. It was Robbo's favorite pass time to knock it long.

It seems everyones jumping on the band wagon with the 4-2-3-1 formation and I suppose were assembling a squad to be much more interchangeable, but it was very interesting that the European Champions employed and mainly won playing 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, with interchanging wingers, which I reckon Ramos will most likely favour.

 

[si_yidarmy]

i swear this is like the 50th formation thread

 

[mil1lion]

He wont play defensive midfield because he isn't a defensive midfielder. He'll be our most influential midfielder in attack next season, so it would be pretty pointless playing him further back then any other midfielder. The formation suggested could work if you flip it around. You could play Zokora and Jenas with Modric as the attacking central midfielder. The same role that Deco/Xavi played at Barca with Iniesta and Toure in behind. With the two wide attacking players either side. However, i cant see many goals still in that team. Which is why i'll always argue that Keane and Berbatov should start up front.

I still expect a 4-4-2 ormation next season. Not to forget that Ramos will change the system throughout the game. It will start as a 4-4-2 for most games and finish differently depending on how the game progresses. Ramos changed the formation several times throughout certain games last season. For now though, i'd expect Bentley/Lennon on the right, Giovani/Malbranque on the left, Modric/Jenas as attacking central midfielders who are more box to box, Zokora/Huddlestone as defensive midfielder. However neither Zokora or Huddlestone are good enough for the 1st team right now (Huddlestone could be in the future) so our best player in DM for me is Tainio.

We will sign a new DM though, of that i'm sure. Albelda would be great IMO. Especially as Huddlestone could make the role his own in a couple of years. So Albelda would be the stop gap while Thudd develops. If Thudd doesn't cut it, then hopefully we'll be in the Champions League, and can attract a top class defensive midfielder.

 

[eViL]

At the end of the day in a 4 4 2, one goes forward, the other stays back. We're not talking fat Frank and Stevie Gerrard here. Modric has more discipline than both of them with their heads duck-taped together. (and before anyone starts, I'm talking positional discipline, not ability)

From what little I've seen of Modric, he has the awareness to do one job or the other depending on what his midfield partner is doing at the time. Not once have I seen him go forward and leave his side looking vulnerable.

For those of you still choosing Zokora.. shame on you. He offers Zero going forward and is a liability in defensive midfield due to his pea brain being around 2 seconds slower than your average Premiership midfielder. Sure he can run, but er.. football? forget it.

The Hudd's signed a new contract, I'd expect him to be the 'Carrick' if a 5 man midfield is in order with Jenas and Modric doing all the leg work and link up.

We're not going to play the same way every week, not with the same formation, or with the same players. Get it in your heads ffs!

 

[tRiKS]

modric won't be played in a defensive position

 

[Rocksuperstar]

It makes no sense to play Modric in the DM posi... oh, hang on, this is Spurs, isn't it? When was the last time we played someone in their natural position? :think:

We've had Teemu play pretty much everywhere, except in that central role (the only two occasions we DID play him there, he excelled and had the best the Woolwich and Chelsea could put out firmly in his pocket), Zokora has played left of the middle and central defender, JJ played RB (if my memory serves) late in one game, Huddlestone has also slotted in to patch up the defence... Yeah, why not, Modric as DM it is! :up: Actually, whilst were putting abnormally tiny people in innapropriate roles, what's he like when he tugs on the gloves? :think:

lololololol

Dude, please, have some pride - use a :lol: - next thing you know, you'll wake up and find you posted an OMGWTFBBCITVBBQFBI!!!"!!"112!!!eleventynine"!"!"!! then your soul will belong to the mods, to do with what they will...

*offers a nod towards Bill, clutching the gimp mask and rim-clamp*